Kennedy: Barred from Communion

One of the Libtard Icons, if not their Saint-in-Chief, i.e., the Chappaquidick Murderer shouldn't be denied ONLY some grape juice and a flimsy fake cookie.

This Delusional Libnut Scourge of Rational Politics should be denied freedom and should be rotting in jail instead of making an ass of himself in the Senate of the United States of America.......DESTROYING America.
 
One of the Libtard Icons, if not their Saint-in-Chief, i.e., the Chappaquidick Murderer shouldn't be denied ONLY some grape juice and a flimsy fake cookie.


:lol: :rolleyes:

Ted Kennedy had a Catholic Funeral, so go figure!





"Most of Teddy Kennedy's politics, and most of whatever parts of his personal life I knew through the media, angered and sometimes even disgusted me. But my opinions about Teddy's legacy are not at issue in assessing his right to a Catholic funeral under canon law. I trust that my writings on the proper understanding and correct application of 1983 CIC 1184 (the canon regulating the funeral rites to be accorded - - or not, as the case may be - - to Catholics) are reasonably well-known to readers of this blog.* So let's move directly to the canonical question of Kennedy's funeral.

"Now, any man with a 100% rating from NARAL (to highlight just the tip of the iceberg of Teddy's decades-long campaign against natural rights) has, to put it mildly, the burden of proof in seeking a Catholic funeral (okay, technically, his executors have the burden of proof, but you see the point) in that notorious pro-aborts seem to be "manifest sinners who cannot be granted ecclesiastical funerals without public scandal of the faithful."

"Unless, that is, "they gave some sign of repentance before death."
And there is at least some evidence that Ted Kennedy did just that.

"Mark Leibovich of the New York Times notes that, among things, "The Rev. Mark Hession, the priest at the Kennedys' parish on the Cape, made regular visits to the Kennedy home this summer and held a private family Mass in the living room every Sunday. Even in his final days, Mr. Kennedy led the family in prayer after the death of his sister Eunice . . . [and when] the senator's condition took a turn Tuesday night a priest, the Rev. Patrick Tarrant of Our Lady of Victory Church in Centerville, was called to his bedside."

"Folks, my reading of the canonical tradition behind Canon 1184** says that those actions suffice as "some signs of repentance", making Ted Kennedy eligible for a Catholic funeral. Of course I wish that Teddy's repentance, if that is what it was, had been more explicit, for the scandal the man left was enormous and demanded great atonement in this life (or more dreadfully in the next). But on the narrow question as to whether Edward Kennedy is eligible for a Catholic funeral, the information before me suggests that he is, and that a bishop who permits such rites can find support in the Code of Canon Law for his decision.

"Now, about President Obama giving a eulogy thereat, don't even get me started."
On a 'A Catholic Funeral for Ted Kennedy?' - Catholic Online



FWIW, I don't believe for a second that Ted Kennedy would have changed his public pro-choice stance if by some miracle he didn't die of brain cancer, but the Catholic Church apparently works in mysterious ways.
 
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One of the Libtard Icons, if not their Saint-in-Chief, i.e., the Chappaquidick Murderer shouldn't be denied ONLY some grape juice and a flimsy fake cookie.

This Delusional Libnut Scourge of Rational Politics should be denied freedom and should be rotting in jail instead of making an ass of himself in the Senate of the United States of America.......DESTROYING America.

Wow, right on cue...LOL!

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One of the Libtard Icons, if not their Saint-in-Chief, i.e., the Chappaquidick Murderer shouldn't be denied ONLY some grape juice and a flimsy fake cookie.

Funny, in a Catholic Church we don't have "grape juice" and "flimsy fake cookie".

Try real wine and the body of Christ.

What you know about Catholicsm you could put in a thimble .... and still have room for a FULL JUG of wine. :rolleyes:

This Delusional Libnut Scourge of Rational Politics should be denied freedom and should be rotting in jail instead of making an ass of himself in the Senate of the United States of America.......DESTROYING America.

Ted Kennedy is rotting alright....in his grave.

He is also likely stalled in Limbo for a good long time. If he hasn't been sent to Hell by the Almighty for many of the horrible things he did while alive. Only God can judge this.

For whatever reason, the Roman Catholic Church allowed Ted Kennedy a Catholic funeral.

Funeral Rites are normally only accorded to Catholics in good standing (which I don't understand how Kennedy could have been in good standing at his death, unless he had a death bed Confessional, which is completely confidential and we will never know about unless someone involved blabs).

Again, this is not for us to judge. It is between God, the Priest and Mr. Kennedy, according to the Catholic faith.
 
One of the Libtard Icons, if not their Saint-in-Chief, i.e., the Chappaquidick Murderer shouldn't be denied ONLY some grape juice and a flimsy fake cookie.

This Delusional Libnut Scourge of Rational Politics should be denied freedom and should be rotting in jail instead of making an ass of himself in the Senate of the United States of America.......DESTROYING America.
A little slow on the news perhaps?

News flash gautama: Ted is dead.
 
For those who remain in WILLFUL ignorance, I (again) re-post Bishop Tobin's public statement.

This statement was issued AFTER Congressman Kennedy went public with this standing in the Roman Catholic Church.

NOT the other way around. Bishop Tobin CONFIDENTIALLY conducted Pastoral Counseling with Congressman Kennedy.

Kennedy himself broke that Confidentiality!!!!


http://www.wpri.com/dpp/news/local_wpri_bishop_tobin_responds_to_kennedy_20091122


Statement of Bishop Thomas Tobin in Response to Congressman Patrick Kennedy's Published Interview of November 22, 2009.

I am disappointed and really surprised that Congressman Patrick Kennedy has chosen to reopen the public discussion about his practice of the faith and his reception of Holy Communion. This comes almost two weeks after the Congressman indicated to local media that he would no longer comment publicly on his faith or his relationship with the Catholic Church. The Congressman's public comments require me to reply.

On February 21, 2007, I wrote to Congressman Kennedy stating: "In light of the Church's clear teaching, and your consistent actions, therefore, I believe it is inappropriate for you to be receiving Holy Communion and I now ask respectfully that you refrain from doing so." My request came in light of the new statement of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops that said, "If a Catholic in his or her personal or professional life were knowingly and obstinately to repudiate her definite teachings on moral issues, he or she would seriously diminish his or her communion with the Church. Reception of Holy Communion in such a situation would not accord with the nature of the Eucharistic celebration, so that he or she should refrain." (Happy Are Those Who Are Called to His Supper, December, 2006)

In the same letter I wrote to Congressman Kennedy, "I am writing to you personally and confidentially as a pastor addressing a member of his flock . . . At the present time I have no need or intention to make this a public issue." I also indicated, "I am available to discuss this matter with you in person at any mutually convenient time and place. I would welcome the opportunity to do so."

On February 28, 2007, the Congressman responded to me, "I have the utmost respect for the work you do on behalf of the Catholic community in Rhode Island. . . I understand your pastoral advice was confidential in nature and given with the best intentions for my personal spiritual welfare."

I am disappointed that the Congressman would make public my pastoral and confidential request of nearly three years ago that sought to provide solely for his spiritual well-being.

I have no desire to continue the discussion of Congressman Kennedy's spiritual life in public. At the same time, I will absolutely respond publicly and strongly whenever he attacks the Catholic Church, misrepresents the teachings of the Church, or issues inaccurate statements about my pastoral ministry.


As I wrote to the Congressman in February of 2007, and repeated in my public letter earlier this month, I am willing and even anxious to meet with him, to discuss these matters. My door remains open. However, it should be absolutely clear the Congressman himself has once again chosen to make this discussion a matter of public record.

In the meantime, I will continue to pray - sincerely and fervently - for his conversion and repentance, and for his personal and spiritual well-being. I wish him well.

Bishop Thomas Tobin
 
Yea, a great Senator who helped millions of Americans shouldn't be given a Christian burial...

The Lion Sleeps Tonight: Ted Kennedy Leaves Long, Impressive Legacy

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Kennedy championed many kinds of legislation over the years, much of it working to narrow inequalities and increase access to basic rights.

His family made the following statement:

Edward M. Kennedy — the husband, father, grandfather, brother and uncle we loved so deeply — died late Tuesday night at home in Hyannisport. We've lost the irreplaceable center of our family and joyous light in our lives, but the inspiration of his faith, optimism, and perseverance will live on in our hearts forever. We thank everyone who gave him care and support over this last year, and everyone who stood with him for so many years in his tireless march for progress toward justice, fairness and opportunity for all. He loved this country and devoted his life to serving it. He always believed that our best days were still ahead, but it's hard to imagine any of them without him.

Perhaps the saddest part about Kennedy's passing is that he has been both one of the most senior members of the Senate and one that worked to pass some of the most important legislation that has made America great. Without him, I fear that the legislative work on behalf of those most in need will suffer without him.

We've gathered a sampling of the work he has done for women and minorities. He accomplished much in his lifetime, but some of the work he started remains unfinished. The list is by no means comprehensive, but is meant to serve as a tribute to his work in public service.

Gender Equity: Kennedy saw the Senate of the Equal Rights Amendment in 1972, which aimed to make men and women equal in the constitution. He reintroduced the legislation again this congressional session, but it has yet to make it into the constitution.

Kennedy championed Title IX of the Civil Rights Act in 1972, which prevented educational institutions from discriminating against women (afterward, colleges and universities integrated, paving the way for women like Sonia Sotomayor and Hillary Clinton to attend Ivy League institutions), as well as requiring equitable athletic opportunities.

Civil Rights: Kennedy saw the passage of the Civil Rights Restoration Act of 1988 as committee chairman, which strengthened the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Afterward, then-executive director of the Leadership Council on Civil Rights Ralph Neas said, "Now you see what happens when you have a civil rights champion in charge of the committee."

He was also chief sponsor on the Civil Rights Act of 1991, which addressed intentional discrimination and harassment in the workplace. He was also a key sponsor of legislation by the same name in 2008, which sought to restore civil rights protections stripped by Supreme Court rulings in recent years (like the Lilly Ledbetter case).

Pay Equity: Kennedy worked on the Fair Pay Restoration Act, which sought to restore the rights of women to sue with each discriminatory paycheck, overturning the Supreme Court ruling in Ledbetter v. Goodyear.

Voting Rights: Kennedy worked on the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which allowed equal access to voting as part of the Civil Rights movement. He also worked to add amendments in 1982 that expanded voting access to Native Americans, Latinos, and others who required language assistance.

Affirmative Action: Kennedy helped defeat legislation that would have ended federal affirmative action in 1998 and joined his colleagues in the Senate in filing a brief urging the Supreme Court to uphold affirmative action in 2003.

LGBT Rights: Kennedy has been the chief sponsor of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act since 1994, which would make it illegal to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation in the workplace. The bill has yet to pass.

Hate Crimes: Kennedy worked on the Matthew Shepard Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act in 2007, which would implement more severe penalties for crimes against women, gays, lesbians, and transgender persons. The bill was vetoed by President Bush in 2007, but the legislation has been reintroduced in the 110th Congress.

HIV/AIDS: Kennedy introduced what became the Ryan White CARE Act, which addressed thirteen cities hit hardest by the HIV/AIDS crisis in 1990. When it was up for reauthorization in 2000, it provided nearly $9 billion in HIV/AIDS services over the following five years.

Domestic Violence: Kennedy worked with Vice President Joe Biden on the 1994 Violence Against Women Act. He also worked on its reauthorization in 2000, which allowed immigrant women to apply for permanent status in the United States without their abusive partners.

Disability Equity: Kennedy worked to pass the Americans with Disabilities Act in 1990, which provided much-needed accommodations for those with disabilities.

Minimum Wage: Kennedy worked with Congress in 2007 to pass the first hike in the minimum wage in more than a decade. Women disproportionately make up the population low-wage hourly workers.

Women in Combat: Kennedy championed the repeal a ban of women in combat in 1991. Women are still technically barred from fighting on the "front lines," such stipulations are meaningless in modern combat. By working for legislation that repealed archaic legislation, Kennedy helped women achieve more equality in the military.

Military Child Care: In 1989, Kennedy saw the passage of the National Military Child Care Act, which established the Department of Defense's child care program. This allowed working spouses of military members and women who were enlisted themselves to have access to high-quality, federally funded child care.

Health Insurance for Children and Pregnant Women
: In 1997, Kennedy co-sponsored the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), allowing families to have access to health care that previously didn't. Kennedy also introduced legislation that has yet to pass, Affordable Health Care Act, which would expand Medicaid and SCHIP coverage for children, pregnant women, and the disabled.

He saw the passage of the Pregnancy Discrimination Act in 1978, which made it illegal for employers to fire women for leave taken due to pregnancy. We still don't require employers to provide paid maternity leave.

Minority Health Care: Kennedy championed the The Minority Health and Health Disparities Research and Education Act in 2000, which provided funding for research for how to reduce disparities in cancer, heart disease, HIV/AIDS, diabetes, and other severe health problems that are found to be significantly higher in minority populations. In 2006, he introduced the Minority Health Improvement and Health Disparity Elimination Act, which would address inequalities in health care access and treatment if passed.

The Inclusion of Women in Scientific and Medical Research
: Kennedy co-sponsored the NIH Revitalization Act of 1993, legislation that called for the inclusion of women and minorities in federally funded clinical research.
 
Personally, I think the Church is way out of line here.

You're kidding. It's the CATHOLIC church.
I'm not kidding. If a bishop or priest decides to deny a parishioner communion because they are a politician who can effect policy on abortion, that seems to be in line with the Pope's specific orders on this particular tenet. However, this decision is between the priest and that parishioner, only. It is a private matter. By making it public, the bishop has politicized Catholicism and I think that is way out of line. I'm a Roman Catholic, but it does not mean I defend the Church when I think it is out of line.

Kennedy made it public, not the Bishop.

The feud escalated after Kennedy told The Providence Journal in a story published Sunday that Tobin instructed him not to receive Communion. Kennedy also claimed the bishop had told diocesan priests not to give him communion, an allegation that Tobin denied.

Rep. Kennedy: I’m barred from communion - Faith- msnbc.com
 
CaféAuLait;1744625 said:
You're kidding. It's the CATHOLIC church.
I'm not kidding. If a bishop or priest decides to deny a parishioner communion because they are a politician who can effect policy on abortion, that seems to be in line with the Pope's specific orders on this particular tenet. However, this decision is between the priest and that parishioner, only. It is a private matter. By making it public, the bishop has politicized Catholicism and I think that is way out of line. I'm a Roman Catholic, but it does not mean I defend the Church when I think it is out of line.

Kennedy made it public, not the Bishop.

The feud escalated after Kennedy told The Providence Journal in a story published Sunday that Tobin instructed him not to receive Communion. Kennedy also claimed the bishop had told diocesan priests not to give him communion, an allegation that Tobin denied.

Rep. Kennedy: I’m barred from communion - Faith- msnbc.com
Gee, you're kidding? :rolleyes:






Is this a normal thing for USMB posters not to read threads in which they choose to participate?

It makes them look really, really stooooooopid.
 
Why this hasn't happened to more Kennedys over the years, I'll never know.

It's amazing that they actually think they can receive the sacrament while openly ADVOCATING and campaigning for abortion rights.

"WASHINGTON — Providence Bishop Thomas J. Tobin has forbidden Rep. Patrick J. Kennedy to receive the Roman Catholic sacrament of Holy Communion because of his advocacy of abortion rights, the Rhode Island Democrat said Friday.

“The bishop instructed me not to take Communion and said that he has instructed the diocesan priests not to give me Communion,” Kennedy said in a telephone interview.

Kennedy said the bishop had explained the penalty by telling him “that I am not a good practicing Catholic because of the positions that I’ve taken as a public official,” particularly on abortion. He declined to say when or how Bishop Tobin told him not to take the sacrament. And he declined to say whether he has obeyed the bishop’s injunction."

Kennedy: Barred from Communion | John Mulligan | projo.com | The Providence Journal

Good! Well done.

As an Irish-Catholic American I think the Kennedy's should have been barred years ago from partaking in Communion.

But that's just MHO. I'm not a Bishop or Archbishop and I don't play one on TV either.

Besides---I'm a girl. I can't be one. ;)


I thought you were under 18 all along.

As for the Kennedys, they ought to do what my family did 3 generations ago and leave the Catholic Church. They don't need to be around those who support and hide child molesters anyways.
 
Funny, in a Catholic Church we don't have "grape juice" and "flimsy fake cookie".

Try real wine and the body of Christ.
That would make you a cannibal. Also, isn't the wine supposed to be the blood of Christ? You need to get your delusions straight.
Ted Kennedy is rotting alright....in his grave.

He is also likely stalled in Limbo for a good long time. If he hasn't been sent to Hell by the Almighty for many of the horrible things he did while alive. Only God can judge this.
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Again, this is not for us to judge. It is between God, the Priest and Mr. Kennedy, according to the Catholic faith.
TFF!!!!! Yeah, that's what I would call being non judgmental. :cuckoo:
 
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One of the Libtard Icons, if not their Saint-in-Chief, i.e., the Chappaquidick Murderer shouldn't be denied ONLY some grape juice and a flimsy fake cookie.


:lol: :rolleyes:

Ted Kennedy had a Catholic Funeral, so go figure!





"Most of Teddy Kennedy's politics, and most of whatever parts of his personal life I knew through the media, angered and sometimes even disgusted me. But my opinions about Teddy's legacy are not at issue in assessing his right to a Catholic funeral under canon law. I trust that my writings on the proper understanding and correct application of 1983 CIC 1184 (the canon regulating the funeral rites to be accorded - - or not, as the case may be - - to Catholics) are reasonably well-known to readers of this blog.* So let's move directly to the canonical question of Kennedy's funeral.

"Now, any man with a 100% rating from NARAL (to highlight just the tip of the iceberg of Teddy's decades-long campaign against natural rights) has, to put it mildly, the burden of proof in seeking a Catholic funeral (okay, technically, his executors have the burden of proof, but you see the point) in that notorious pro-aborts seem to be "manifest sinners who cannot be granted ecclesiastical funerals without public scandal of the faithful."

"Unless, that is, "they gave some sign of repentance before death."
And there is at least some evidence that Ted Kennedy did just that.

"Mark Leibovich of the New York Times notes that, among things, "The Rev. Mark Hession, the priest at the Kennedys' parish on the Cape, made regular visits to the Kennedy home this summer and held a private family Mass in the living room every Sunday. Even in his final days, Mr. Kennedy led the family in prayer after the death of his sister Eunice . . . [and when] the senator's condition took a turn Tuesday night a priest, the Rev. Patrick Tarrant of Our Lady of Victory Church in Centerville, was called to his bedside."

"Folks, my reading of the canonical tradition behind Canon 1184** says that those actions suffice as "some signs of repentance", making Ted Kennedy eligible for a Catholic funeral. Of course I wish that Teddy's repentance, if that is what it was, had been more explicit, for the scandal the man left was enormous and demanded great atonement in this life (or more dreadfully in the next). But on the narrow question as to whether Edward Kennedy is eligible for a Catholic funeral, the information before me suggests that he is, and that a bishop who permits such rites can find support in the Code of Canon Law for his decision.

"Now, about President Obama giving a eulogy thereat, don't even get me started."
On a 'A Catholic Funeral for Ted Kennedy?' - Catholic Online



FWIW, I don't believe for a second that Ted Kennedy would have changed his public pro-choice stance if by some miracle he didn't die of brain cancer, but the Catholic Church apparently works in mysterious ways.
Thanks for the quote, Valerie.
The author states:
"Unless, that is, "they gave some sign of repentance before death." And there is at least some evidence that Ted Kennedy did just that.

:lol::lol::lol:
I wonder what that evidence is supposed to be? The Virgin Mary's silhouette appearing on a slice of toast?
I highly doubt Ted Kennedy did an about face on his deathbed. But those who feel the need to rationalize the Catholic Church's hypocrisy will cling to the fantasy that he did.
They gave him a Catholic funeral because if they had refused to do so, Catholics would have been in an uproar and they would have lost even more followers.

The last Catholic funeral mass I attended was for a bigamist who had been openly married to two women for something like 35 years. He was quite proud of it too. he had 5 kids with each wife. The priest praised him to high heaven. All because he ran a benevolent association that raised money for the church.
 
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CaféAuLait;1744625 said:
I'm not kidding. If a bishop or priest decides to deny a parishioner communion because they are a politician who can effect policy on abortion, that seems to be in line with the Pope's specific orders on this particular tenet. However, this decision is between the priest and that parishioner, only. It is a private matter. By making it public, the bishop has politicized Catholicism and I think that is way out of line. I'm a Roman Catholic, but it does not mean I defend the Church when I think it is out of line.

Kennedy made it public, not the Bishop.

The feud escalated after Kennedy told The Providence Journal in a story published Sunday that Tobin instructed him not to receive Communion. Kennedy also claimed the bishop had told diocesan priests not to give him communion, an allegation that Tobin denied.

Rep. Kennedy: I̢۪m barred from communion - Faith- msnbc.com
Gee, you're kidding? :rolleyes:






Is this a normal thing for USMB posters not to read threads in which they choose to participate?

It makes them look really, really stooooooopid.

Quite obviously I was reading-- seems as YOU did not read to have made that statement, I quoted, eh?

While reading somehow my computer or user error I suppose, I just realized that I inadvertently hit page three and someone skipped page 2 where you admit your error in not reading the facts.
 
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CaféAuLait;1744920 said:
CaféAuLait;1744625 said:
Gee, you're kidding? :rolleyes:






Is this a normal thing for USMB posters not to read threads in which they choose to participate?

It makes them look really, really stooooooopid.

Quite obviously I was reading-- seems as YOU did not read to have made that statement, I quoted, eh?

While reading somehow my computer or user error I suppose, I just realized that I inadvertently hit page three and someone skipped page 2 where you admit your error in not reading the facts.
The best of us can make mistakes. ;) I apologize for my 'stupid' comment.
 
Why this hasn't happened to more Kennedys over the years, I'll never know.

It's amazing that they actually think they can receive the sacrament while openly ADVOCATING and campaigning for abortion rights.

"WASHINGTON — Providence Bishop Thomas J. Tobin has forbidden Rep. Patrick J. Kennedy to receive the Roman Catholic sacrament of Holy Communion because of his advocacy of abortion rights, the Rhode Island Democrat said Friday.

“The bishop instructed me not to take Communion and said that he has instructed the diocesan priests not to give me Communion,” Kennedy said in a telephone interview.

Kennedy said the bishop had explained the penalty by telling him “that I am not a good practicing Catholic because of the positions that I’ve taken as a public official,” particularly on abortion. He declined to say when or how Bishop Tobin told him not to take the sacrament. And he declined to say whether he has obeyed the bishop’s injunction."

Kennedy: Barred from Communion | John Mulligan | projo.com | The Providence Journal

Good! Well done.

As an Irish-Catholic American I think the Kennedy's should have been barred years ago from partaking in Communion.

But that's just MHO. I'm not a Bishop or Archbishop and I don't play one on TV either.

Besides---I'm a girl. I can't be one. ;)

I am sure there is plenty, had you been honest and confessed it, that would have gotten you barred, too, LOL....

Among other things as an Irish Catholic American, you are a supporter of terrorists!

Just because they now have an unlisted number doesn't mean they aren't still in it, as well as all those Irishers in the US of A who have and continue to contribute!
 
CaféAuLait;1744625 said:
I'm not kidding. If a bishop or priest decides to deny a parishioner communion because they are a politician who can effect policy on abortion, that seems to be in line with the Pope's specific orders on this particular tenet. However, this decision is between the priest and that parishioner, only. It is a private matter. By making it public, the bishop has politicized Catholicism and I think that is way out of line. I'm a Roman Catholic, but it does not mean I defend the Church when I think it is out of line.

Kennedy made it public, not the Bishop.

The feud escalated after Kennedy told The Providence Journal in a story published Sunday that Tobin instructed him not to receive Communion. Kennedy also claimed the bishop had told diocesan priests not to give him communion, an allegation that Tobin denied.
Rep. Kennedy: I’m barred from communion - Faith- msnbc.com
Gee, you're kidding? :rolleyes:






Is this a normal thing for USMB posters not to read threads in which they choose to participate?

It makes them look really, really stooooooopid.
Yes.
 
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