Karpinski sais she would testify Rummy odered torture

No I do not KNOW IT!

Prove it?

It looks like to me you have two names and I have about a dozen so far and I am just warming up.

The Travel Office

During the 1992 election campaign, the Clintons used an Arkansas travel agency, World Wide Travel (working with Clinton's cousin Catherine Cornelius). The firm had provided a million dollars in deferred (fly now- pay later) travel for the Clinton campaign, freeing up much needed cash for campaigning. Employees of the firm donated to the Clinton campaign. The apparent pay-back to the firm -- apparently supervised by Mrs. Clinton -- resulted not only in the firing of White House employees without cause but also in false accusations against Billy Dale (who had worked in the White House for 30 years and for 8 presidents), ending in a criminal trial in which the jury quickly acquitted Dale.

The replacement of the White House Travel Office occurred without competitive bid. The fired employees were given no warning. In fact, when they returned to clean out their desks, they found the offices already occupied, and they were escorted from the premises in a windowless van.

The supposed investigation against the Travel Office improprieties was headed by Catherine Cornelius even as she was planning with World Wide Travel for a reorganization which would put her in charge of the department.

Evidence of Hillary's involvement:

While Hillary claimed not to be involved in the firing, the following information exists:

"periodic reports from Vince Foster that [the] First Lady had inquired about [the] Travel Office and why wasn't action being taken_report was that they should be fired immediately and out of here by the end of the day."
-- Subpoenaed notes of David Watkins.

"went to Mac . . . Hillary wants these people fired . . . Mac wouldn't do it ... DW [David Watkins] didn't want to do it."
-- Lorraine Voles, deputy Press Secretary, noted that she had heard Susan Thomases say.

"Thomason comes back in DW's [office]_says he bumped into Hillary and she's ready to fire them all that day.''
-- Mr. Watkins' contemporaneous handwritten notes detail a conversation that he had with Harry Thomason.

"Harry says his people can run things better; save money, etc. And besides we need those people out_we need our people in_We need the slots_ . . . Is the real story to be told?''
-- David Watkins notes of a conversation with the First Lady on May 14, 1993.

Excepts from House Oversight Committee Report:

The full report can be found on: http://www.house.gov/reform/reports/whiteh.htm

Report Summary:
Travelgate is a story about the failure of the Clinton White House to live up to the ethical standards expected of the highest office in the land. The wrongdoing of this administration lies not in the firings of the seven Travel Office employees. They served at the pleasure of the President. If the President chose to fire them to reward political cronies, that was his prerogative.

Rather, the wrongdoing occurred after the firings. It resulted from a desire to hide the truth about who actually fired them and why. The committee spent 3 1/2 years investigating not just who fired them and why, but the wrongdoing that followed. The resulting mosaic pieced together from the facts uncovered reveals the answers the White House refused to disclose. In the end, the actions of the Clinton administration following the firings may have a lasting and damaging impact on the Office of the Presidency.

The committee has found that the motive for the firings was political cronyism: the President sought to reward his friend, Harry Thomason, with the spoils of the White House travel business. A pretext for the firings was created, and the trigger was pulled.

When the public reacted to the firing with outrage, the roles of the President, First Lady and Thomason were minimized as the White House staff engaged in a colossal damage-control effort. First, it had to portray the victims of the firings as the wrongdoers. This was achieved by White House officials unleashing the full powers of the Federal Government against the seven former workers. The extraordinary might of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Internal Revenue Service and the Department of Justice- not to mention the prestige of the White House itself -all were brought to bear. These actions constitute a gross abuse of the rights of seven American citizens and their families.

Second, an enormous and elaborate cover-up operation, housed in the White House Counsel's Office, sought to prevent numerous investigations from discovering not only the roles of who fired the workers and why, but also their efforts to persecute the victims. In the process…it obstructed and frustrated all investigations; it turned the Office of the White House Counsel into a political damage-control operation; it made frivolous claims of executive privilege; it abused its powers to smear innocent citizens; and most important, it failed to level with the American people.

http://gfreitag.tripod.com/Travelgate.html
 
Where in there does it show anything about the Clintons savaging the guy?

Where in there does this guy come out and speak like a "disgruntled" employee?

Its a scandal that BTW lead to no charges against the president huh?
 
Where in there does it show anything about the Clintons savaging the guy?

Where in there does this guy come out and speak like a "disgruntled" employee?

Its a scandal that BTW lead to no charges against the president huh?

You are such an ass for ignoring the facts

Typical lib
 
Dude you proved nothing , Ill go get my unfinished list for you
 
Mark Fitzpatrick

John Oniel

Russel Tice

David Iglesias

Jessic Lynch

Stephen R Kappes

Michael Scheuer

Valrie Plame

Joe Wilson

Paul Oniel

Richard Clarke

Sibel Edmons

David Kay

George Tennant
 
BROKEN RECORD


did you need a link to the definition of FACT again, rsr? Im sure it is tough to remember with all those meds you take..

Ya, I am sure most of the Liberals on this board need the definition of Fact. Truthmatters being the worst offender of putting up pure opinion and unadulterated spin and then claiming over and over its fact.
 
Ya, I am sure most of the Liberals on this board need the definition of Fact. Truthmatters being the worst offender of putting up pure opinion and unadulterated spin and then claiming over and over its fact.

it doesn't really help your position at all to come running to defend RSR.

let him grow up and maybe he wont be such an easy lightening rod that burns up what credibility and validity your side has to offer.


DAILY rsr adds a sum total of nothing to this board.

try a little objectivity instead of simply rooting for the team.
 
it doesn't really help your position at all to come running to defend RSR.

let him grow up and maybe he wont be such an easy lightening rod that burns up what credibility and validity your side has to offer.


DAILY rsr adds a sum total of nothing to this board.

try a little objectivity instead of simply rooting for the team.

Remind me of all your attacks on Truthmatters for EXACTLY the same thing, but with a leftoid slant. Maybe link a few threads where you have called him to task?

And I am NOT defending RSR, YOU made a comment about FACTS. RSR is neither the only person that doesn't always follow through nor, in my opinion of late, the worst offender. You want your point to be taken seriously? Then YOU need to do what you are telling me to do.
 
Please go get the examples of me posting something and saying it was a fact when it wasnt?
 
Mark Fitzpatrick

John Oniel

Russel Tice

David Iglesias

Jessic Lynch

Stephen R Kappes

Michael Scheuer

Valrie Plame

Joe Wilson

Paul Oniel

Richard Clarke

Sibel Edmons

David Kay

George Tennant


These are people who have said things in puplic admonishing this admin and were called "disgruntled employees".

What part of that is not fact?
 
It is a fact that Plame was covert.

You not wanting to accept a fact the the Courts, the President ,The CIA and every other sane person in the world accepts is your problem not mine.
 
It is a fact that Plame was covert.

You not wanting to accept a fact the the Courts, the President ,The CIA and every other sane person in the world accepts is your problem not mine.

Heh. You're delusional. The Courts haven't ruled on her status, and everything else is just opinion. No facts yet. Although there should be some interesting stuff presented at Libby's hearing in the DC Court of Appeals. Stay tuned and keep an open mind, young apprentice.

ADDED: I don't want to side-track the discussion here, just thought I'd pop in and put that jab in. We'll continue that discussion in its own thread as the Plame-fable unfolds. Back to the topic at hand.
 
it doesn't really help your position at all to come running to defend RSR.

let him grow up and maybe he wont be such an easy lightening rod that burns up what credibility and validity your side has to offer.


DAILY rsr adds a sum total of nothing to this board.

try a little objectivity instead of simply rooting for the team.

For someone you claim does not contribute anything - you respond to alot of his posts
 
Remind me of all your attacks on Truthmatters for EXACTLY the same thing, but with a leftoid slant. Maybe link a few threads where you have called him to task?

And I am NOT defending RSR, YOU made a comment about FACTS. RSR is neither the only person that doesn't always follow through nor, in my opinion of late, the worst offender. You want your point to be taken seriously? Then YOU need to do what you are telling me to do.



I have no alliegence to Truthmatters. I wouldn't come a running to the aid of TM just because he was getting fucked with by the likes of you. Perhaps you can link to where I HAVE done something even REMOTELY close to such...
unlike how you seem to be two steps behind RSR as if you were his big brother. Such is the case in at least three threads ive seen so far today.

or, perhaps you can take a look at your own behaviour without trying to project your own behaviour onto someone else when we all know damn well that the only thing RSR adds to this board is the dogshit that he tracks in daily.

do you want links to threads that IVE posted facts in (you know, beyond the newsmax circle jerk of the day) then just say the word.
 
For someone you claim does not contribute anything - you respond to alot of his posts


Trolls need to be exterminated before they turn a messageboard into their personal shit pile. You, sir, are a fucking troll who thrives on generalizations and really ads nothing at all besides a farcical example of extreme political vitriol. I feel sorry for your parents.
 
Heh. You're delusional. The Courts haven't ruled on her status, and everything else is just opinion. No facts yet. Although there should be some interesting stuff presented at Libby's hearing in the DC Court of Appeals. Stay tuned and keep an open mind, young apprentice.


what could possibly be presented as evidence in an appeal that would surprise us cocky? i didn't think appeals courts were involved in evidence, but in technicalities of sorts?

u can answer in the other thread.....i just caught your ADDED part.... oops
 
what could possibly be presented as evidence in an appeal that would surprise us cocky? i didn't think appeals courts were involved in evidence, but in technicalities of sorts?

u can answer in the other thread.....i just caught your ADDED part.... oops

If she was "covert" was was nobody charged?

She was not covert according to the law
 

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