Justice Department ordered to answer for Jan. 6 killing of Ashli Babbitt

[JoeB131]

No difference between Ashli Babbit and Michael Brown.

Except Michael Brown had his hands up and wasn't a threat at the moment he was murdered.

Ass-hat Babbit was a threat, because she was part of an angry mob trying to kill Congress.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Except Michael Brown had his hands up and wasn't a threat at the moment he was murdered.

Ass-hat Babbit was a threat, because she was part of an angry mob trying to kill Congress.

Michael Brown did not have his hands up. After using his hands to rough up a brown immigrant, he went after an arresting officer’s service revolver during arrest. “Hands up don’t shoot” is a mantra that everyone should live by.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/03/19/hands-up-dont-shoot-did-not-happen-in-ferguson/

 

[Superbadbrutha]

No difference between Ashli Babbit and Michael Brown.

I can respect that opinion.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

1-16.000 - Department of Justice Policy On Use Of Force

www.justice.gov

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There was no imminent danger to the officers as no weapon was ever seen in the hands of Babbitt. Now, if Byrd had seen a weapon, and she tried to get through the window and he shot her, that would be a different story.



No, that’s not what I’m saying. There is a time and a place for deadly force, that time is when there is an imminent danger of death or serious injury. At the time, babbit didn’t represent an imminent danger, as she wasn’t holding a weapon.

Other measures should have been employed long before it got to the point of needing to discharge a firearm.

Nobody else was shot that day, despite violence breaking out at multiple places and officers even skirmishing with protesters. They all used other measures to fight the riot.

So folks trying to break into Congressional Chambers is not considered as an imminent danger or threat?

 

[Skylar]

1-16.000 - Department of Justice Policy On Use Of Force

www.justice.gov

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There was no imminent danger to the officers as no weapon was ever seen in the hands of Babbitt. Now, if Byrd had seen a weapon, and she tried to get through the window and he shot her, that would be a different story.



No, that’s not what I’m saying. There is a time and a place for deadly force, that time is when there is an imminent danger of death or serious injury. At the time, babbit didn’t represent an imminent danger, as she wasn’t holding a weapon.

Other measures should have been employed long before it got to the point of needing to discharge a firearm.

Nobody else was shot that day, despite violence breaking out at multiple places and officers even skirmishing with protesters. They all used other measures to fight the riot.

A screaming crowd of rioters violently smashing their way through barriers to get their hands on members of congress, some of which were trapped on the balcony, would most definitely qualify as an imminent threat in the books of rational people.

This isn't going anywhere.

 

[WorldWatcher]

This isn't going anywhere.

When the case is thrown out, they will just claim it was “rigged”.

On the other hand Lt. Byrd was a Capital Police officer so not such why the DOJ is involved. The Capital Police report to Congress.

WW

 

[WEATHER53]

Ordered
Murder deflection ending soon.

 

[drudge X]

Except Michael Brown had his hands up and wasn't a threat at the moment he was murdered.

Ass-hat Babbit was a threat, because she was part of an angry mob trying to kill Congress.

HAHAHAHA... Brown has his hands up.

You do know that even black witnesses who interviewed by the DOJ, lead by a black person with a black president appointing him, said that's bullshit.

 

[Skylar]

When the case is thrown out, they will just claim it was “rigged”.

On the other hand Lt. Byrd was a Capital Police officer so not such why the DOJ is involved. The Capital Police report to Congress.

WW

It was filed outside the statute for tort claims under federal law.

 

[JoeB131]

Michael Brown did not have his hands up. After using his hands to rough up a brown immigrant, he went after an arresting officer’s service revolver during arrest. “Hands up don’t shoot” is a mantra that everyone should live by.

You leave out the part where he ran away from the officer, the officer fired at him while he was running away, and when he put his hands up, the cop shot him six more times because he was pissed.

HAHAHAHA... Brown has his hands up.

You do know that even black witnesses who interviewed by the DOJ, lead by a black person with a black president appointing him, said that's bullshit.

Actually, nothing of the sort happened. THe DOJ just copied the local field report.

 

[ThisIsMe]

This is where you are ignoring context.

Yes Babbitt as the lead actor broaching the last law enforcement barricade prior to a violent mob having access to the House Chamber, in the context of being at the lead of a riotous mob - * * DID * * represent a clear and present danger of death or serious bodily injury to the law enforcement officer * * OR * * others.

That standard is * * NOT * * "holding a weapon" the standard is death or serious bodily injury which as the lead attacker of the mob, the mob did have such violent potential and the mob * * DID * * have weapons including improvised melee weapons (poles, helmets and shields they ripped from police, etc.).

You are just flat out incorrect, Babbitt could and did represent an imminent danger in the context of the day, i.e. leading a violent mob into the House Chamber.

WW

So, we’re just going to keep going round and round about this. I say that other methods should have been employed, such as tear gas, you disagree and think it’s justified to go straight for the kill.

Ok, we disagree.

However, so, just so we’re all straight, if you are acting in a threatening manner toward an officer, and are not holding a weapon, if you disobey his command, he has the right to kill you. In that where we are at?

You are saying that the police do not have to actually see a weapon, just that you are advancing on them and are threatening. They don’t have to tase you or anything, just pull out their gun and shoot to kill.

Is this your assessment?

 

[ThisIsMe]

So folks trying to break into Congressional Chambers is not considered as an imminent danger or threat?

“Folks” didn’t come through the window. 1 person did. Was she a threat of death or serious bodily injury? She was not seen with a weapon so, not at that point.

I’m not even saying the shooting was bad, IF they would have exhausted other measures first which they didn’t.


It wasn’t the door to the chamber. It was the door that lead to the corridor to the door of the chamber.

 

[ThisIsMe]

A screaming crowd of rioters violently smashing their way through barriers to get their hands on members of congress, some of which were trapped on the balcony, would most definitely qualify as an imminent threat in the books of rational people.

This isn't going anywhere.

It wasn’t a crowd it was 1 person that came through the window

You people seem to forget, im criticizing the fact that no other methods were used.

Had tear gas been tried and failed, then its a different story.

However, you all are teaching me a new lesson. I’m coming to realize that your version of justice doesn’t require any attempt at alternate methods. Just, if someone is threatening you….kill them.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

“Folks” didn’t come through the window. 1 person did. Was she a threat of death or serious bodily injury? She was not seen with a weapon so, not at that point.

I’m not even saying the shooting was bad, IF they would have exhausted other measures first which they didn’t.


It wasn’t the door to the chamber. It was the door that lead to the corridor to the door of the chamber.

She was in the wrong place at the wrong time, trying to break into an area that is prohibited.

 

[drudge X]

You leave out the part where he ran away from the officer, the officer fired at him while he was running away, and when he put his hands up, the cop shot him six more times because he was pissed.


Actually, nothing of the sort happened. THe DOJ just copied the local field report.

Holder was on scene. There were interviews.

What do the newly released witness statements tell us about the Michael Brown shooting?

We read more than 500 hundred pages of this witness testimony and compared each statement to the statement given by officer Wilson. Below is a chart comparing several key details of the officer’s report to the statements of the 24 witnesses. Was Michael Brown facing towards Officer Wilson, or...

www.pbs.org

 

[LeftofLeft]

You leave out the part where he ran away from the officer, the officer fired at him while he was running away, and when he put his hands up, the cop shot him six more times because he was pissed.

What validated source are you pulling from other than what lies between your ears? Does that source validate that Brown went for the officer’s gun?

Actually, nothing of the sort happened. THe DOJ just copied the local field report.

 

[JoeB131]

Holder was on scene. There were interviews.

What do the newly released witness statements tell us about the Michael Brown shooting?

We read more than 500 hundred pages of this witness testimony and compared each statement to the statement given by officer Wilson. Below is a chart comparing several key details of the officer’s report to the statements of the 24 witnesses. Was Michael Brown facing towards Officer Wilson, or...

www.pbs.org

Not sure why you are using the PBS Article, that indicates that 16 CREDIBLE witnesses saw Brown with his hands up when he was shot.

What validated source are you pulling from other than what lies between your ears? Does that source validate that Brown went for the officer’s gun?

It doesn't matter that he went for the gun or pushed Apu into the chip rack.

At the time he was fatally shot, he was stopped, had his hands up in the air, and was giving up.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Not sure why you are using the PBS Article, that indicates that 16 CREDIBLE witnesses saw Brown with his hands up when he was shot.



It doesn't matter that he went for the gun or pushed Apu into the chip rack.

At the time he was fatally shot, he was stopped, had his hands up in the air, and was giving up.

You have yet to to validate from a third party that he had his hands up and was saying “don’t shoot”. The right wing supremacists at the Washington Post disagree with you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/03/19/hands-up-dont-shoot-did-not-happen-in-ferguson/

 

[JoeB131]

You have yet to to validate from a third party that he had his hands up and was saying “don’t shoot”. The right wing supremacists at the Washington Post disagree with you.

You just posted a PBS article that where 16 witnesses said he had his hands up.

Sweet Evil Jesus, you people even read this stuff before you post them?

This is why I don't post links.. you guys don't even read your own links.

 

[LeftofLeft]

You just posted a PBS article that where 16 witnesses said he had his hands up.

Sweet Evil Jesus, you people even read this stuff before you post them?

This is why I don't post links.. you guys don't even read your own links.

16? There were fewer witnesses than that for George Floyd.