Just Another Big Fat Lie From The Media

[Beef_Supreme]

What kind of a non-human do you have to be to be joe biden........you steal an election and you pretend to be President......that kind of thinking is so alien to me.

Apparently, any kind of thinking is alien to you. Biden won the election. All you have are lies about election fraud.

He didn't win the election, they stole the election......

So, China wants you to defend biden now?

Poor baby. There is nothing I can do to help. You live in a fantasy world that you cannot escape. Either that or you are incapable of understanding what the courts, Trump’s own DOJ and investigation after investigation have found: no fraud.

According to Trump and many others they have found fraud.
The courts won’t hear any of the cases, they keep getting dismissed.
It seems more like courts don’t want to get involved in it.

 

[otto105]

Journalists in the MSM can make anything a person says sound like they're saying something totally different if they remove the context.
An hour long phone conversation was condensed down to two 5 second soundbites.....and taken out of context they then tell us what the president is discussing with the Georgia Secretary of State.

Trump had been trying for days to get in touch with this guy....and when he finally allowed his call to get thru the sneaky bastard (Raffensperger) set him up. Recording the conversation....and then turned it immediately over to journalists so they could make Trump sound guilty of some sort of crime.

But Trump never said anything about manufacturing fake votes. He said "Find Votes"....which isn't illegal....even tho the journalists at Fox News claimed it sounds bad.

But to clear everything up....here's exactly what Trump said. You decide:

The media are lying about Trump's phone call with Raffensperger

The mainstream media and Georgia's secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, are utterly disgraceful, dishonest, and manipulative people. Raffensperger released a private phone call that the media immediately claimed — falsely &mda...

www.americanthinker.com

January 4, 2021
The media are lying about Trump's phone call with Raffensperger

By Andrea Widburg


The mainstream media and Georgia's secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, are utterly disgraceful, dishonest, and manipulative people. Raffensperger released a private phone call that the media immediately claimed — falsely — showed Trump begging Raffensperger to fraudulently find enough votes for Trump to win. In fact, Trump called Raffensperger to get him to stop obstructing the fraud investigation. As Trump explained during the call, evidence proves Trump won Georgia by a massive margin, only to have victory stolen through equally massive fraud. Trump sought to avoid litigation forcing Raffensperger to do his job, which is to make at least a minimal effort to clear away enough fraud to allow Trump his actual and honest victory in Georgia.

First, Trump wasn't the only person on the phone. Also present were Mark Meadows, Mike Pompeo, and multiple attorneys. There isn't the slightest chance that they would have allowed Trump to beg Raffensperger for illegal votes or to threaten him.​

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Second, contrary to what the media implied, Trump was not operating off the premise that he lost Georgia. If that had been the case, it would indeed have been wrong for Trump to beg for Raffensperger to "find" votes for him.​

​

​

Instead, Trump was operating from the assertion that he won Georgia. He opened the call with a strong recitation of the facts showing massive fraud on Raffensperger's watch. According to Trump's evidence, he didn't lose by 11,780 votes; he won by well over 300,000 votes, including votes for Trump that disappeared and illegal votes for Biden. Here are some of Trump's statements in that regard:​

​

​

"I think it's pretty clear that we won. We won very substantially in Georgia."​

​

​

"We have ... anywhere from 250–300,000 ballots were dropped mysteriously into the rolls."​

​

​

"We think that if you check the signatures — a real check of the signatures going back in Fulton County you'll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures. ..."​

​

​

​

​

Trump alluded to the faked water main break that allowed Fulton County election workers to count votes for hours after having sent observers home. He noted that the video of that after-hours voting indicated that at "the minimum it was 18,000 ballots, all for Biden."​

​

​

Trump pointed to 4,925 illegal out-of-state voters, 2,326 absentee ballots from vacant addresses, 5,000 dead people voting, and improperly handled drop boxes. And he brought up the allegations that Georgia is shredding evidence as fast as it can.​

​

​

The bottom line, as Trump accurately said, is that these infractions were "many, many times the 11,779 margin [sic] that they said we lost by."​

​

​

Trump hammered over and over that he won the state. No matter how you look at it, he said he won, and he's got the evidence to prove it.​

​

​

At this point, Mark Meadows stated what Trump's team wanted — and it wasn't to fake votes for Trump. It was, instead, an honest investigation: "What I'm hopeful for is there some way that we can ... find some kind of agreement to look at this a little bit more fully." Thus, Meadows sought an agreement "that we can at least have a discussion to look at some of these allegations to find a path forward that's less litigious."​

Raffensperger pushed back, saying he'd already had to deal with lawsuits (ignoring that the courts refused to hear evidence). He also huffed that "we gave our state Senate about one and a half hours of our time going through the election issue by issue and then on the state House, the government affairs committee, we gave them about two and a half hours of our time, going back point by point on all the issues of contention. And then just a few days ago we met with our U.S. congressmen, Republican congressmen, and we gave them about two hours of our time talking about this past election."​

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Did you get that? The biggest election fraud claim in American history, the president on the phone, massive amounts of evidence, and Raffensperger whines that he's already given up six and a half hours of his time to the issue.​

​

​

Trump again chimes in to say, "We won the state." In response to Raffensperger's complaint that he sacrificed six and a half hours to the matter, Trump suggests that Raffensperger does not need to invest massive time in investigating all 300,000-plus problematic votes. He just needs to investigate 11,779 to give Trump his rightful victory. For, as Trump says, "Because, what's the difference between winning the election by two votes and winning it by half a million votes? I think I probably did win it by half a million."​

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When Raffensberger pushes back again, saying his office disproved the cemetery vote contention, Cleta Mitchell, a Trump attorney, makes an important point: Georgia has been withholding records from the White House.​

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Since voting was over two months ago where was the GA Sec. of State supposed to find them?

Just say you recalculated....Hey I need 11,000 votes, Give me a break man....

Find them by doing an honest audit of course.

You don't want an honest count. You want a bias count which has trump the winner.

Try a facts, not bias falsehoods.

 

[K9Buck]

Nah..because you have Trump nailing you in the ass, you think everyone bends over like yourself.

Perhaps with a little luck America will become the one-party, police-state, that you so desperately crave. We're certainly going in that direction.

 

[JLW]

What kind of a non-human do you have to be to be joe biden........you steal an election and you pretend to be President......that kind of thinking is so alien to me.

Apparently, any kind of thinking is alien to you. Biden won the election. All you have are lies about election fraud.

He didn't win the election, they stole the election......

So, China wants you to defend biden now?

Poor baby. There is nothing I can do to help. You live in a fantasy world that you cannot escape. Either that or you are incapable of understanding what the courts, Trump’s own DOJ and investigation after investigation have found: no fraud.

According to Trump and many others they have found fraud.
The courts won’t hear any of the cases, they keep getting dismissed.
It seems more like courts don’t want to get involved in it.

Wrong..Trump’s lawsuits never met their burden of proof.

 

[K9Buck]

You don't want an honest count. You want a bias count which has trump the winner.

You are the epitome of a FOOL.

 

[otto105]

There was no fraud. Trump’s own DOJ admitted as much.

The DOJ is a sad joke. It works for the DNC. Besides, they didn't investigate and, even if they did, they would cover any fraudulent results in order to insure that Joe Biden steals the election.

The DOJ has nothing to investigate.

Sycophant bill barr already stated that.

 

[otto105]

You don't want an honest count. You want a bias count which has trump the winner.

You are the epitome of a FOOL.

Try a mirror Buck.

You have no facts regarding massive vote fraud. You're just pissed that trump lost.

Move On.

 

[mudwhistle]

Journalists in the MSM can make anything a person says sound like they're saying something totally different if they remove the context.
An hour long phone conversation was condensed down to two 5 second soundbites.....and taken out of context they then tell us what the president is discussing with the Georgia Secretary of State.

Trump had been trying for days to get in touch with this guy....and when he finally allowed his call to get thru the sneaky bastard (Raffensperger) set him up. Recording the conversation....and then turned it immediately over to journalists so they could make Trump sound guilty of some sort of crime.

But Trump never said anything about manufacturing fake votes. He said "Find Votes"....which isn't illegal....even tho the journalists at Fox News claimed it sounds bad.

But to clear everything up....here's exactly what Trump said. You decide:

The media are lying about Trump's phone call with Raffensperger

The mainstream media and Georgia's secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, are utterly disgraceful, dishonest, and manipulative people. Raffensperger released a private phone call that the media immediately claimed — falsely &mda...

www.americanthinker.com

January 4, 2021
The media are lying about Trump's phone call with Raffensperger

By Andrea Widburg


The mainstream media and Georgia's secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, are utterly disgraceful, dishonest, and manipulative people. Raffensperger released a private phone call that the media immediately claimed — falsely — showed Trump begging Raffensperger to fraudulently find enough votes for Trump to win. In fact, Trump called Raffensperger to get him to stop obstructing the fraud investigation. As Trump explained during the call, evidence proves Trump won Georgia by a massive margin, only to have victory stolen through equally massive fraud. Trump sought to avoid litigation forcing Raffensperger to do his job, which is to make at least a minimal effort to clear away enough fraud to allow Trump his actual and honest victory in Georgia.

First, Trump wasn't the only person on the phone. Also present were Mark Meadows, Mike Pompeo, and multiple attorneys. There isn't the slightest chance that they would have allowed Trump to beg Raffensperger for illegal votes or to threaten him.​

​

​

Second, contrary to what the media implied, Trump was not operating off the premise that he lost Georgia. If that had been the case, it would indeed have been wrong for Trump to beg for Raffensperger to "find" votes for him.​

​

​

Instead, Trump was operating from the assertion that he won Georgia. He opened the call with a strong recitation of the facts showing massive fraud on Raffensperger's watch. According to Trump's evidence, he didn't lose by 11,780 votes; he won by well over 300,000 votes, including votes for Trump that disappeared and illegal votes for Biden. Here are some of Trump's statements in that regard:​

​

​

"I think it's pretty clear that we won. We won very substantially in Georgia."​

​

​

"We have ... anywhere from 250–300,000 ballots were dropped mysteriously into the rolls."​

​

​

"We think that if you check the signatures — a real check of the signatures going back in Fulton County you'll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures. ..."​

​

​

​

​

Trump alluded to the faked water main break that allowed Fulton County election workers to count votes for hours after having sent observers home. He noted that the video of that after-hours voting indicated that at "the minimum it was 18,000 ballots, all for Biden."​

​

​

Trump pointed to 4,925 illegal out-of-state voters, 2,326 absentee ballots from vacant addresses, 5,000 dead people voting, and improperly handled drop boxes. And he brought up the allegations that Georgia is shredding evidence as fast as it can.​

​

​

The bottom line, as Trump accurately said, is that these infractions were "many, many times the 11,779 margin [sic] that they said we lost by."​

​

​

Trump hammered over and over that he won the state. No matter how you look at it, he said he won, and he's got the evidence to prove it.​

​

​

At this point, Mark Meadows stated what Trump's team wanted — and it wasn't to fake votes for Trump. It was, instead, an honest investigation: "What I'm hopeful for is there some way that we can ... find some kind of agreement to look at this a little bit more fully." Thus, Meadows sought an agreement "that we can at least have a discussion to look at some of these allegations to find a path forward that's less litigious."​

Raffensperger pushed back, saying he'd already had to deal with lawsuits (ignoring that the courts refused to hear evidence). He also huffed that "we gave our state Senate about one and a half hours of our time going through the election issue by issue and then on the state House, the government affairs committee, we gave them about two and a half hours of our time, going back point by point on all the issues of contention. And then just a few days ago we met with our U.S. congressmen, Republican congressmen, and we gave them about two hours of our time talking about this past election."​

​

​

Did you get that? The biggest election fraud claim in American history, the president on the phone, massive amounts of evidence, and Raffensperger whines that he's already given up six and a half hours of his time to the issue.​

​

​

Trump again chimes in to say, "We won the state." In response to Raffensperger's complaint that he sacrificed six and a half hours to the matter, Trump suggests that Raffensperger does not need to invest massive time in investigating all 300,000-plus problematic votes. He just needs to investigate 11,779 to give Trump his rightful victory. For, as Trump says, "Because, what's the difference between winning the election by two votes and winning it by half a million votes? I think I probably did win it by half a million."​

​

​

When Raffensberger pushes back again, saying his office disproved the cemetery vote contention, Cleta Mitchell, a Trump attorney, makes an important point: Georgia has been withholding records from the White House.​

​

Since voting was over two months ago where was the GA Sec. of State supposed to find them?

Just say you recalculated....Hey I need 11,000 votes, Give me a break man....

Find them by doing an honest audit of course.

You don't want an honest count. You want a bias count which has trump the winner.

Try a facts, not bias falsehoods.

I'm pretty confident that if they were to do what they were supposed to in the first place....Trump would have beaten the shit out of Biden. It was turning out to be a landslide....for Trump.....and they set up before hand to make sure that Biden won the states he needed to get 270 electoral votes.

 

[otto105]

Nah..because you have Trump nailing you in the ass, you think everyone bends over like yourself.

Perhaps with a little luck America will become the one-party, police-state, that you so desperately crave. We're certainly going in that direction.

Believing in trump is believing in an Autocratic society.

I choose Democracy and reject the falsehoods you prop up.

 

[Beef_Supreme]

All you have are lies about election fraud.

You don't know, nor care, if there was fraud.

There was no fraud. Trump’s own DOJ admitted as much.

In all seriousness, does that carry any weight with you?
In the past few years alone, they have ignored how many crimes? There have been criminal acts they did their best to cover up, other instances of them doing “investigations” which were an absolute joke. Other people have had every aspect of their loved torn apart and been nailed to the wall over petty shit. They have refused to prosecute several referrals where investigations were already done for them and wrong doing was already established.
The DOJ, along with the FBI and others, are nothing more than political operations. If they want you, they will get you. If they want you to remain “un-gotten”, no amount of proof you hand them will get them to act.
I mean this sincerely. I don’t say it as a Republican or some one who is bitter because they did xyz about trump.
I’m just looking at their actions objectively when it comes to crimes/investigations/prosecutions that have a political undertone.
The DOJ announcing no fraud doesn’t affect me. The DOJ proclaiming proof of fraud wouldnt move me.

 

[mudwhistle]

There was no fraud. Trump’s own DOJ admitted as much.

The DOJ is a sad joke. It works for the DNC. Besides, they didn't investigate and, even if they did, they would cover any fraudulent results in order to insure that Joe Biden steals the election.

The DOJ has nothing to investigate.

Sycophant bill barr already stated that.

And then promptly resigned.......

Sure sounds fishy if you ask me.

 

[otto105]

Journalists in the MSM can make anything a person says sound like they're saying something totally different if they remove the context.
An hour long phone conversation was condensed down to two 5 second soundbites.....and taken out of context they then tell us what the president is discussing with the Georgia Secretary of State.

Trump had been trying for days to get in touch with this guy....and when he finally allowed his call to get thru the sneaky bastard (Raffensperger) set him up. Recording the conversation....and then turned it immediately over to journalists so they could make Trump sound guilty of some sort of crime.

But Trump never said anything about manufacturing fake votes. He said "Find Votes"....which isn't illegal....even tho the journalists at Fox News claimed it sounds bad.

But to clear everything up....here's exactly what Trump said. You decide:

The media are lying about Trump's phone call with Raffensperger

The mainstream media and Georgia's secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, are utterly disgraceful, dishonest, and manipulative people. Raffensperger released a private phone call that the media immediately claimed — falsely &mda...

www.americanthinker.com

January 4, 2021
The media are lying about Trump's phone call with Raffensperger

By Andrea Widburg


The mainstream media and Georgia's secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, are utterly disgraceful, dishonest, and manipulative people. Raffensperger released a private phone call that the media immediately claimed — falsely — showed Trump begging Raffensperger to fraudulently find enough votes for Trump to win. In fact, Trump called Raffensperger to get him to stop obstructing the fraud investigation. As Trump explained during the call, evidence proves Trump won Georgia by a massive margin, only to have victory stolen through equally massive fraud. Trump sought to avoid litigation forcing Raffensperger to do his job, which is to make at least a minimal effort to clear away enough fraud to allow Trump his actual and honest victory in Georgia.

First, Trump wasn't the only person on the phone. Also present were Mark Meadows, Mike Pompeo, and multiple attorneys. There isn't the slightest chance that they would have allowed Trump to beg Raffensperger for illegal votes or to threaten him.​

​

​

Second, contrary to what the media implied, Trump was not operating off the premise that he lost Georgia. If that had been the case, it would indeed have been wrong for Trump to beg for Raffensperger to "find" votes for him.​

​

​

Instead, Trump was operating from the assertion that he won Georgia. He opened the call with a strong recitation of the facts showing massive fraud on Raffensperger's watch. According to Trump's evidence, he didn't lose by 11,780 votes; he won by well over 300,000 votes, including votes for Trump that disappeared and illegal votes for Biden. Here are some of Trump's statements in that regard:​

​

​

"I think it's pretty clear that we won. We won very substantially in Georgia."​

​

​

"We have ... anywhere from 250–300,000 ballots were dropped mysteriously into the rolls."​

​

​

"We think that if you check the signatures — a real check of the signatures going back in Fulton County you'll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures. ..."​

​

​

​

​

Trump alluded to the faked water main break that allowed Fulton County election workers to count votes for hours after having sent observers home. He noted that the video of that after-hours voting indicated that at "the minimum it was 18,000 ballots, all for Biden."​

​

​

Trump pointed to 4,925 illegal out-of-state voters, 2,326 absentee ballots from vacant addresses, 5,000 dead people voting, and improperly handled drop boxes. And he brought up the allegations that Georgia is shredding evidence as fast as it can.​

​

​

The bottom line, as Trump accurately said, is that these infractions were "many, many times the 11,779 margin [sic] that they said we lost by."​

​

​

Trump hammered over and over that he won the state. No matter how you look at it, he said he won, and he's got the evidence to prove it.​

​

​

At this point, Mark Meadows stated what Trump's team wanted — and it wasn't to fake votes for Trump. It was, instead, an honest investigation: "What I'm hopeful for is there some way that we can ... find some kind of agreement to look at this a little bit more fully." Thus, Meadows sought an agreement "that we can at least have a discussion to look at some of these allegations to find a path forward that's less litigious."​

Raffensperger pushed back, saying he'd already had to deal with lawsuits (ignoring that the courts refused to hear evidence). He also huffed that "we gave our state Senate about one and a half hours of our time going through the election issue by issue and then on the state House, the government affairs committee, we gave them about two and a half hours of our time, going back point by point on all the issues of contention. And then just a few days ago we met with our U.S. congressmen, Republican congressmen, and we gave them about two hours of our time talking about this past election."​

​

​

Did you get that? The biggest election fraud claim in American history, the president on the phone, massive amounts of evidence, and Raffensperger whines that he's already given up six and a half hours of his time to the issue.​

​

​

Trump again chimes in to say, "We won the state." In response to Raffensperger's complaint that he sacrificed six and a half hours to the matter, Trump suggests that Raffensperger does not need to invest massive time in investigating all 300,000-plus problematic votes. He just needs to investigate 11,779 to give Trump his rightful victory. For, as Trump says, "Because, what's the difference between winning the election by two votes and winning it by half a million votes? I think I probably did win it by half a million."​

​

​

When Raffensberger pushes back again, saying his office disproved the cemetery vote contention, Cleta Mitchell, a Trump attorney, makes an important point: Georgia has been withholding records from the White House.​

​

Since voting was over two months ago where was the GA Sec. of State supposed to find them?

Just say you recalculated....Hey I need 11,000 votes, Give me a break man....

Find them by doing an honest audit of course.

You don't want an honest count. You want a bias count which has trump the winner.

Try a facts, not bias falsehoods.

I'm pretty confident that if they were to do what they were supposed to in the first place....Trump would have beaten the shit out of Biden. It was turning out to be a landslide....for Trump.....and they set up before hand to make sure that Biden won the states he needed to get 270 electoral votes.

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That isn't proof of massive voter fraud.

It's a pathetic attempt to cast doubt on Biden's win.

 

[otto105]

There was no fraud. Trump’s own DOJ admitted as much.

The DOJ is a sad joke. It works for the DNC. Besides, they didn't investigate and, even if they did, they would cover any fraudulent results in order to insure that Joe Biden steals the election.

The DOJ has nothing to investigate.

Sycophant bill barr already stated that.

And then promptly resigned.......

Sure sounds fishy if you ask me.

He didn't want to be the last rat on the sinking ship.

 

[Beef_Supreme]

Nah..because you have Trump nailing you in the ass, you think everyone bends over like yourself.

Perhaps with a little luck America will become the one-party, police-state, that you so desperately crave. We're certainly going in that direction.

Believing in trump is believing in an Autocratic society.

I choose Democracy and reject the falsehoods you prop up.

I’m pretty sure it was you I’ve asked before and never got an answer, but in case it was t you....
Please explain how Trump is autocratic.
Please show us some instances of trump over stepping his legal authority. Show us instances of him abusing executive
Power.
Even when he was urged to do so, he didn’t.
Trump was one of the most self restrained presidents in a long, long time. You may not like him, but that doesn’t mean you can just pull the “dronald drumpff is a dictator” BS.

 

[Turtlesoup]

Journalists in the MSM can make anything a person says sound like they're saying something totally different if they remove the context.
An hour long phone conversation was condensed down to two 5 second soundbites.....and taken out of context they then tell us what the president is discussing with the Georgia Secretary of State.

Trump had been trying for days to get in touch with this guy....and when he finally allowed his call to get thru the sneaky bastard (Raffensperger) set him up. Recording the conversation....and then turned it immediately over to journalists so they could make Trump sound guilty of some sort of crime.

But Trump never said anything about manufacturing fake votes. He said "Find Votes"....which isn't illegal....even tho the journalists at Fox News claimed it sounds bad.

But to clear everything up....here's exactly what Trump said. You decide:

The media are lying about Trump's phone call with Raffensperger

The mainstream media and Georgia's secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, are utterly disgraceful, dishonest, and manipulative people. Raffensperger released a private phone call that the media immediately claimed — falsely &mda...

www.americanthinker.com

January 4, 2021
The media are lying about Trump's phone call with Raffensperger

By Andrea Widburg


The mainstream media and Georgia's secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, are utterly disgraceful, dishonest, and manipulative people. Raffensperger released a private phone call that the media immediately claimed — falsely — showed Trump begging Raffensperger to fraudulently find enough votes for Trump to win. In fact, Trump called Raffensperger to get him to stop obstructing the fraud investigation. As Trump explained during the call, evidence proves Trump won Georgia by a massive margin, only to have victory stolen through equally massive fraud. Trump sought to avoid litigation forcing Raffensperger to do his job, which is to make at least a minimal effort to clear away enough fraud to allow Trump his actual and honest victory in Georgia.

First, Trump wasn't the only person on the phone. Also present were Mark Meadows, Mike Pompeo, and multiple attorneys. There isn't the slightest chance that they would have allowed Trump to beg Raffensperger for illegal votes or to threaten him.​

​

​

Second, contrary to what the media implied, Trump was not operating off the premise that he lost Georgia. If that had been the case, it would indeed have been wrong for Trump to beg for Raffensperger to "find" votes for him.​

​

​

Instead, Trump was operating from the assertion that he won Georgia. He opened the call with a strong recitation of the facts showing massive fraud on Raffensperger's watch. According to Trump's evidence, he didn't lose by 11,780 votes; he won by well over 300,000 votes, including votes for Trump that disappeared and illegal votes for Biden. Here are some of Trump's statements in that regard:​

​

​

"I think it's pretty clear that we won. We won very substantially in Georgia."​

​

​

"We have ... anywhere from 250–300,000 ballots were dropped mysteriously into the rolls."​

​

​

"We think that if you check the signatures — a real check of the signatures going back in Fulton County you'll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures. ..."​

​

​

​

​

Trump alluded to the faked water main break that allowed Fulton County election workers to count votes for hours after having sent observers home. He noted that the video of that after-hours voting indicated that at "the minimum it was 18,000 ballots, all for Biden."​

​

​

Trump pointed to 4,925 illegal out-of-state voters, 2,326 absentee ballots from vacant addresses, 5,000 dead people voting, and improperly handled drop boxes. And he brought up the allegations that Georgia is shredding evidence as fast as it can.​

​

​

The bottom line, as Trump accurately said, is that these infractions were "many, many times the 11,779 margin [sic] that they said we lost by."​

​

​

Trump hammered over and over that he won the state. No matter how you look at it, he said he won, and he's got the evidence to prove it.​

​

​

At this point, Mark Meadows stated what Trump's team wanted — and it wasn't to fake votes for Trump. It was, instead, an honest investigation: "What I'm hopeful for is there some way that we can ... find some kind of agreement to look at this a little bit more fully." Thus, Meadows sought an agreement "that we can at least have a discussion to look at some of these allegations to find a path forward that's less litigious."​

Raffensperger pushed back, saying he'd already had to deal with lawsuits (ignoring that the courts refused to hear evidence). He also huffed that "we gave our state Senate about one and a half hours of our time going through the election issue by issue and then on the state House, the government affairs committee, we gave them about two and a half hours of our time, going back point by point on all the issues of contention. And then just a few days ago we met with our U.S. congressmen, Republican congressmen, and we gave them about two hours of our time talking about this past election."​

​

​

Did you get that? The biggest election fraud claim in American history, the president on the phone, massive amounts of evidence, and Raffensperger whines that he's already given up six and a half hours of his time to the issue.​

​

​

Trump again chimes in to say, "We won the state." In response to Raffensperger's complaint that he sacrificed six and a half hours to the matter, Trump suggests that Raffensperger does not need to invest massive time in investigating all 300,000-plus problematic votes. He just needs to investigate 11,779 to give Trump his rightful victory. For, as Trump says, "Because, what's the difference between winning the election by two votes and winning it by half a million votes? I think I probably did win it by half a million."​

​

​

When Raffensberger pushes back again, saying his office disproved the cemetery vote contention, Cleta Mitchell, a Trump attorney, makes an important point: Georgia has been withholding records from the White House.​

​

Raffensperger is working with the dems as they fear Trump will not step down but instead chose to fight dragging all of their election fraud among other crimes. This was simply a smear tactic to try to diffuse Trump's claims of the DEMS doing election fraud. The Dems and their swampmates are simply accusing others of doing what they are doing. Only difference is that they have to lie to do it.

 

[K9Buck]

Please explain how Trump is autocratic. Please show us some instances...

Don't waste your time. He is a shill and a FOOL.

 

[K9Buck]

In all seriousness, does that carry any weight with you?

His love, loyalty, and devotion are to advancing the interests of the party and, in particular, the party elites. Nothing else matters to him.

 

[JLW]

Journalists in the MSM can make anything a person says sound like they're saying something totally different if they remove the context.
An hour long phone conversation was condensed down to two 5 second soundbites.....and taken out of context they then tell us what the president is discussing with the Georgia Secretary of State.

Trump had been trying for days to get in touch with this guy....and when he finally allowed his call to get thru the sneaky bastard (Raffensperger) set him up. Recording the conversation....and then turned it immediately over to journalists so they could make Trump sound guilty of some sort of crime.

But Trump never said anything about manufacturing fake votes. He said "Find Votes"....which isn't illegal....even tho the journalists at Fox News claimed it sounds bad.

But to clear everything up....here's exactly what Trump said. You decide:

The media are lying about Trump's phone call with Raffensperger

The mainstream media and Georgia's secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, are utterly disgraceful, dishonest, and manipulative people. Raffensperger released a private phone call that the media immediately claimed — falsely &mda...

www.americanthinker.com

January 4, 2021
The media are lying about Trump's phone call with Raffensperger

By Andrea Widburg


The mainstream media and Georgia's secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, are utterly disgraceful, dishonest, and manipulative people. Raffensperger released a private phone call that the media immediately claimed — falsely — showed Trump begging Raffensperger to fraudulently find enough votes for Trump to win. In fact, Trump called Raffensperger to get him to stop obstructing the fraud investigation. As Trump explained during the call, evidence proves Trump won Georgia by a massive margin, only to have victory stolen through equally massive fraud. Trump sought to avoid litigation forcing Raffensperger to do his job, which is to make at least a minimal effort to clear away enough fraud to allow Trump his actual and honest victory in Georgia.

First, Trump wasn't the only person on the phone. Also present were Mark Meadows, Mike Pompeo, and multiple attorneys. There isn't the slightest chance that they would have allowed Trump to beg Raffensperger for illegal votes or to threaten him.​

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Second, contrary to what the media implied, Trump was not operating off the premise that he lost Georgia. If that had been the case, it would indeed have been wrong for Trump to beg for Raffensperger to "find" votes for him.​

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Instead, Trump was operating from the assertion that he won Georgia. He opened the call with a strong recitation of the facts showing massive fraud on Raffensperger's watch. According to Trump's evidence, he didn't lose by 11,780 votes; he won by well over 300,000 votes, including votes for Trump that disappeared and illegal votes for Biden. Here are some of Trump's statements in that regard:​

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"I think it's pretty clear that we won. We won very substantially in Georgia."​

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"We have ... anywhere from 250–300,000 ballots were dropped mysteriously into the rolls."​

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"We think that if you check the signatures — a real check of the signatures going back in Fulton County you'll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures. ..."​

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Trump alluded to the faked water main break that allowed Fulton County election workers to count votes for hours after having sent observers home. He noted that the video of that after-hours voting indicated that at "the minimum it was 18,000 ballots, all for Biden."​

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Trump pointed to 4,925 illegal out-of-state voters, 2,326 absentee ballots from vacant addresses, 5,000 dead people voting, and improperly handled drop boxes. And he brought up the allegations that Georgia is shredding evidence as fast as it can.​

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The bottom line, as Trump accurately said, is that these infractions were "many, many times the 11,779 margin [sic] that they said we lost by."​

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Trump hammered over and over that he won the state. No matter how you look at it, he said he won, and he's got the evidence to prove it.​

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At this point, Mark Meadows stated what Trump's team wanted — and it wasn't to fake votes for Trump. It was, instead, an honest investigation: "What I'm hopeful for is there some way that we can ... find some kind of agreement to look at this a little bit more fully." Thus, Meadows sought an agreement "that we can at least have a discussion to look at some of these allegations to find a path forward that's less litigious."​

Raffensperger pushed back, saying he'd already had to deal with lawsuits (ignoring that the courts refused to hear evidence). He also huffed that "we gave our state Senate about one and a half hours of our time going through the election issue by issue and then on the state House, the government affairs committee, we gave them about two and a half hours of our time, going back point by point on all the issues of contention. And then just a few days ago we met with our U.S. congressmen, Republican congressmen, and we gave them about two hours of our time talking about this past election."​

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Did you get that? The biggest election fraud claim in American history, the president on the phone, massive amounts of evidence, and Raffensperger whines that he's already given up six and a half hours of his time to the issue.​

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Trump again chimes in to say, "We won the state." In response to Raffensperger's complaint that he sacrificed six and a half hours to the matter, Trump suggests that Raffensperger does not need to invest massive time in investigating all 300,000-plus problematic votes. He just needs to investigate 11,779 to give Trump his rightful victory. For, as Trump says, "Because, what's the difference between winning the election by two votes and winning it by half a million votes? I think I probably did win it by half a million."​

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When Raffensberger pushes back again, saying his office disproved the cemetery vote contention, Cleta Mitchell, a Trump attorney, makes an important point: Georgia has been withholding records from the White House.​

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Raffensperger is working with the dems as they fear Trump will not step down but instead chose to fight dragging all of their election fraud among other crimes. This was simply a smear tactic to try to diffuse Trump's claims of the DEMS doing election fraud. The Dems and their swampmates are simply accusing others of doing what they are doing. Only difference is that they have to lie to do it.

 

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Journalists in the MSM can make anything a person says sound like they're saying something totally different if they remove the context.
An hour long phone conversation was condensed down to two 5 second soundbites.....and taken out of context they then tell us what the president is discussing with the Georgia Secretary of State.

Trump had been trying for days to get in touch with this guy....and when he finally allowed his call to get thru the sneaky bastard (Raffensperger) set him up. Recording the conversation....and then turned it immediately over to journalists so they could make Trump sound guilty of some sort of crime.

But Trump never said anything about manufacturing fake votes. He said "Find Votes"....which isn't illegal....even tho the journalists at Fox News claimed it sounds bad.

But to clear everything up....here's exactly what Trump said. You decide:

The media are lying about Trump's phone call with Raffensperger

The mainstream media and Georgia's secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, are utterly disgraceful, dishonest, and manipulative people. Raffensperger released a private phone call that the media immediately claimed — falsely &mda...

www.americanthinker.com

January 4, 2021
The media are lying about Trump's phone call with Raffensperger

By Andrea Widburg


The mainstream media and Georgia's secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, are utterly disgraceful, dishonest, and manipulative people. Raffensperger released a private phone call that the media immediately claimed — falsely — showed Trump begging Raffensperger to fraudulently find enough votes for Trump to win. In fact, Trump called Raffensperger to get him to stop obstructing the fraud investigation. As Trump explained during the call, evidence proves Trump won Georgia by a massive margin, only to have victory stolen through equally massive fraud. Trump sought to avoid litigation forcing Raffensperger to do his job, which is to make at least a minimal effort to clear away enough fraud to allow Trump his actual and honest victory in Georgia.

First, Trump wasn't the only person on the phone. Also present were Mark Meadows, Mike Pompeo, and multiple attorneys. There isn't the slightest chance that they would have allowed Trump to beg Raffensperger for illegal votes or to threaten him.​

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Second, contrary to what the media implied, Trump was not operating off the premise that he lost Georgia. If that had been the case, it would indeed have been wrong for Trump to beg for Raffensperger to "find" votes for him.​

​

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Instead, Trump was operating from the assertion that he won Georgia. He opened the call with a strong recitation of the facts showing massive fraud on Raffensperger's watch. According to Trump's evidence, he didn't lose by 11,780 votes; he won by well over 300,000 votes, including votes for Trump that disappeared and illegal votes for Biden. Here are some of Trump's statements in that regard:​

​

​

"I think it's pretty clear that we won. We won very substantially in Georgia."​

​

​

"We have ... anywhere from 250–300,000 ballots were dropped mysteriously into the rolls."​

​

​

"We think that if you check the signatures — a real check of the signatures going back in Fulton County you'll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures. ..."​

​

​

​

​

Trump alluded to the faked water main break that allowed Fulton County election workers to count votes for hours after having sent observers home. He noted that the video of that after-hours voting indicated that at "the minimum it was 18,000 ballots, all for Biden."​

​

​

Trump pointed to 4,925 illegal out-of-state voters, 2,326 absentee ballots from vacant addresses, 5,000 dead people voting, and improperly handled drop boxes. And he brought up the allegations that Georgia is shredding evidence as fast as it can.​

​

​

The bottom line, as Trump accurately said, is that these infractions were "many, many times the 11,779 margin [sic] that they said we lost by."​

​

​

Trump hammered over and over that he won the state. No matter how you look at it, he said he won, and he's got the evidence to prove it.​

​

​

At this point, Mark Meadows stated what Trump's team wanted — and it wasn't to fake votes for Trump. It was, instead, an honest investigation: "What I'm hopeful for is there some way that we can ... find some kind of agreement to look at this a little bit more fully." Thus, Meadows sought an agreement "that we can at least have a discussion to look at some of these allegations to find a path forward that's less litigious."​

Raffensperger pushed back, saying he'd already had to deal with lawsuits (ignoring that the courts refused to hear evidence). He also huffed that "we gave our state Senate about one and a half hours of our time going through the election issue by issue and then on the state House, the government affairs committee, we gave them about two and a half hours of our time, going back point by point on all the issues of contention. And then just a few days ago we met with our U.S. congressmen, Republican congressmen, and we gave them about two hours of our time talking about this past election."​

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Did you get that? The biggest election fraud claim in American history, the president on the phone, massive amounts of evidence, and Raffensperger whines that he's already given up six and a half hours of his time to the issue.​

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Trump again chimes in to say, "We won the state." In response to Raffensperger's complaint that he sacrificed six and a half hours to the matter, Trump suggests that Raffensperger does not need to invest massive time in investigating all 300,000-plus problematic votes. He just needs to investigate 11,779 to give Trump his rightful victory. For, as Trump says, "Because, what's the difference between winning the election by two votes and winning it by half a million votes? I think I probably did win it by half a million."​

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When Raffensberger pushes back again, saying his office disproved the cemetery vote contention, Cleta Mitchell, a Trump attorney, makes an important point: Georgia has been withholding records from the White House.​

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Spin little tRumpling!!

Spin like the wind!!!

 

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Nah..because you have Trump nailing you in the ass, you think everyone bends over like yourself.

Perhaps with a little luck America will become the one-party, police-state, that you so desperately crave. We're certainly going in that direction.

Believing in trump is believing in an Autocratic society.

I choose Democracy and reject the falsehoods you prop up.

I’m pretty sure it was you I’ve asked before and never got an answer, but in case it was t you....
Please explain how Trump is autocratic.
Please show us some instances of trump over stepping his legal authority. Show us instances of him abusing executive
Power.
Even when he was urged to do so, he didn’t.
Trump was one of the most self restrained presidents in a long, long time. You may not like him, but that doesn’t mean you can just pull the “dronald drumpff is a dictator” BS.

Autocratic describes a way of ruling, but not in a nice way. An autocratic leader is one who rules with an iron fist; in other words — someone with the behavior of a dictator. Autocratic rulers don't tend to be popular. They use fear and control to gain total power over their people.

trump isn't popular.

trump uses fear and retaliation to get what he wants. trump sycophancy proves this.

trump also with current election bullshit wants to disregard actual votes and have himself declared winner.