Jussie Smollett’s conviction tossed by Illinois Supreme Court on technicality

[JoeB131]

Not what the actual issue is. The issue is going in for a cake for a SSM celebration and being told they don't do that, then using big bad government to force them out of business.

1) The owner invited them to use their shop for that purpose, only to encounter the husband screaming at them maniacally.
2) It wasn't just the refusal of service, but the Doxxing after they complained.

 

[martybegan]

1) The owner invited them to use their shop for that purpose, only to encounter the husband screaming at them maniacally.
2) It wasn't just the refusal of service, but the Doxxing after they complained.

Yes, because when people's businesses are threatened they are supposed to not fight back, and just give up if the cause is something JoeBlow approves of.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

All democrats should be thrown in jail for this. All democrats claimed it was true. All democrats participated in the crime

They won't. They will violently fight you for their right to neglect you, disregard you, harass you, violate your rights and deprive you, all the while making you pay for their actions and injustices.

You.....will do nothing. That's the "Price" I've been referring to for years while the other side did nothing. Get used to it.

 

[horselightning]

What did he lie about? You don't have a clue.

the whole thing. he stocked that kid and tried to hold on to him. and he got most of those injuried from tree next to his head he bumped into when trayvon was getting free. even is own medical witness said it could happen from a tree.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Ok OJ.

Ok Trump.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, because when people's businesses are threatened they are supposed to not fight back, and just give up if the cause is something JoeBlow approves of.

Actually, that's exactly what they should have done. They should have paid the fine and apologized.

Instead, they stomped their little feet, Doxxed the people who complained about the situation THEY created.

ONE MORE TIME- MRS. KLEIN INVITED THEM TO USE HER SHOP!

If I invite you over to my house, and then instead of giving you dinner, I started screaming at you about being a Bible Thumping moron, that would be just... rude.

 

[martybegan]

Actually, that's exactly what they should have done. They should have paid the fine and apologized.

Instead, they stomped their little feet, Doxxed the people who complained about the situation THEY created.

ONE MORE TIME- MRS. KLEIN INVITED THEM TO USE HER SHOP!

If I invite you over to my house, and then instead of giving you dinner, I started screaming at you about being a Bible Thumping moron, that would be just... rude.

Sorry, but kowtowing to oppression only allows for more of it. Plus the fine amount was ridiculous as well as unconstitutional itself.

ONE MORE TIME THAT DOESN"T MATTER

 

[JoeB131]

Sorry, but kowtowing to oppression only allows for more of it. Plus the fine amount was ridiculous as well as unconstitutional itself.

"Oppression"? Really?

Hey, officer, stop oppressing me with your speed limit, man!
Hey, Health Board, stop oppressing me with your food safety codes!

Rules are there for a reason. Even you admit that "I hate you" shouldn't be a good enough reason to deny someone Public Accommedation.

While I hope for the happy day that we stop needing religion to assuage our fear of death, I firmly support your right to grovel in front of whatever imaginary sky friend you want to. But that shit ends when it bumps up against laws we all think are reasonable.

That's why I won't cut out my ex-boss's heart to make a sacrifice to Quetzalcoatl. Because tossing out an otherwise sensible law on a religious excuse is bullshit.

ONE MORE TIME THAT DOESN"T MATTER

Actually, it kind of does. Now, if they were a gay couple who just decided to pick on the Kleins to fuck with the Christians, you might have a point. But that wasn't the case. They invited them to their shop, and then abused them for their lifestyle. And then doxxed them when they complained about the violation of the law.

 

[martybegan]

"Oppression"? Really?

Hey, officer, stop oppressing me with your speed limit, man!
Hey, Health Board, stop oppressing me with your food safety codes!

Rules are there for a reason. Even you admit that "I hate you" shouldn't be a good enough reason to deny someone Public Accommedation.

While I hope for the happy day that we stop needing religion to assuage our fear of death, I firmly support your right to grovel in front of whatever imaginary sky friend you want to. But that shit ends when it bumps up against laws we all think are reasonable.

That's why I won't cut out my ex-boss's heart to make a sacrifice to Quetzalcoatl. Because tossing out an otherwise sensible law on a religious excuse is bullshit.



Actually, it kind of does. Now, if they were a gay couple who just decided to pick on the Kleins to fuck with the Christians, you might have a point. But that wasn't the case. They invited them to their shop, and then abused them for their lifestyle. And then doxxed them when they complained about the violation of the law.

"I don't approve of your celebration" is good enough for an easily replicable non timely contracted service.

Only you and SJW idiots think ruining someone over this one case is "reasonable"

Again, you are using actual criminal murder as an example, which itself is an example of argumentum ad absurdum.

 

[JoeB131]

"I don't approve of your celebration" is good enough for an easily replicable non timely contracted service.

Only you and SJW idiots think ruining someone over this one case is "reasonable"

Again, you are using actual criminal murder as an example, which itself is an example of argumentum ad absurdum.

No, it isn't good enough. By your logic, then, a racist baker should have been able to tell me they wouldn't bake a cake for me because I was a white guy marrying an Asian chick.

They ruined themselves by escalating the issue. Again, Mr. Klein was having the time of his life, Mrs. Klein lost a business she spent years building. Seems kicking his ass to the curb should have been the solution.

It's not "Criminal Murder" if the Great Plumed Serpent demands it! Don't oppress my faith, man!

 

[martybegan]

No, it isn't good enough. By your logic, then, a racist baker should have been able to tell me they wouldn't bake a cake for me because I was a white guy marrying an Asian chick.

They ruined themselves by escalating the issue. Again, Mr. Klein was having the time of his life, Mrs. Klein lost a business she spent years building. Seems kicking his ass to the curb should have been the solution.

It's not "Criminal Murder" if the Great Plumed Serpent demands it! Don't oppress my faith, man!

Most religions don't have an issue with that. Again, lines need to be drawn, but you want the line all the way left.

They "ruined" themselves by fighting back, something the left simply does not tolerate.

Again, line drawing, which you won't accept, so you go with argumentum ad absurdum as your only refuge.

 

[JoeB131]

Most religions don't have an issue with that. Again, lines need to be drawn, but you want the line all the way left.

We aren't talking about "most religions", are we? Some religions really do see race mixing as a sin. Why shouldn't we respect their firmly held beliefs?

They "ruined" themselves by fighting back, something the left simply does not tolerate.

There's an old saying, "Is this the hill you want to die on?" They knew they were in the wrong, they just didn't expect the Lesbians to fight back.

Again, line drawing, which you won't accept, so you go with argumentum ad absurdum as your only refuge.

It's not line drawing at all. You think that we should be able to violate laws if you can some up with a religious excuse.

Okay. I'm sharpening my obsidian dagger as we speak.

 

[martybegan]

We aren't talking about "most religions", are we? Some religions really do see race mixing as a sin. Why shouldn't we respect their firmly held beliefs?



There's an old saying, "Is this the hill you want to die on?" They knew they were in the wrong, they just didn't expect the Lesbians to fight back.



It's not line drawing at all. You think that we should be able to violate laws if you can some up with a religious excuse.

Okay. I'm sharpening my obsidian dagger as we speak.

Again, line drawing.

Evidently this is a hill you want to charge using government fiat.

So we can force Churches to do same sex weddings?

 

[JoeB131]

Again, line drawing.

Evidently this is a hill you want to charge using government fiat.

So we can force Churches to do same sex weddings?

Yup. I think the line should be drawn to favor the consumer over the business. Always.

Yes, I want to defeat homophobia wherever I find it.

Works for me. I have a simple enough solution to that one. Your church can keep being homophobic, but you lose your tax exemption. And before you start screaming like a scalded dog, this is EXACTLY the approach taken to racist churches back in the 1970's. Some (like my good buddies, the Mormons) suddenly discovered that God didn't hate black people after all. Others stuck to their racism like Bob Jones did for decades, but gave up eventually.

 

[martybegan]

Yup. I think the line should be drawn to favor the consumer over the business. Always.

Yes, I want to defeat homophobia wherever I find it.

Works for me. I have a simple enough solution to that one. Your church can keep being homophobic, but you lose your tax exemption. And before you start screaming like a scalded dog, this is EXACTLY the approach taken to racist churches back in the 1970's. Some (like my good buddies, the Mormons) suddenly discovered that God didn't hate black people after all. Others stuck to their racism like Bob Jones did for decades, but gave up eventually.

Only those specific consumers that results in fucking over people you hate.

More examples of you being a miserable old fuck.

 

[JoeB131]

Only those specific consumers that results in fucking over people you hate.

More examples of you being a miserable old fuck.

Hey, the customer is always right.

Back in 2016, a guy approached my resume business wanting me to write a resume for him so he could apply for a job with the Trump administration. I felt obligated to tell him I voted for Clinton but that I would still write his resume and give it my very best effort. I even gave him some useful advice on what format to use. (He was going to use the standard format instead of the Federal one.) In the end, I think he went with someone else, but it wasn't due to me being a prick.

Besides, there was always the potential he was the reincarnation of Charles Giteau.

Now, here's the point I was trying to make with tax exemptions. Before the Civil War, the Churches were all in on slavery, even quoted bible verses supporting it. Same with the Civil Rights movement. when the lower court found against the Lovings vs. Virginia, the judge invoked God to support miscegenation laws.

In fifty years, all the churches will be performing gay weddings, and will all pretend they had nothing to do with the homophobia future generations will scratch their heads about.

 

[Man With A Plan]

yes, what he did was wrong.

Spending millions to prosecute him for what was essentially a prank was silly.

I'm glad our State Supreme Court showed some common sense.

Race baiting is now a "prank", Joey? He lied to the Police...forcing them to spend time and money chasing "racists" that never existed! I can't think of a prosecution that was MORE deserved!

 

[martybegan]

Hey, the customer is always right.

Back in 2016, a guy approached my resume business wanting me to write a resume for him so he could apply for a job with the Trump administration. I felt obligated to tell him I voted for Clinton but that I would still write his resume and give it my very best effort. I even gave him some useful advice on what format to use. (He was going to use the standard format instead of the Federal one.) In the end, I think he went with someone else, but it wasn't due to me being a prick.

Besides, there was always the potential he was the reincarnation of Charles Giteau.

Now, here's the point I was trying to make with tax exemptions. Before the Civil War, the Churches were all in on slavery, even quoted bible verses supporting it. Same with the Civil Rights movement. when the lower court found against the Lovings vs. Virginia, the judge invoked God to support miscegenation laws.

In fifty years, all the churches will be performing gay weddings, and will all pretend they had nothing to do with the homophobia future generations will scratch their heads about.

Anyone who works in Engineering know that isn't the case. Sometimes the customer wants something that will collapse.

You know the Johnson Amendment about Churches not being able to be political was to silence black churches, right?

A Religion is like any other non-profit, just easier to classify.

Race and sexuality are two different things, despite the attempts at the left to confuse them.

 

[JoeB131]

Race baiting is now a "prank", Joey? He lied to the Police...forcing them to spend time and money chasing "racists" that never existed! I can't think of a prosecution that was MORE deserved!

Given how often the CPD lies to the public in Chicago, I just can't get worked up that someone lied to them.

He didn't murder anyone. NO one was harmed in the incident except him, and he also lost his career. Going after him for a prank was just excessive.

A Religion is like any other non-profit, just easier to classify.

Religion is the biggest money-making scam in the world.

Race and sexuality are two different things, despite the attempts at the left to confuse them.

Neither one is a choice.

When did you decide to be straight? I'm guessing, like right after puberty, you realized girls aren't icky and you want to tap that,

Gays realize the same thing, just about the same sex.

 

[martybegan]

Given how often the CPD lies to the public in Chicago, I just can't get worked up that someone lied to them.

He didn't murder anyone. NO one was harmed in the incident except him, and he also lost his career. Going after him for a prank was just excessive.



Religion is the biggest money-making scam in the world.



Neither one is a choice.

When did you decide to be straight? I'm guessing, like right after puberty, you realized girls aren't icky and you want to tap that,

Gays realize the same thing, just about the same sex.

Actually government is, but you won't agree with that.

I thought sexuality was far more mutable, or do bisexuals not exist?

And some of those 57 "genders" actually cover sexuality. Are you going against leftist orthodoxy now?