Judge blocks Trumps EO to end birthright citizenship

[Slade3200]

Lol

The EO DOESNT take away any Constitutional right. Instead, you dolt, it seeks to clarify that the 14th does not apply and was never intended to apply to kids born here of illegal alien parents.

“That’s”

You’re a maroon.

The amendment didn’t state conditions around who the parents are. It clearly refers to those born here.

Now do I agree with it?? No, I don’t. But it should be fixed legislatively. Not by EO or by the courts

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I believe that Trump fully well anticipated that some knee jerk lib judge would try to label the EO “unconstitutional.”

You mean Judge Coughenour? He was appointed by Reagan you fucking dunce.

And I also believe it will soon end up in the SCOTUS.

Although there are arguments to be made on both sides of the matter, and the ultimate determination isn’t assured, it is certainly a very real possibility that “birthright citizenship” for babies born here to illegal aliens is going to get shut down.

There's nothing wrong with altering the rules for citizenship, but this is not the way to do it.

 

[Billiejeens]

Reagan-appointed judge.

And?

 

[0311]

YOU were what about the IV Amendment?

U.S. Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment | Resources | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

The original text of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

constitution.congress.gov

Section 1​

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws".

Please note, nowhere in Section I is the citizen of parents or grandparents mentioned. You're a citizen in the country.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

And?

Ha, you'd not shrug it off like that if he'd been nominated by Obama, you fucking idiot.

 

[WEATHER53]

Broken down to the most basic-
When the mother is not a citizen and here illegally, does a baby she delivers magically make everything different and fine and citizenship conferred.
The answer if course is NO
BUT-Magic, hopes, wishes are a mainstay of liberal operations and decisions that they want Forced on everyone

 

[BackAgain]

Felon47 alone cannot amend the Constitution. No such power rests in the executive branch. Way over reaching.

It isn’t “amending.” It’s correcting a long standing misunderstanding.

You libturds aren’t too bright.

 

[ThisIsMe]

To the discussion of this topic, I'd like to submit an article i found earlier today, which explains it quite well. Its kind of long but the meat of it is in the first half:

Birthright Citizenship: A Response to My Critics - Claremont Review of Books

claremontreviewofbooks.com

I'd like to see your thoughts on this.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Psst - Birthright citizenship was the norm since the country was created by the founders.

In the late 1700's there was no limit to immigration, if you came here and had children they were citizens.

(Except for diplomates of foreign countries not under the Jurisdiction of the United States.)

WW

Psst - This is about citizenship, not immigration. What made a citizen a citizen before ratification of the DOC?

 

[Zincwarrior]

It isn’t “amending.” It’s correcting a long standing misunderstanding.

You libturds aren’t too bright.

Well, so far, the courts disagree. I wonder what the Maryland court will say, which was holding a hearing on a separate suit.

 

[XponentialChaos]

And?

Not some lib judge.

 

[BackAgain]

Well, so far, the courts disagree.

True. But the operative phrase is “so far.”

I wonder what the Maryland court will say, which was holding a hearing on a separate suit.

Doesn’t matter.

The ruling that will matter is the one that is likely to come from SCOTUS.

 

[WEATHER53]

Jurisdiction to enforce the laws… not take away constitutional rights.

Jurisdiction in this case means already legally under the care and confines of the USA. Illegals are not such

 

[BrokeLoser]

Now do I agree with it?? No, I don’t. But it should be fixed legislatively. Not by EO or by the courts

There's nothing wrong with altering the rules for citizenship, but this is not the way to do it.

Just so we know we can take all the woke white guilt purple hair clowns seriously can you two link us to your previous posts showing that you denounced the Kenyan’s executive action / creation of DACA?

 

[excalibur]

The "hearing", such as t was, was a farce.

Some info about this 'judge', who went easy on a convicted terrorist.

On July 27, 2005, Coughenour sentenced Ressam to 22 years in prison, plus 5 years of supervision after his release.

On February 2, 2010, the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the 22-year sentence Coughenour had handed down was too lenient, and did not fit in the then-mandatory sentencing guidelines which indicated Ressam should have received at least 65 years, and up to 130 years, in prison. The court ordered that Ressam be re-sentenced by a different district court judge than Coughenour.[

An en banc panel of the Ninth Circuit subsequently reconsidered the 2010 opinion. The en banc panel agreed that the 22-year sentence was too lenient, but refused to remand the case to a different judge, instead sending the case back to Judge Coughenour.[14] On remand, Judge Coughenour sentenced Ressam to 37 years imprisonment to be followed by 5 years of supervised release. The United States did not appeal the sentence.​

John C. Coughenour - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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[blackhawk]

That’s what legal challenges are for let the two sides make their case and the courts can decide it.

 

[WEATHER53]

Psst - Birthright citizenship was the norm since the country was created by the founders.

In the late 1700's there was no limit to immigration, if you came here and had children they were citizens.

(Except for diplomates of foreign countries not under the Jurisdiction of the United States.)

WW

In the 1700s there was no designation of “illegal alien”. The real issue may be when was that distinction created and is IT legal?

 

[WorldWatcher]

Psst - This is about citizenship, not immigration. What made a citizen a citizen before ratification of the DOC?
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"Free" being the operative word, black people were considered property not people.

Going back even to that time free black person who had a baby, that baby was a citizen.

WW

 

[otto105]

It is unconstitutional based on the historic reading of the amendment.

If it has been incorrectly applied all these years, then-

We have learned that settled law doesn't mean what some folks think that it means.

Sure, because Heil Shitler! expects his "court" to be loyal to him and do his bidding.

 

[WorldWatcher]

In the 1700s there was no designation of “illegal alien”. The real issue may be when was that distinction created and is IT legal?

Correct, there wasn't. Any free person that came here could become a citizen, any children they had (even if the parents weren't citizens) was a citizen.

That's my point to those that go "well the founders ....", when this country was founded there were no illegal aliens.

WW