joe Burrow should be mvp of the NFL

If he were on any other team, he would win a Super Bowl

Why does he stay?

Carson Palmer also was in his position, being the best QB in football with no team around him. He took them to the playoffs first time in like 30 years, which is the longest stretch of not reaching the playoffs by any team in NFL history, and promptly has an injury that should have ended his career. But he battled back and was their QB again, only, he refused to play for the Bungals as he demanded a trade. Problem was, the owner, Mike Brown, refused to trade him, so he promptly sat the bench and flushed $50 million down the toilet. But by that time he had made a lot of money and knew he could not by his health back, so after sitting the bench a year the owner finally traded him

Carson made a modest comeback but finally had an offensive line that would protect him. He was never the same QB after the injury, however.

Joe Burrow gets hit year after year more than any QB in the NFL, and also had a severe injury that I thought would have ended his career, but he somehow battled back like Carson. The problem with Joe, however, is that he is not as old and wise as Carson. And as we all know, all young men think they are indestructible, which they certainly are not.

Joe needs to either demand a trade like Carson Palmer did or wind up like Carson Palmer, or worse.

The Bungals are the most dysfunctional organization, not just in the NFL, but the most dysfunctional organization in professional sports in the entire world.

It all goes back to Paul Brown, a football legend who began his career as a coach with the Ohio State Buckeyes, winning OSU's first national championship in college football. He then goes on to help start the NFL with the Cleveland Browns, hence the Browns name. But he somehow lost control over his own team. It created bad blood between Paul and those that stole the team from him, so to get even he goes to Cincinnati to battle the Browns directly, and dominated them most of the time. He then goes to 2 Super Bowls, both of which he almost won against arguably the best team in NFL history, which was Joe Montana and the San Fransico 49'ers. During that era, the AFC always got blow out by the superior NFC EXCEPT when they played the Bengals.

But then tragedy struck. Paul Brown died in 1990. as the team died with him. His son, Mike Brown, took over. Problem was, Mike was just a stupid lawyer and not the football genius his father was. The other problem was, since Paul Brown had his team stolen from him in Cleveland, he became paranoid when he started the Bengals. That meant there was no GM, and little scouting. Paul simply ran it all, because he was able and still win doing it. However, once he died, a huge vacuum was created, the sucking sound can still be heard today. Now the team is run by the Brown family, with his mother in law doing payroll, and his granddaughter doing scouting, etc. The entire team now is nothing more than a way to enrich their family.

Sounds pretty bad, right? Well after Paul Brown died the team went on a horrendous losing streak lasting about 30 years or so. In addition to that losing streak, Mike Brown convinced the city of Cincinnati and their taxpayers to pay for a stadium he would use. The stadium was millions of dollars over budget, of course, which pissed off the taxpayers. But perhaps the thing that pissed them off the most was, he continued to run out their terrible teams. So the city of Cincinnati sued Mike Brown, underlying legal verbiage that said the city was providing him with the stadium to field a competitive team, underlying the word "competitive", which they were not. Then all of a sudden, they go get Carson Palmer and a new coach and make it to the playoffs in about 30 years, only to then lose and lose Carson to injury.

That is the ONLY reason the team improved, as Mike has no interest in winning, other than just to avoid getting sued.

And now you know more than you ever wanted about this pathetically sad sports franchise.
I've always heard that cheapness was the scourge of the Bengals. What do you think was a bigger factor: Paul Brown being cheap or Paul Brown's unwillingness to delegate? Or was it 50/50? Or would you even characterize it that way?

And why did Brown get run out of Cleveland? Didn't Brown willingly sell his share of the team to Modell? And what do you think of Paul Brown being viewed as an ogre? My understanding of major sports is that delegation and decision-making has been taken out of the hands of players and is more centralized. I thought, for instance, that it was ridiculous to see catchers looking to the dugout for every pitch call and then relaying it to the pitcher. I dislike the pitch clock; however, the irony is that there is little to no time to call pitches from the dugout.

By the way, are you a Reds fan? The rap on them is that they've always been cheap.
 
MVP is an offensive love fest. Just like the Heisman.

I don't even put much into MVP awards. If your team is not winning it all, then the MVP is meaningless.
 
The Bungals are the most dysfunctional organization, not just in the NFL, but the most dysfunctional organization in professional sports in the entire world.
Down at the bottom with Charlotte Hornets or Bobcats or whatever the hell they're called.
 
MVP is an offensive love fest. Just like the Heisman.

I don't even put much into MVP awards. If your team is not winning it all, then the MVP is meaningless.
Take your ball and go home, the rest of us will discuss it as it's applied
 
Yup, those are the top 5. You could make a case for any of them.

I think it’s going to be Josh Allen but I also think it’s interesting that Lamar Jackson got the MVP last year and his stats are significantly better this year.

I’d be happy to see a non-QB take it. Tyreek Hill could have gotten it last year and Saquan could get it this year. But I don’t see that happening, especially not this year with so many excellent quarterbacks.

My personal rankings. Not my prediction on how it shakes out.

1. Jackson
2. Allen
3. Barkley
4. Burrow
5. Goff
Last year, Lamar Jackson was the least impressive MVP, numbers and accomplishment-wise, in the past 15 years. He shouldn't have won it last year, he doesn't thus far deserve to win it this year. He's got very impressive numbers, he's a top 3 QB. But he feeds off either the best or 2nd best running back in the league, and the Ravens aren't elite. That's one of the standards that has been established. You can have your discussion on what an MVP is, I'm just referring to how the MVP has been applied. There are still 3 games left for each team, there's time for people to prove themselves.. But last year, Jackson was a DEI MVP if you ask me.
 
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I've always heard that cheapness was the scourge of the Bengals. What do you think was a bigger factor: Paul Brown being cheap or Paul Brown's unwillingness to delegate? Or was it 50/50? Or would you even characterize it that way?

And why did Brown get run out of Cleveland? Didn't Brown willingly sell his share of the team to Modell? And what do you think of Paul Brown being viewed as an ogre? My understanding of major sports is that delegation and decision-making has been taken out of the hands of players and is more centralized. I thought, for instance, that it was ridiculous to see catchers looking to the dugout for every pitch call and then relaying it to the pitcher. I dislike the pitch clock; however, the irony is that there is little to no time to call pitches from the dugout.

By the way, are you a Reds fan? The rap on them is that they've always been cheap.

I've always heard that cheapness was the scourge of the Bengals. What do you think was a bigger factor: Paul Brown being cheap or Paul Brown's unwillingness to delegate? Or was it 50/50? Or would you even characterize it that way?

And why did Brown get run out of Cleveland? Didn't Brown willingly sell his share of the team to Modell? And what do you think of Paul Brown being viewed as an ogre? My understanding of major sports is that delegation and decision-making has been taken out of the hands of players and is more centralized. I thought, for instance, that it was ridiculous to see catchers looking to the dugout for every pitch call and then relaying it to the pitcher. I dislike the pitch clock; however, the irony is that there is little to no time to call pitches from the dugout.

By the way, are you a Reds fan? The rap on them is that they've always been cheap.
Cheapness is definitely part of the Brown family DNA, but Paul was still able to win despite it, so it was hard to argue

But his son could care less about winning, other than just to not get sued by the city, that is.

For example, all NFL teams fly into a city on Friday night to play on Sunday. getting a full day of practice and rest. Mike Bronw, however, flies the team in on Saturday to save the extra day hotel expense.

I'm not sure what happened in Cleveland with Brown and Modell. But I have to say, my opinion of Modell is very low after giving the fans of Cleveland a punch in the gut as he left for Baltimore. All I remember is Modell walking out to receive the Super Bowl trophy after the Ravens won their first Super Bowl, and the first words out of his mouth was, "I just want to thank the fans of Cleveland for their support all those years..........."

What an ass.
 
Cheapness is definitely part of the Brown family DNA, but Paul was still able to win despite it, so it was hard to argue

But his son could care less about winning, other than just to not get sued by the city, that is.

For example, all NFL teams fly into a city on Friday night to play on Sunday. getting a full day of practice and rest. Mike Bronw, however, flies the team in on Saturday to save the extra day hotel expense.

I'm not sure what happened in Cleveland with Brown and Modell. But I have to say, my opinion of Modell is very low after giving the fans of Cleveland a punch in the gut as he left for Baltimore. All I remember is Modell walking out to receive the Super Bowl trophy after the Ravens won their first Super Bowl, and the first words out of his mouth was, "I just want to thank the fans of Cleveland for their support all those years..........."

What an ass.
Damn. I travel for work. I generally like to get to a destination early so that I can rest. I am young and can take it, but I still have the luxury. Flying in Friday is the only way an NFL team should do it.

I also see that Brown died two weeks ago. I did not know that til just now.
 
I say we look at a Mr. Friscus Anaylsis... who is on his 4th bourbon.. shall we?

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Players in the MVP Hunt (in no particular order.. yet) through this week:

Burrow: Bengals 7-8
  • 4229yds, 39 TD's, 8 INT's.
  • QBR: 74.3
  • Rating: 108.5
  • RUSHING: 177yds, 1 TD
  • Team offense rank: 10th
  • Team Defense scoring allowed: 28th

Goff: Lions 13-2
  • 4,095yds, 33 TD, 10 INT's
  • QBR 66.3
  • Rating: 112.2
  • RUSHING: 59yds, 0 TD's
  • Team Offense Rank: 2nd
  • Team defense scoring allowed: T-6th

Jackson: Ravens 10-5
  • 3,787yds, 37 TD, 4 INT's
  • QBR: 75.5
  • Rating: 120.6
  • RUSHING: 765 yds, 3 TD's
  • Team Offense Rank: 1st
  • *added detriment Derrick Henry: 1636yds (2nd), 13 TD's (T-1st)
  • Team Defense scoring allowed: 19th

Allen: Bills 12-3
  • 3,549yds, 26 TD's, 6 INT's
  • QBR: 76.7
  • Rating: 101.2
  • RUSHING: 514 yds, 11 TD's
  • Team offense rank: 7th
  • Team defense scoring allowed: 11th

Barkley: Eagles 12-3
  • 1,838yds, 13 TD's (T-1st)
  • RECEIVING: 31 Receptions, 276yds, 2 TD's
  • Team defense scoring allowed: 5th

So what do we do about this?

Like last year, I say it's Allen. His dual passing and rushing attack/scoring is second to none. If you took him off the Bills they'd be shell of themselves. They have the record, he has the big-time games that grab attention.

Listen, If you want to have a discussion on what the MVP of the NFL "should" be, that's another story. But as far as the standar of what it's been awared to... If I had to make a list currently, it would be:

1. Allen
2. Jackson
3. Goff
4. Barkley
5. Burrow

I think it will be Allen this year. He's playing amazingly and he is likely more valuable to his team than any other single player. Jackson has Henry, Burrow has Chase and Higgens, Goff has a ton of weapons, Barkley has a great defense and probably the best WR tandem in the league.
 
Damn. I travel for work. I generally like to get to a destination early so that I can rest. I am young and can take it, but I still have the luxury. Flying in Friday is the only way an NFL team should do it.

I also see that Brown died two weeks ago. I did not know that til just now.
Wow, I guess you are right. Mike Brown just died

But his daughter will take over, so I don't think much will change

We will see.
 
Cheapness is definitely part of the Brown family DNA, but Paul was still able to win despite it, so it was hard to argue

But his son could care less about winning, other than just to not get sued by the city, that is.

For example, all NFL teams fly into a city on Friday night to play on Sunday. getting a full day of practice and rest. Mike Bronw, however, flies the team in on Saturday to save the extra day hotel expense.

I'm not sure what happened in Cleveland with Brown and Modell. But I have to say, my opinion of Modell is very low after giving the fans of Cleveland a punch in the gut as he left for Baltimore. All I remember is Modell walking out to receive the Super Bowl trophy after the Ravens won their first Super Bowl, and the first words out of his mouth was, "I just want to thank the fans of Cleveland for their support all those years..........."

What an ass.

From what I can recall, this was all about $$ when Modell ran himself out of Cleveland! Other facilities were built in Cleveland including The R & R HOF & they didn't want to GIVE the Browns a new arena! Baltimore lost their team to Indy & were desperate enough to poach the Browns! It worked w/ them winning 2 SB's! Modell may have felt entitled to consideration, but I believe he just mismanaged this whole thing! He was so shakey by the time he borowed $25 M to blow it on Andre Rison! Remember, the genius, Bill Belichick started in Cleveland, wasting the talents of Bernie Kosar & Vinny (colorblind) Testaverde! ;-)
 
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Yup, those are the top 5. You could make a case for any of them.

I think it’s going to be Josh Allen but I also think it’s interesting that Lamar Jackson got the MVP last year and his stats are significantly better this year.

I’d be happy to see a non-QB take it. Tyreek Hill could have gotten it last year and Saquan could get it this year. But I don’t see that happening, especially not this year with so many excellent quarterbacks.

My personal rankings. Not my prediction on how it shakes out.

1. Jackson
2. Allen
3. Barkley
4. Burrow
5. Goff

Barkley has a real chance to take over the single-season rushing record! It should go to him IMO! Burrows the only QB that worries me when it comes to the Playoffs! KC does not want to see him again if they can help it! Jackson's a waste of a vote w/ his stinking record in the playoffs! I know it's a regular season award, but taking 3 MVP's & never getting to a SB $uck$! I can't see the tide turning even though the Chief's luck has to run out sooner or later! :dunno: :stir: :rolleyes: :confused: :D
 
If the Bengals make the playoffs, Burrow should be in the conversation. Saquon Barkley has a chance to break the single season rushing record that has stood for 40 years. He should get MVP.
I heard Saquon played one more game than Dickerson. He has to average 136 yards a game the next two games to break the record. That means IMO he needs to get 272 yards today or put an asterisk next to his record.

But then put one next to Dickerson's record. Because he played one more game than OJ.

Jamaal Charles has the most career rushing yards per attempt by a running back in NFL history, with 5.4 yards per attempt. Jamaal RaShaad Jones Charles is an American former professional football running back who played 11 seasons in the National Football League, primarily with the Kansas City Chiefs.

I don't think anyone would get this right if asked on Jeopardy. Who the fuck is Jamaal RaShaad Jones Charles? Maybe people in Kansas City or their division but I've never heard of this guy. 11 years?

  • Jim Brown: Has 5.22 yards per carry when adjusted for era
  • Barry Sanders: Has 4.99 yards per carry when adjusted for era

  • Gale Sayers: Has 5 yards per carry when adjusted for era
This is why I say Sanders was better than Emmitt Smith. Emmitt has the all time rushing record but everyone knew Barry was better.
 
I heard Saquon played one more game than Dickerson. He has to average 136 yards a game the next two games to break the record. That means IMO he needs to get 272 yards today or put an asterisk next to his record.

But then put one next to Dickerson's record. Because he played one more game than OJ.

Jamaal Charles has the most career rushing yards per attempt by a running back in NFL history, with 5.4 yards per attempt. Jamaal RaShaad Jones Charles is an American former professional football running back who played 11 seasons in the National Football League, primarily with the Kansas City Chiefs.

I don't think anyone would get this right if asked on Jeopardy. Who the fuck is Jamaal RaShaad Jones Charles? Maybe people in Kansas City or their division but I've never heard of this guy. 11 years?

  • Jim Brown: Has 5.22 yards per carry when adjusted for era
  • Barry Sanders: Has 4.99 yards per carry when adjusted for era

  • Gale Sayers: Has 5 yards per carry when adjusted for era
This is why I say Sanders was better than Emmitt Smith. Emmitt has the all time rushing record but everyone knew Barry was better.
Why does yards per carry have to be adjusted for era?
 

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