Javelin does not destroy Russian T72-B3 or better tanks. Don't take my word for it. Take the US Army's word for it.

[Big Bend Texas]

That's why they are still acting in white gloves and try to avoid unnecessary collateral damage

That's just a truly sickening lie.

They've been carpet bombing cities along with using both cluster bombs and vacuum bombs on civilian populations.

This isn't even arguable since we have live video of the attacks and the fact they leave distinctive signatures when they are used.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

The Russians and Ukrainians are so close to each other, that conflict between them is a form of a civil war. For Ukrainians it is a conflict between Banderovci (mostly Western Ukrainian nationalist pro-Nazi collaborants) and Vatniks (mostly Eastern and Southern Russian-speaking pro-Stalinists). For Russians it's mostly conflict between Patriots and Liberals. For Orthodoxal Christians it is a conflict between Ecumenical Patriarchy of Constantinople (with their conception of the Eastern Pope) and other (mostly non-Greek) Churches (who consider such claims as resurrection of the Popish Heresy). For Muslims it's a conflict between "traditional Sunni Islam" and "secular Islam" from one side and "radical Wahhabism" and "Secular Panturkism" from another. For Jews it's a conflict between Chabad (wider - the tribe of Zavulon) and secularism (wider - the tribe of Naphtali).
There is a fraging mess of ethnical, linguistic, cultural, political and economical contradictions and conflicts (as everywhere else) and the tendency to black&white simplification is pretty dangerous.

You continue lying, why is that?

Ukraine is a sovereign nation.

 

[Silver Cat]

Neither Ukraine nor NATO have ever been a threat to do anything but stop Russian Invasions.

But since the Russian recognition of DPR and LPR - Ukrainian shelling of them became (from the Russian point of view) - an act of aggression against Russian ally.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

But since the Russian recognition of DPR and LPR - Ukrainian shelling of them became (from the Russian point of view) - an act of aggression against Russian ally.

The only "Russian Standpoint" is the fact they are gain attempting to steal the natural resources of Ukraine by invading and conquering them.

Stop making excuses for the most evil regime governing today.

 

[Silver Cat]

That's just a truly sickening lie.

They've been carpet bombing cities along with using both cluster bombs and vacuum bombs on civilian populations.

This isn't even arguable since we have live video of the attacks and the fact they leave distinctive signatures when they are used.

Just compare videos from Melitopol, Mariupol and Aleppo (or Grozny). They don't use weapon against peaceful unarmed civilians. They use it against soldiers and militants and try to avoid collateral damage. And yes, if those Javelins are so good - why Ukrainian army don't fight Russian Army in the open field, and prefer to use human shield in cities?

 

[Silver Cat]

The only "Russian Standpoint" is the fact they are gain attempting to steal the natural resources of Ukraine by invading and conquering them.

Everybody do it. Big fish eats small fish. But it is not their only reason.

Stop making excuses for the most evil regime governing today.

Actually, they have more excuses to invade Ukraine today than the USA had back in 2003 to invade Iraq. And no, their regime is not nice, but, obviously, it's not evil.

 

[Silver Cat]

You continue lying, why is that?

Ukraine is a sovereign nation.

Yes, Ukraine is a sovereign nation (from some points of view). But so are DPR and LPR (from another POVs). Anyway, there are plenty of internal contradictions and conflicts there.

 

[AZrailwhale]

You're the one mentioning CGI.

Tokyo Rose? We were in declared war with Japan when she broadcasted.

So, you were Mr. Patriot when GW went to war in Afghanistan and Iraq and stayed the course throughout both? No? People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Tokyo Rose was also coerced into making those broadcasts. That was proven after the war. Her trial was a witch hunt with the FBI fabricating evidence and threatening witnesses. Ford pardoned her after the facts finally came out.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Damn!

The commies don't make tanks like they used to.

They never made tanks like they used to. Russian/Soviet tanks have always been expendable junk. The T-34 that people claim to be a wonder tank is the most destroyed tank in history.

 

[AZrailwhale]

But since the Russian recognition of DPR and LPR - Ukrainian shelling of them became (from the Russian point of view) - an act of aggression against Russian ally.

Nobody but the Russians have recognized them. If I recognize a dog as a cat, it still won't be able to climb trees.

 

[Silver Cat]

Nobody but the Russians have recognized them. If I recognize a dog as a cat, it still won't be able to climb trees.

Actually, they were recognized by Russia, Syria, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Cuba, Southern Ossetia, Abkhazia.
And as we see, DPR and LPR already able to fight successfully against Ukrainian forces. They have more tanks than, say, Britain.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The Russians and Ukrainians are so close to each other, that conflict between them is a form of a civil war

Only in the mind of the evil Putin and his toadies.

Your lies are simply not flying, here.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Actually, they were recognized by Russia, Syria, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Cuba, Southern Ossetia, Abkhazia.
And as we see, DPR and LPR already able to fight successfully against Ukrainian forces. They have more tanks than, say, Britain.

All Russian client states, Ossetia was stolen from Georgia like Crimea was stolen from Ukraine by Russia. The only reason DPR and LPR have been successful against Ukraine is Russian "volunteers", the so called "little green men". Russia is fomenting the violence, providing arms and men to commit it. Russia is using them as pretexts for invasion.

 

[Mushroom]

I'm so sick and fucking tired of the Democrat propaganda coming out of this Ukraine war.

Let me re-emphasize the US ARMY'S OWN STATEMENT about Russian Tanks in actual combat.

Do I make myself clear? You're being FUCKING LIED TO.

This is largely a misunderstanding and confusion between the military, and most civilians.

For those of us trained in the use of actual anti-tank weapons, we know to never actually fire at the tank itself. Our main target if possible is actually at the tracks. Hit a track, and it becomes "combat ineffective" because it can't move. That is a "soft kill", and then hopefully can be finished off with some other weapon, like COPPERHEAD or something else.

JAVELIN is a replacement for the DRAGON system. Once again, we knew decades ago it was not effective against an MBT. If you are a DRAGON gunner, take out the track (or if nothing else, the turret where you can eliminate the visual and electronic observation systems). But your true target was to get a flank or oblique angle and take out the tracks.

But this kind of confusion is common when civilians try to sound "authoritative" about military things. Like how many confuse "casualties" with "deaths". I have seen a great many reports where say Ukraine claims to have inflicted "10,000 deaths", then quote the actual statement which says "10,000 casualties". Casualties are not deaths. It includes deaths, but it simply means wounded. It might even mean those wounded lightly and returned to combat with minimal treatment so they can keep fighting.

This is not propaganda, it is simply the ignorance of a great many of what actual military things mean, so they make up their own.

 

[Silver Cat]

All Russian client states, Ossetia was stolen from Georgia like Crimea was stolen from Ukraine by Russia. The only reason DPR and LPR have been successful against Ukraine is Russian "volunteers", the so called "little green men". Russia is fomenting the violence, providing arms and men to commit it. Russia is using them as pretexts for invasion.

Yes, of course. The USA do the same things. It's normal. What is important - to use something (like Taiwan) it must already exists. Yes, de jure Taiwan is a part of China. Yes, the only reason why Taiwan have been more or less successful against the Commies - is the USA. But Taiwan really exists. The US used really existed contradictions in the Chinese society. Same way, the Russians used the really existed contradictions in the post-Soviet republics or foreign states.

The USA have a sovereign right to recognize Kosovo or Taiwan. The Russians have a sovereign right to recognize regimes of Lukashenko, Assad and Maduro, to recognize independence of Abkhazia or DPR&LPR.

 

[Silver Cat]

Only in the mind of the evil Putin and his toadies.

Your lies are simply not flying, here.

Ask our friend Litwin . He can explain you, that Ukrainians are not Russians, because only Ukrainians are real Russians, and Russians in Russia are not real Russians, but Finno-Hungarians, Tatars, Monglos, etc...

 

[Orangecat]

Something is blowing the shit out of them...... LOL

Maybe it's Kamala. She's got a lifetime of experience.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I have seen a great many reports where say Ukraine claims to have inflicted "10,000 deaths", then quote the actual statement which says "10,000 casualties".

There is confusion about that.

But Ukraine does claim to have killed that many Russians. 18300 at last count.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Ask our friend Litwin . He can explain you, that Ukrainians are not Russians, because only Ukrainians are real Russians, and Russians in Russia are not real Russians, but Finno-Hungarians, Tatars, Monglos, etc...

The confusion seems to be yours and your master's.

That line on the map? That's the Ukrainian border.

A small child could explain this to you both.

 

[Silver Cat]

The confusion seems to be yours and your master's.

That line on the map? That's the Ukrainian border.

A small child could explain this to you both.

Line on the map is just a line on the map. A map is a simbolic representation of an actual area with its elements. Reality is much more complicated. Same way Albanians in Kosovo were not Serbs while Kosovo was a part of Serbia. Maps must represent reality, not vice versa.