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Yes, these are Trump vaccines, and Trump has not only supported them, but was also vaccinated.
Those claiming this is right vs left are just lying.
Those against the vaccines are logical and scientific, while those pushing the vaccines are political and ignorant.
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Prior to the pandemic, a study at John Hopkins rated the US #1 in the world at being able to respond to a pandemic.

So much for our "studies." But faced with that horsecrap, it just becomes even harder to give that over-simplistic reply that it was all "Trump's fault."

The government spends billions on supposedly being ready for this stuff but what they are really saying is that they spend billions trying to be ready to protect THEMSELVES.
 

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I'm not particularly concerned about about whether the Chinese lied or withheld information nor whether the virus was released due to a lab accident or came from a wet market. We got the same information at same time as the rest of the world. Yet our response was far below what one expected for the a nation who spends hundreds of millions of dollars in viral and epidemic research and who works in over 60 countries assisting in controlling epidemics and preventing them. Prior to the pandemic, a study at John Hopkins rated the US #1 in the world at being able to respond to a pandemic. However that study was based strictly on numbers of hospitals beds, research labs, numbers epidemiologists, etc. It ignore the nations lack of planning at all levels.

I think the major problem is the US leadership never believe and epidemic of this proportion would ever hit the US. For over a hundred years, epidemics of this proportion hit poor undeveloped countries, not the United States. Thus at the federal level and state state level there was no real plan to deal with a nationwide epidemic. The pandemic response team was organized about the same time the first case arrived in the US.

For people who have not worked in government they don't appreciate the need for planning and delegation of tasks, not at the just the top level but all the way down the chain of command both in federal and state goverment. Prior to corvid, the mention of epidemic in a state health dept. meant lice in the schools, or maybe a measles case, or a case of meningitis. The states had to hire and and train people to do contact tracing, testing, and quarantining. What was missing in those early critical days of the pandemic was a a fast response team trained to do this.

I am not sure I buy that because we had data from China, France, Italy, etc. about what to expect.
By Jan 3, the Chinese had warned us.
{...

3 January​

The Chinese government formally notified the U.S. of the outbreak. At a White House briefing in 20 March, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said officials had been alerted to the initial reports of the virus by discussions between CDC director Robert Redfield and Chinese CDC Director Gao on January 3. Mr. Azar also told his chief of staff to make sure that the National Security Council was aware that "this (the outbreak) is a very big deal"[26][27][28] The BBC ran its first story on the outbreak.[29]
Health authorities in Wuhan reported 44 cases, a big jump from the 27 reported on Tuesday. Eleven of the 44 were seriously ill, the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission said, although there had been no reported deaths to date. The health of the 121 close contacts of the cases was being monitored.[30]
...}
{...
The virus was confirmed to have reached France on 24 January 2020, when the first COVID-19 case in both Europe and France was identified in Bordeaux. The first five confirmed cases were all individuals who had recently arrived from China.[5][6] A Chinese tourist who was admitted to hospital in Paris on 28 January 2020, died on 14 February 2020, making it the first COVID-19 death in France as well as the first COVID-19 death outside Asia.[7][8][9][10] A key event in the spread of the disease across metropolitan France as well as its overseas territories was the annual assembly of the Christian Open Door Church between 17 and 24 February 2020 in Mulhouse which was attended by about 2,500 people, at least half of whom are believed to have contracted the virus.[11][12] On 4 May 2020, retroactive testing of samples in one French hospital showed that a patient was probably already infected with the virus on 27 December 2019, almost a month before the first officially confirmed case.[13][14]
...}
{...
The virus was first confirmed to have spread to Italy on 31 January 2020, when two Chinese tourists in Rome tested positive for the virus.[1] One week later an Italian man repatriated back to Italy from the city of Wuhan, China, was hospitalised and confirmed as the third case in Italy.[3] Clusters of cases were later detected in Lombardy and Veneto on 21 February,[4] with the first deaths on 22 February.[5] By the beginning of March, the virus had spread to all regions of Italy.[6][7][8][9]

On 31 January, the Italian government suspended all flights to and from China and declared a state of emergency. In February, eleven municipalities in northern Italy were identified as the centres of the two main Italian clusters and placed under quarantine. The majority of positive cases in other regions traced back to these two clusters.[10] On 8 March 2020, Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte expanded the quarantine to all of Lombardy and 14 other northern provinces, and on the following day to all of Italy, placing more than 60 million people in lockdown.[11][12][13] On 11 March 2020, Conte prohibited nearly all commercial activity except for supermarkets and pharmacies.
...}

So then how could anyone not have known?
We successfully quarantined Ebola, so I think we could have handled covid as well.
Seems to me it was deliberately let in.
This is reinforced by the insane decision to "flatten the curve", which means essentially to ensure it lasts the longests, is impossible to end, and that it kills the maximum number of people.
 

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OMFG

You can still go after the drug company that produced the vaccine so what if you can't sue the guy who gave you the shot?

You didn't sign away any rights
You really need to stop now, because you are making a total fool of yourself.

You can't sue them over these emergency "vaccines", it is the law!
 

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I'm not a young guy anymore and I have some serious health issues that SHOULD have been addressed a YEAR ago!---- in the hospital with tests and/or maybe surgeries. This whole thing with Covid just drags on and on. I'm afraid that it is placing me in a rather sticky widget where:
  1. I will be forced around doctors, offices and hospital facilities soon whether I want to or not, the LAST place I want to be, and get Covid from them.
  2. I will be discriminated against, denied, shunned or persecuted for NOT getting the vaccine.
Clearly, people are being FORCED to make decisions against their better judgement, and there are a great many concerns, questions and doubts about Covid and the vax.

It's a personal decision that no one has proven affects others that every person ought to be FREE to make. But I didn't feel very free.

It's not that Covid isn't real, just that the risks have been politically exaggerated. It's not that the vax doesn't help or work, just that you are being asked to take something that HAS caused many to get very ill, isn't even approved by the FDA and which you have no legal recourse if it hurts you.

I finally went to see my doctor the other day for the first time in over a year because it could not be avoided. I resolved that it was counterproductive to expose myself to places where sick people were going in and out the door 50 times a day and either was exposing myself to a potential Covid infection that under my circumstances might be a serious event for me, or expose myself to growing friction, discrimination, frustration, scorn and obstinance from doctors, medical staff and society in general.

The nurse at my doctors office insisted I get the 15 minute antigen Covid test. She sneered when I told her it was a waste of time that I couldn't possibly have Covid. And the results indeed came back negative. I told her I could have told her that with my eyes closed. She sneered again. They made me wear a stupid cheap mask while there and I wonder if my test had come back positive whether my doctor would have refused me treatment for being sick? :smoke: Everyone's an irrational asshole these days.

So I relented and called my pharmacist buddy up and told him I wanted the shot. So I got the Moderna vaccine yesterday.

I had to fill out papers essentially giving away all my rights. I rationalized that if I haven't gotten sick from Covid yet, I probably never will, and if the Vaccine hasn't hurt most people, it wouldn't likely hurt me, and mostly nothing ever bothers me. I'm generally as tough as dried leather. I don't like any of this but I know when one is fighting against diminished returns.

I was told the shot would leave my arm sore, that if I had a bad reaction to the vaccine, it would come on near immediately, and to hang around for 15 minutes before driving. I had the pharmacist come out and give me the shot as I waiting in the parking lot in my car.

I rationalized that if nothing else, it would free my life up a bit and make things easier with one thing left not to worry about.

Nothing at all happened in my 15 minute wait there, but by last night, my arm where I got the shot was indeed sore. Like I had gotten a knuckle punch there. Other than that, I'm fine.

So that's it. I still feel Covid is a huge political football with questions of its origins and how last year was handled that beg to be answered, and I don't like getting the Covid shot at all, but I felt I had to make the best decision for myself and take my chances. I'm probably at low risk to get the virus now (more so in a month to six weeks) and probably at a low risk to get ill from the vaccine.

But I also felt that it would be dishonest and hypocritical not to admit getting it. But I'm in no way advocating for the shot, each person must look at their individual circumstance and make that decision for THEMSELVES.

I don't glow under UV light and I haven't sprouted a third head. But that doesn't make what has gone on for the past 16 months OK, neither.

More power to you whatever your decision. May you not get Covid or have a bad reaction to the vaxx whether you decide to get the shot or not. If I were ten years younger and in better health not likely to soon be at ground zero with doctors and hospitals, there is no way I would have ever agreed to get the vaccine.
Your arm is sore because you've been injected with miniaturize psychopathic armed black ops. You feel pain whenever they have target practice.
 

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Yes.
Full quarantine right from the start would likely have been best, since that would have ended it in less than a month, and had the least deaths.

Second choice in my opinion should have been immuno suppressants, since the virus itself was relatively harmless, and it was only the allergic immune response that was killing people. That includes drugs like Fluvoxamine, Ivermectin, quinine, etc.

Third strategy that would have ended it in less than a month with few deaths would have been deliberate variolation of those volunteers likely to survive.
Like under 40, who are 400 times less likely to die then those over 70.

There are even more possible strategies, but "flattening the curve" is not one of them. That can not end any epidemic, prevents any epidemic from ending, and makes any epidemic much worse.

We didn't have working covid test kits that could be used in the field, no one trained to use them, few trained contact tracer and we weren't sure exactly what all the symptoms were. In the spring of 2020 we didn't know how effective immunosuppressive drugs would be in treating Covid. That came months later. This is the problem of all new major epidemics, you learn as you go.
 
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So much for our "studies." But faced with that horsecrap, it just becomes even harder to give that over-simplistic reply that it was all "Trump's fault."

The government spends billions on supposedly being ready for this stuff but what they are really saying is that they spend billions trying to be ready to protect THEMSELVES.
Of course it's not all Trump's fault. He shouldn't have played down the virus and he should not have dissolved the pandemic response team in 2018. However Obama's people should have maintained the emergency stockpile. The CDC which has spend hundreds of millions researching epidemics, and actively working with them is 60 countries should have been much better prepared. However, none of this is too surprising because the idea that this just couldn't happen here was intrenched everywhere, the CDC, state health departments, and the public. Pandemics that kill hundreds of thousand just won't happen in US but rather in 3rd world countries that are so poorly prepared. We simply forgot the Spanish Influenza and the simple fact that borders do not stop disease.
 

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That protection only lasts until 2024.

And you haven't been "injured" by the vaccine have you?

The fact is severe reactions occur only about .001% of the time.

If that scares you then you must be a shut in. And even then there are more things in your home that can kill or injure you so I guess you're just fucked
 

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Oh look, I got my first idiot troll in Mr Clean, who either thinks it funny that I:
  1. Have health concerns serious enough to risk getting the vaccine.
  2. Got the vaccine in any regard.
  3. Or have told others here my experiences so they can make better decisions for themselves. And since nothing bad happened to me, likely will invoke some others to get the shot.
Mr Clean doesn’t give a crap about anyone but himself.
 

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That protection only lasts until 2024.

And you haven't been "injured" by the vaccine have you?

The fact is severe reactions occur only about .001% of the time.

If that scares you then you must be a shut in. And even then there are more things in your home that can kill or injure you so I guess you're just fucked
The most serious reaction to this vaccine or other vaccines is usually anaphylactic shock which is an allergic reaction. Although questions on the vaccine registration form list common antigens that could cause a problem, there will always be a few people that will have reactions which is why vaccine sites have EpiPen's.

In the past vaccines contained live or dead viral particles or something in between which made it possible to become infected with the virus due to the vaccine . The new mRNA vaccines do not contain viral particles thus you can not become infected with Covid by taking the vaccine.
 
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I am not sure I buy that because we had data from China, France, Italy, etc. about what to expect.
By Jan 3, the Chinese had warned us.
{...

3 January​

The Chinese government formally notified the U.S. of the outbreak. At a White House briefing in 20 March, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said officials had been alerted to the initial reports of the virus by discussions between CDC director Robert Redfield and Chinese CDC Director Gao on January 3. Mr. Azar also told his chief of staff to make sure that the National Security Council was aware that "this (the outbreak) is a very big deal"[26][27][28] The BBC ran its first story on the outbreak.[29]
Health authorities in Wuhan reported 44 cases, a big jump from the 27 reported on Tuesday. Eleven of the 44 were seriously ill, the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission said, although there had been no reported deaths to date. The health of the 121 close contacts of the cases was being monitored.[30]
...}
{...
The virus was confirmed to have reached France on 24 January 2020, when the first COVID-19 case in both Europe and France was identified in Bordeaux. The first five confirmed cases were all individuals who had recently arrived from China.[5][6] A Chinese tourist who was admitted to hospital in Paris on 28 January 2020, died on 14 February 2020, making it the first COVID-19 death in France as well as the first COVID-19 death outside Asia.[7][8][9][10] A key event in the spread of the disease across metropolitan France as well as its overseas territories was the annual assembly of the Christian Open Door Church between 17 and 24 February 2020 in Mulhouse which was attended by about 2,500 people, at least half of whom are believed to have contracted the virus.[11][12] On 4 May 2020, retroactive testing of samples in one French hospital showed that a patient was probably already infected with the virus on 27 December 2019, almost a month before the first officially confirmed case.[13][14]
...}
{...
The virus was first confirmed to have spread to Italy on 31 January 2020, when two Chinese tourists in Rome tested positive for the virus.[1] One week later an Italian man repatriated back to Italy from the city of Wuhan, China, was hospitalised and confirmed as the third case in Italy.[3] Clusters of cases were later detected in Lombardy and Veneto on 21 February,[4] with the first deaths on 22 February.[5] By the beginning of March, the virus had spread to all regions of Italy.[6][7][8][9]

On 31 January, the Italian government suspended all flights to and from China and declared a state of emergency. In February, eleven municipalities in northern Italy were identified as the centres of the two main Italian clusters and placed under quarantine. The majority of positive cases in other regions traced back to these two clusters.[10] On 8 March 2020, Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte expanded the quarantine to all of Lombardy and 14 other northern provinces, and on the following day to all of Italy, placing more than 60 million people in lockdown.[11][12][13] On 11 March 2020, Conte prohibited nearly all commercial activity except for supermarkets and pharmacies.
...}

So then how could anyone not have known?
We successfully quarantined Ebola, so I think we could have handled covid as well.
Seems to me it was deliberately let in.
This is reinforced by the insane decision to "flatten the curve", which means essentially to ensure it lasts the longests, is impossible to end, and that it kills the maximum number of people.
When I said information, I was referring to the offical information released by China. The US as well as most nations had information about the virus during the month of Dec, due to information leaks out of Wuhan. Information about the virus was presented in the weekly security briefings in the White House in Dec.

China does not release information about potential health threats without the approval of the central government because pervious announcements by healthcare officials have proved to be inaccurate and embarrassing . What they did release in January, the complete genome of virus and data needed to construct test kits was essential data for developing tests and vaccines. What they did not release was information about the origin of the virus.

In regard to quarantining, we were able to quarantine Ebola because it was not spread through the air like Covid but by an uninfected person having direct contact with body fluids of a person who is sick with the disease or has died. Yes, we could have stopped Covid with quarantining if we had rapid result test kits that could identify an infect person within hours, not days and had enough contact tracers to trace down all contacts, and lastly the authority to enforce quarantines. Since we had none of that when the first cases appeared, it was not possible.

Since Covid was brought into the country by so many people from so many countries, it could not have been deliberately brought into the US.
 
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Glad you got vaccinated toob, glad you convinced yourself it was the better choice. :) Now get those other health issues looked at dude!
 
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Well, I just got my second shot. Now I'm fully vaccinated. Technically I think now it will take two more weeks for the Moderna to reach full strength status.

What was the second shot like? Like the first, this time I dared not even wait around the 15 minutes you are supposed to for an allergic reaction, I left right away because I wanted to stop to get gas then be somewhere else in a half hour to pick something up. So it's been about a half hour since the shot and a couple times I felt a mild pain sensation throb in my arm a few inches from the injection, probably those big square rusty nanites stretching my arteries to make it into my body. I'm home now and will be spending the rest of my day now laying low, watching football, eating, drinking and imbibing other manors of antigens and volatile aromatic intoxicants.
 

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Well, I just got my second shot. Now I'm fully vaccinated. Technically I think now it will take two more weeks for the Moderna to reach full strength status.

What was the second shot like? Like the first, this time I dared not even wait around the 15 minutes you are supposed to for an allergic reaction, I left right away because I wanted to stop to get gas then be somewhere else in a half hour to pick something up. So it's been about a half hour since the shot and a couple times I felt a mild pain sensation throb in my arm a few inches from the injection, probably those big square rusty nanites stretching my arteries to make it into my body. I'm home now and will be spending the rest of my day now laying low, watching football, eating, drinking and imbibing other manors of antigens and volatile aromatic intoxicants.
Most people feel a little off the 2nd day. I had a very light low fever with chills the night after I took the 2nd shot. The next morning I was a little weak but felt ok. The next day I was fine. My wife had no effect at all. and neither did my daughter. The vaccine and the spike protein generated by the vaccine will be gone from your body in about 7 days. It takes about 14 days for your immune system memory to store the details of virus so it can rapidly produce antibodies if you are infected.
 

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I equate your entire dialog with this.....

"I don't believe in God, but I hear people say, that if you have faith, and the Bible teaches that the only way to get to heaven is by becoming a Christian, which you do by accepting Jesus as your Savior., then all I have to do is say that you accept Jesus as your Savior."

You're scared. You are like that guy on his death bed, and NOW decides to 'take a chance' and accept Christ. In your words,


You still don't believe in the vaccine (the great trump vaccine) yet you cowered down and 'played it safe.'


Believing in the vaccine is not important. The guy took the vaccine and then shared the fact. Other people on the fence might also decide to do so when hearing about someone with reservations who got the vaccine... despite those reservation.
I'm sure there are millions of people just like TBF, who werent really happy about it but still got the shot.
Your just looking for something to make personal and bitch about IMHO
 

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