It's Official: Bukele will NOT Release El Salvadoran Citizen Kilmar Abrego Garcia to the United States

[WorldWatcher]

Wasn't he under a deportation order? That is due process.

I understand that the threat to him no longer exists. As a citizen of El Salvador, where were we supposed to send him?

Under 8 USC 1231, the Trump Administration could have identified a 3rd party country willing to accept him. Then gone back to immigration court to have the hold lifted. Once lifted he could have been deported to that country.

Or if the threat no longer existed.

Go back to the Immigration Judge and file a motion to lift their hold and present evidence.

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[80zephyr]

I think MAGA lies.

Do you ever add anything to a conversation?

 

[konradv]

Do you ever add anything to a conversation?

Do you ever read? Of course I add things, if someone hasn’t just posted a long list lies. Who’s got the time to read the same thing over and over?

 

[Seymour Flops]

And if the order was lifted then why didn't the DOJ Attorney's just submit it to Judge Xinis?

Oh wait, the DOJ attorney in court have said the previous hold order was in place and the transfer to the El Salvadorian Human Storage Facility was a mistake.

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Oh, yeah. Judge Xinis could be swayed by facts.

Which judge lifted the order?

Immigration "Judges" work for the DOJ. The DOJ lifted the order.

You hero is gone. But it doesn't look like he's suffering much.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Oh, yeah. Judge Xinis could be swayed by facts.



Immigration "Judges" work for the DOJ. The DOJ lifted the order.

You hero is gone. But it doesn't look like he's suffering much.

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No, that was a photo op. Trying to imply he's held in hotel like settings with fruity little drinks with the umbrella's in them.

This was the photo Abrego Garcia's wife used to ID him based on a head scar and tattoo. (Top Image)

Along with some more for inside.

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[Marener]

I understand that the threat to him no longer exists. As a citizen of El Salvador, where were we supposed to send him?

The government could have sent him to any country that would accept him.

Or they could have gone to the judge and had the withholding order taken off.

They didn’t, which is why the deportation was illegal as SCOTUS has ruled.

 

[Independent thinker]

Isn’t it Bukele that wants to take away freedom?

Says someone from the party who wants to take 2A rights away, fired people from jobs becasue they weren't vaccinated, forced people to carry around papers during Covid or they couldn't leave their house, and tried to take democracy away by trying to take people off ballots so they couldn't win elections.

 

[80zephyr]

Do you ever read? Of course I add things, if someone hasn’t just posted a long list lies. Who’s got the time to read the same thing over and over?

Maybe I'm just unlucky. Everything I see you post is "its a lie".

 

[Marener]

Immigration "Judges" work for the DOJ. The DOJ lifted the order.

That’s not how the system works. But even if it did, he should have the opportunity to challenge that action in federal court.

But he was deprived that chance.

 

[80zephyr]

The government could have sent him to any country that would accept him.

Or they could have gone to the judge and had the withholding order taken off.

They didn’t, which is why the deportation was illegal as SCOTUS has ruled.

It could have been handled better. But the thing is, is that the left was gonna find any reason to sink the deportation of illegals.

In reality, it is the left that has caused the suffering of these people by allowing them to cross the border in the first place.

 

[Couchpotato]

You’re continuing to hide beneath the covers to ignore the point.

Trump illegally sent him to the gulag. You’re pretending as if the US did nothing wrong, when it’s obvious how Trump is approaching this.

Yes the US sent a Salvadorian national to ElSalvador and didn’t check all the procedural boxes required. I’ve not said they didn’t. That said the US is not responsible for whanEl asap ador does with its citizens. We don’t get to tell them how to run their justice system. If you told me there were 10’s of thousands of people in prison in El Salvador who by our standards have had their rights violated I’d believe you. Is this guy different because he illegally immigrated to the US at some point in his life? Why do you think we have some special jurisdiction over what El Salvador does with regard to this man? At what point is the US no longer responsible for El Salvador violating the rights he would have if he were an American citizen living in the US? If we fly this guy to the US he has a hearing and we put him right back on a plane to El Salvador and he goes right back into be same cell he was in before you’ll be ok with that? What if we Zoom a court hearing?

 

[Marener]

It could have been handled better. But the thing is, is that the left was gonna find any reason to sink the deportation of illegals.

In reality, it is the left that has caused the suffering of these people by allowing them to cross the border in the first place.

There is no need to deprive people of human rights and send them to a foreign gulag without due process.

Don’t blame us for the cruelty of the Trump administration. Hell, a lot of the Venezuelans received protected status from Trump in 2020.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Yes the US sent a Salvadorian national to ElSalvador and didn’t check all the procedural boxes required. I’ve not said they didn’t. That said the US is not responsible for whanEl asap ador does with its citizens. We don’t get to tell them how to run their justice system. If you told me there were 10’s of thousands of people in prison in El Salvador who by our standards have had their rights violated I’d believe you. Is this guy different because he illegally immigrated to the US at some point in his life? Why do you think we have some special jurisdiction over what El Salvador does with regard to this man? At what point is the US no longer responsible for El Salvador violating the rights he would have if he were an American citizen living in the US? If we fly this guy to the US he has a hearing and we put him right back on a plane to El Salvador and he goes right back into be same cell he was in before you’ll be ok with that? What if we Zoom a court hearing?

The term you seek:
Fait accompli

No amount of whining a crying from the left will bring Garcia back; the more they carry on about this the more they will be painted as defending illegal immigrants and gang members.

 

[WorldWatcher]

It could have been handled better. But the thing is, is that the left was gonna find any reason to sink the deportation of illegals.

In reality, it is the left that has caused the suffering of these people by allowing them to cross the border in the first place.

Abrego Garcia's immigration case was in 2019. The administration at the time could have processed him for deportation.

Who was President in 2019?

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[konradv]

Maybe I'm just unlucky. Everything I see you post is "its a lie".

Pay attention! It explains why Trump gets away with so many lies.

 

[Seymour Flops]

No, that was a photo op. Trying to imply he's held in hotel like settings with fruity little drinks with the umbrella's in them.

This was the photo Abrego Garcia's wife used to ID him based on a head scar and tattoo. (Top Image)

Along with some more for inside.

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He's not dining like that every day, sure.

But he's not dead, murdered by the rival gangs that he supposedly feared.

He is in a prison with gang members, but there is discipline in that prison, so the prison murder rate is down, as is the murder rate in neighborhoods in El Salvador.

That’s not how the system works.

You mean that it wasn't how the system worked under Biden.

Under Trump - which the DOJ, and thus, immigration "judges" are under - that is exactly how the system works.

But even if it did, he should have the opportunity to challenge that action in federal court.

He did, and he was twice ruled a gang member. Gang leader in fact.

Once the executive declared his gang a terrorist organization, no further proof was needed to deport him.

But he was deprived that chance.

Poor deprived innocent!

No one is buying that anymore, no matter how hard the media tries to sell it.

 

[Marener]

Under Trump - which the DOJ, and thus, immigration "judges" are under - that is exactly how the system works.

Not according to SCOTUS who said he was illegally deported.

He did, and he was twice ruled a gang member. Gang leader in fact.

Once the executive declared his gang a terrorist organization, no further proof was needed to deport him.

He has a right to challenge that determination. The court’s previous rulings were only for bond hearings and do not adhere to the level of evidence needed. In fact, the allegations were double hearsay.

Poor deprived innocent!

No one is buying that anymore, no matter how hard the media tries to sell it.

People who know the facts believe it. You believe the liars.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Not according to SCOTUS who said he was illegally deported.

No, they did not.

Stop lying.

He has a right to challenge that determination. The court’s previous rulings were only for bond hearings and do not adhere to the level of evidence needed. In fact, the allegations were double hearsay.

People who know the facts believe it. You believe the liars.

He can make any challenges he cares to from his own country. As we've seen, he is fine, not murdered or tortured or any of that other nonsense lefties on here were whining about.

Just like a convicted criminal who wants to appeal. He can appeal from prison, but the fact that he "wants to challenge" his conviction is not a get-out-of-jail-free card.

Refusing to accept the rulings of two different courts doesn't give him a stay-in-the-U.S.-free card. He had that from Biden for four years, but no more.

 

[Marener]

No, they did not.

Stop lying.

He can make any challenges he cares to from his own country. As we've seen, he is fine, not murdered or tortured or any of that other nonsense lefties on here were whining about.

Just like a convicted criminal who wants to appeal. He can appeal from prison, but the fact that he "wants to challenge" his conviction is not a get-out-of-jail-free card.

Refusing to accept the rulings of two different courts doesn't give him a stay-in-the-U.S.-free card. He had that from Biden for four years, but no more.

No, he can’t challenge our government’s actions from his gulag.

 

[Seymour Flops]

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The removal TO EL SALVADOR, not "the deportation."

Now will you stop lying about that, or will you continue to lie even after being proven wrong?

No, he can’t challenge our government’s actions from his gulag.

Of course he can. Again from your own post:

He argued in the freakin' Supreme Court from the "gulag."

BTW, if this is a "gulag" Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn would have loved to trade gulags!