It's Been One Week Since Charlie Kirk Was Assassinated

[Moonglow]

The right isn't into emotional outbursts. Is the right angry? Without a doubt but the anger and emotions are held in check

I think Charlie Kirk wouldn't want violence and riots

He'd prefer repression and lost rights.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Well, to start with, we can do actual background checks. that would be a good start.

If the media can find out all about Tyler Robinson's past in a few days, maybe look into him before he buys a gun.

We do have background checks. If you purchase a gun from a gun store, you are required to have one. Even at gun shows, you are required to have one. The gun show loophole that is often cited is when you buy a gun from someone out in the parking lot, which is going to happen no matter what laws are passed.

In regards to Robinsons past, what was there that would have prevented him from passing a background check?

 

[ThisIsMe]

Laws are meaningless if they are ineffective or not enforced.



You would?

Even though he didn't die, where are your posts against all the people (including Trump) who spread memes mocking the attack on Paul Pelosi?

Thats the difference...he didnt die, he went to the hospital and was out in 6 days. Thats not to make light of it, but had he died, people wouldnt have been mocking him

 

[JoeB131]

We do have background checks. If you purchase a gun from a gun store, you are required to have one. Even at gun shows, you are required to have one. The gun show loophole that is often cited is when you buy a gun from someone out in the parking lot, which is going to happen no matter what laws are passed.

In regards to Robinsons past, what was there that would have prevented him from passing a background check?

Guy, get real. The "background" check consists of someone pinky swearing they aren't criminals or drug abusers. We saw how useless that was in the Hunter Biden Trial.

Instead of filling out a form, do what banks and employers do, a REAL BACKGROUND CHECK.

Thats the difference...he didnt die, he went to the hospital and was out in 6 days. Thats not to make light of it, but had he died, people wouldnt have been mocking him

Bullshit. Some of those memes were pretty disgusting, making fun of the man being nearly beaten to death in his underwear.

"It's okay when we do it" is not an answer.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

You can show us proof only registered Democrats have abortions at anytime.

That might be true...but I certainly can't do it with anyone else...and why would I want to? what was even the point of your claim?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Guy, get real. The "background" check consists of someone pinky swearing they aren't criminals or drug abusers. We saw how useless that was in the Hunter Biden Trial.

Instead of filling out a form, do what banks and employers do, a REAL BACKGROUND CHECK.

There is no constitutional right between bankers and citizens being broken there JoeBob.
It's the media celebrity status for shooters/perps that makes it so attractive to the perp, if there is a constitutional amendment you would like to violate, ya might wanna look at the first, but like with the second I will oppose you.

"It's okay when we do it" is not an answer.

Who are you quoting? yourself? so far you are the only one to make that claim.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Guy, get real. The "background" check consists of someone pinky swearing they aren't criminals or drug abusers. We saw how useless that was in the Hunter Biden Trial.

The federal firearms background check looks through the NCIS for things like mental health, felonies, domestic violence etc. If that is failing its not because we dont have the process in place, its because agencies are not reporting and the database is outdated. So, perhaps we need to make sure that disqualifying infractions are properly reported.

Instead of filling out a form, do what banks and employers do, a REAL BACKGROUND CHECK.

Why would a credit check, employment history be relevant to purchasing a firearm? Maybe the drug test, but then again, drug convictions should show up on the NCIS check.

Bullshit. Some of those memes were pretty disgusting, making fun of the man being nearly beaten to death in his underwear.

"It's okay when we do it" is not an answer.

I never said it was ok, in either case, im saying, had paul been critically injured or died, you wouldnt have seen people mocking him like that.

 

[JoeB131]

The federal firearms background check looks through the NCIS for things like mental health, felonies, domestic violence etc. If that is failing its not because we dont have the process in place, its because agencies are not reporting and the database is outdated. So, perhaps we need to make sure that disqualifying infractions are properly reported.

Or we could assign someone to actually, you know, check.

Why would a credit check, employment history be relevant to purchasing a firearm? Maybe the drug test, but then again, drug convictions should show up on the NCIS check.

Oh, I don't know, finding out the guy just got fired would probably stop a workplace shooting.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[ThisIsMe]

Or we could assign someone to actually, you know, check.

They do check. We just need to make sure the database is accurate. Unless you think there's going to be a governemnt branch that investigates people, interviews friends, family and co workers, calls former employers and asks about their opinions on the person, for every firearm application they get.

Oh, I don't know, finding out the guy just got fired would probably stop a workplace shooting.

Would it? Id be curious of the number of people each year, who get fired, immediately go out and buy a gun to do a workplace shooting. I would imagine that number is pretty small, but i get it, every life saved is important. Now, how about the people who wouldn't shoot anyone?

How long after a firing does someone have to go before they are eligible to buy a firearm?

 

[JoeB131]

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Again, most people I've seen have denounced his murder. We just don't pretend he was a nice guy.

 

[JoeB131]

They do check. We just need to make sure the database is accurate. Unless you think there's going to be a governemnt branch that investigates people, interviews friends, family and co workers, calls former employers and asks about their opinions on the person, for every firearm application they get.

no, guy, they don't check.

punching a name into a database and hoping you spelled it right isn't checking.

Checking is calling their family, their friends, the police department in their town, maybe their employer or school. (And if they are unemployed and not in school, that should be a big red flag.)

If someone had talked to VA Tech about Cho, they'd have found out he was so anti-social that they wouldn't let him into class with other students because he was creeping them the **** out.

If someone had talked to James "Joker" Holmes' school, they'd have found they were in the process of throwing him out because of his mental issues.

If someone had talked to the Highland Park PD, they'd have found Awake the Rapper had a lengthy police record.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Checking is calling their family, their friends, the police department in their town, maybe their employer or school. (And if they are unemployed and not in school, that should be a big red flag.)

How is not being employed or in school a red flag to a gun purchase?

 

[JoeB131]

How is not being employed or in school a red flag to a gun purchase?

It means you can't do basic functions in life.

 

[OODA_Loop]

It means you can't do basic functions in life.

What if was laid off? Couldn't afford school ?

 

[JoeB131]

What if was laid off? Couldn't afford school ?

Then he doesn't need a gun.

Frankly, those are the last people you want having guns. He just got laid off and wants to buy a gun now? That sounds like a workplace shooting looking for a place to happen.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Then he doesn't need a gun.

Frankly, those are the last people you want having guns. He just got laid off and wants to buy a gun now? That sounds like a workplace shooting looking for a place to happen.

What if he already owns five guns, including an AR15 and gets laid off but has had an interview and a good prospect of a job opportunity?

 

[JoeB131]

What if he already owns five guns, including an AR15 and gets laid off but has had an interview and a good prospect of a job opportunity?

Well, I'd be fine with the police holding on to his guns until he got a new job and finished his probationary period.

Look, we can't do much about the guns already out there, unfortunately.

But every mass shooter is usually someone who acquired his gun in the days or weeks before the shooting. Let's at least start there, M'kay?

 

[OODA_Loop]

Well, I'd be fine with the police holding on to his guns until he got a new job and finished his probationary period.

Look, we can't do much about the guns already out there, unfortunately.

But every mass shooter is usually someone who acquired his gun in the days or weeks before the shooting. Let's at least start there, M'kay?

What if you have a trust fund and don't work? Is that sufficient to get around your proposed ban of gun ownership by the unemployed?

 

[JoeB131]

What if you have a trust fund and don't work? Is that sufficient to get around your proposed ban of gun ownership by the unemployed?

What if you see Bigfoot running through your yard and you want to shoot him, but you don't have a gun, you can't shoot him.