It's Become Clear the Left Is Controlling the Dems

[Annie]

it really is all a matter of perspective, I will grant you that. In all fairness, I am a pretty moderate democrat myself ...the only issue I get really worked up over is Iraq. I have seen enough great laws made when smart people from both sides come to the middle to get too wrapped up in any leftist cause celebre.

I'll not disagree with that, but it would be great if you could ID the next Patrick Moynihan for me.

 

[maineman]

I'll not disagree with that, but it would be great if you could ID the next Patrick Moynihan for me.

keep your eye on Tom Allen....congressman from maine....moderate pragmatic.... the local buzz has it that he is considering a challenge to Susan Collins in '08. He could be a real player from the middle.

 

[Annie]

keep your eye on Tom Allen....congressman from maine....moderate pragmatic.... the local buzz has it that he is considering a challenge to Susan Collins in '08. He could be a real player from the middle.

Does he 'think' in the sense of a Moynihan or Lieberman? I can't say I see alot of Conservative thinkers, but some. Mark Kirk, though he voted with the stupid resolution the other day. Johnson from TX sounded statemanlike the other day. Actually Collins deserves to lose or change parties.

 

[maineman]

I "think" so, but you may not agree

 

[Annie]

I "think" so, but you may not agree

I can't find anything in 'news' search other than his entering a bill to bring all troops home by 12/07. That to me is currently the democratic thinking. Got anything else?

 

[maineman]

I can't find anything in 'news' search other than his entering a bill to bring all troops home by 12/07. That to me is currently the democratic thinking. Got anything else?

he is right with me on that, my most important topic...and having met and spoken with him on several occasions, I was impressed by his wisdom and moderation on many other issues - from tax policy to health care. Just keep an eye out for him....Susie may kick his ass in '08 and then he'll disappear.

 

[LOki]

having worked for John Baldacci way back when he was a state senator, I can tell you he is just about as moderate to conservative a democrat as there is in the party. you clearly don't know what you're talking about.... and the fact that my state is a blue state does not mean that it is controlled by the liberal wing of my party.

LOLsome. State healthcare, state bailout of failing papermills, state reinforcement and expansion of state education programs, expansion of state land holdings--all "moderately" done for "the common good" no doubt.

 

[maineman]

LOLsome. State healthcare, state bailout of failing papermills, state reinforcement and expansion of state education programs, expansion of state land holdings--all "moderately" done for "the common good" no doubt.

Baldacci's plan for the consolidation of school districts has pissed off LOTS of liberals but will save the state billions of dollars.... and yeah...I think that the lands for maine future program is definitely for the common good.... and the bailouts of papermills saved hundreds of maine jobs.... there was little opposition to either of those initiatives. Where do YOU live, Loki?

 

[LOki]

Baldacci's plan for the consolidation of school districts has pissed off LOTS of liberals but will save the state billions of dollars.... and yeah...I think that the lands for maine future program is definitely for the common good.... and the bailouts of papermills saved hundreds of maine jobs.... there was little opposition to either of those initiatives.

Opposition or not, let's no longer bandy about the leftist premises of such state power-grabs.

Where do YOU live, Loki?

Not relevent. But what is relevent is that wherever I live, I don't possess any baggage resulting from any personal experience I have of the guy--but I can read his record, and judge his leftistness by it. He's right of Che Guevara, but that's no argument he's not leftist. Moreover, i'ts no argument that the democratic party is not steered by leftists.

 

[maineman]

Opposition or not, let's no longer bandy about the leftist premises of such state power-grabs.

Not relevent. But what is relevent is that wherever I live, I don't possess any baggage resulting from any personal experience I have of the guy--but I can read his record, and judge his leftistness by it. He's right of Che Guevara, but that's no argument he's not leftist.

it kinda depends on who is describing his "record" don't you think? and the argument that he is not a leftist is that he sits right of center in his party....

like I said, however...it's all relative.... you call Baldacci a leftist and I call you a fascist....they're just names in any case.

 

[LOki]

it kinda depends on who is describing his "record" don't you think?

Well, I used his, and his administration's, web pages for descriptions of his record.

and the argument that he is not a leftist is that he sits right of center in his party....

Ah, that special right of left-center, yet left of center is not left argument--got ya.

like I said, however...it's all relative.... you call Baldacci a leftist ...

And appropriately so, because "leftist" has a meaning.

...and I call you a fascist....

You could, but "fascist" has a meaning.

...they're just names in any case.

Sure they are, but they are names with actual prescise meanings, and not the relativist meanings conveniently invoked to disguise one's embarassing premises.

 

[maineman]

when "leftist" is used as a derrogatory term, it deserves to be answered accordingly. Of COURSE John Baldacci is left of William F. Buckley... he's a DEMOCRAT, for crissakes! In the ranks of MY party, he is right of center. YOU assholes who persist in wanting to make democrat a dirty word, should not bitch because the political debate is now poisonous.... you should not bitch when LEFTISTS like myself get sick at the thought of having to share good air with republicans like yourself.

 

[maineman]

and please... for the record...what is the "actual precise" meaning of the word "leftist"?

and would the same person that YOU call a "leftist" be considered a leftist in a european country, for example? one would assume so since its meaning is so precise.

 

[LOki]

when "leftist" is used as a derrogatory term, it deserves to be answered accordingly.

You presume a great deal. I don't use "leftist" as degrogatory term, as there is plenty good to be said of some leftist notions--but you have me when I use the term "socialist," which a boatload of leftists are, particularly in the US. Socialists are a bunch of useless retards trying to grab a free ride by vote, rather than merit. The Democratic Party is rife with socialists.

Of COURSE John Baldacci is left of William F. Buckley... he's a DEMOCRAT, for crissakes! In the ranks of MY party, he is right of center.

Yet still leftist is my point, while being his rightish leftistness appears to be yours.

YOU assholes who persist in wanting to make democrat a dirty word, should not bitch because the political debate is now poisonous.... you should not bitch when LEFTISTS like myself get sick at the thought of having to share good air with republicans like yourself.

You'll need to demonstrate how republican I really am. I may be an asshole, but I'm not a presumptuous dipshit. I object to having to share good air with presumptuous dipshits, leftist or otherwise.

and please... for the record...what is the "actual precise" meaning of the word "leftist"?

Politically, "leftist" describes the political positions associated with state interventionism in the economy towards egalitarian wealth redistribution, and socialized services; leftists promote the notions of cultural equality, egalitarian social justice, and democratic principles for establishing social stratifcations.

and would the same person that YOU call a "leftist" be considered a leftist in a european country, for example?

Yes.

one would assume so since its meaning is so precise.

"One" would assume correctly, because I (at least) use the term prescisely.

 

[glockmail]

and please... for the record...what is the "actual precise" meaning of the word "leftist"?

and would the same person that YOU call a "leftist" be considered a leftist in a european country, for example? one would assume so since its meaning is so precise.

Who cares what they think of you in Europe? It seems to me that's your basic problem.

 

[maineman]

Who cares what they think of you in Europe? It seems to me that's your basic problem.

actually, besides my bad heart, my only real problem in life is figuring out where to bury the bodies of all the asshole smart alec conservatives like you that darken my doorstep from time to time.

 

[glockmail]

actually, besides my bad heart, my only real problem in life is figuring out where to bury the bodies of all the asshole smart alec conservatives like you that darken my doorstep from time to time.

Interesting way to avoid the issue raised. So you are not simply a socialist, but a Nazi.

 

[glockmail]

... my bad heart... .

By the way, underneath that stunning red ski jacket beats a heart at a cool 60/ minute, cholesterol and the blood pressure off the charts low. It must suck to be you.

 

[Adam's Apple]

Oh no, I'm speaking now of the 'moderates' like Hillary, not even mentioning Murtha and Co. Hillary & Edwards have been villified, even Obama has gotten some for not 'cutting the funding' from the left. Moveon has too much power, the DNC knows it, but not sure what to do about it.

If there are "moderate" Democrats in Washington, they have absolutely no power in their party.

 

[maineman]

By the way, underneath that stunning red ski jacket beats a heart at a cool 60/ minute, cholesterol and the blood pressure off the charts low. It must suck to be you.

heart rate 54.... BP 120/68 cholesterol 130

I'm doin' OK