It's About Time

[montelatici]

Maybe montelatici should get together with those South Africans who have visited Israel and say that there is no Apartheid there. As for the Rev. Hedding, he actually lives in Israel and sees what is happening there all the time.

REV. MALCOLM HEDDING: THE GROSS LIE OF ?ISRAELI APARTHEID?- FROM ONE WHO EXPERIENCED THE REAL THING | RUTHFULLY YOURS

Why don't you read what Rev. Hedding said he would say to this Bishop if he were face to face with him? And by the way, the Rev. Hedding actually lives in Israel while Tutu does not.

So, you believe the word of one white South African, an Israeli paid propagandist, instead of non-White South Africans who lived under Apartheid. Figures.

 

[Sally]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9SgUdjNKXs

Why don't you read what Rev. Hedding said he would say to this Bishop if he were face to face with him? And by the way, the Rev. Hedding actually lives in Israel while Tutu does not.

So, you believe the word of one white South African, an Israeli paid propagandist, instead of non-White South Africans who lived under Apartheid. Figures.

Attention: Attention: montelatici must think we are all asleep at the switch and don't recognize her as a Muslim propagandist. Here she is claiming that the Rev. Hedding, who himself fought Apartheid in South Africa, is a paid propagandist for Israel. Strange how we have seen many Muslims like montelatici say that about someone because they want to discredit him. By the way, the Rev. Hedding happens to know Bishop Tutu and would ask him why in the world is he saying that about Israel. Would you also claim that the Africans who visited Israel and say there is no Apartheid are also paid propagandists because you would not like what they say? For all we know maybe you are a paid propagandist who tries to throw that label on others so that the readers don't think that you are the one who is being paid.

 

[montelatici]

Hedding was white, how could he know what Apartheid was for the non-whites. Why don't you think before you write.

 

[Sally]

Hedding was white, how could he know what Apartheid was for the non-whites. Why don't you think before you write.

Are you really that dense, Haniya? There were many Caucasians who lived in South Africa who knew and even observed the poor condition for the Blacks. Youy're trying too hard to demonize Israel, but I guess that's what a lot of Muslims try to do.

 

[montelatici]

Hedding was white, how could he know what Apartheid was for the non-whites. Why don't you think before you write.

Are you really that dense, Haniya? There were many Caucasians who lived in South Africa who knew and even observed the poor condition for the Blacks. Youy're trying too hard to demonize Israel, but I guess that's what a lot of Muslims try to do.

Again, how can a white South African know what Apartheid was like if he/she wasn't a non-white. That's like saying a white would have known how it was like living as a slave in the South. Why don't you just think logically.

 

[Sally]

Hedding was white, how could he know what Apartheid was for the non-whites. Why don't you think before you write.

Are you really that dense, Haniya? There were many Caucasians who lived in South Africa who knew and even observed the poor condition for the Blacks. Youy're trying too hard to demonize Israel, but I guess that's what a lot of Muslims try to do.

Again, how can a white South African know what Apartheid was like if he/she wasn't a non-white. That's like saying a white would have known how it was like living as a slave in the South. Why don't you just think logically.

You don't think think that there were Southerners who knew how slaves were treated and the conditions they had to live under? Why don't you think logically? You are trying too hard to demonize Israel to realize that you actually look foolish trying to discredit a man who knew what was going on. He is not the only one who knew, and there were other Whites who tried to help the Blacks.

 

[montelatici]

Ok one white South African says that Israel isn't practicing Apartheid and the the non-white church leaders of South Africa who were affected by Apartheid say he is full of shit. Who are you going to believe?

 

[Sally]

Hedding was white, how could he know what Apartheid was for the non-whites. Why don't you think before you write.

Are you really that dense, Haniya? There were many Caucasians who lived in South Africa who knew and even observed the poor condition for the Blacks. Youy're trying too hard to demonize Israel, but I guess that's what a lot of Muslims try to do.

Again, how can a white South African know what Apartheid was like if he/she wasn't a non-white. That's like saying a white would have known how it was like living as a slave in the South. Why don't you just think logically.

Wake up from your Islamist stupor. People don't have to be of a certain race to see how another race lives. You must think that people are as dumb as you are and are unable to observe what is going on.

 

[Lipush]

Yup, one idiot, probably paid by the Israelis is more believable than all the South African christian leaders. LOL



"Christian leaders in South Africa have thrown their full support behind Israeli Apartheid Week (IAW), a global campaign to educate and mobilize the public against Israeli violations of Palestinian rights.

On Sunday, Anglican Archbishop Emeritus of Cape Town Desmond Tutu reiterated his support for IAW and for the Palestinian-led campaign of boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) on Israel.

“People who are denied their dignity and rights deserve the solidarity of their fellow human beings,” Tutu said in a statement.

“I have witnessed the racially segregated roads and housing in the Holy Land that reminded me so much of the conditions we experienced in South Africa under Apartheid,” Tutu added.

“Their humiliation is familiar to all black South Africans who were corralled and harassed and insulted and assaulted by the security forces of the Apartheid government.”

Recalling the role of BDS in ending apartheid in South Africa, Tutu said the “same issues of inequality and injustice today motivate the divestment movement trying to end Israel’s decades-long occupation of Palestinian territory and the unfair and prejudicial treatment of the Palestinian people by the Israeli government ruling over them.”

“I associate myself with the objectives of the 10th international Israeli Apartheid Week.”

Church backing

Tutu’s backing reflects much broader support among South African Christian leaders.

“We urge churches to campaign for greater awareness on all Palestinian struggles in general and the plight of Palestinian Christians in particular,” the South African Council of Churches said in the concluding statement of its conference last month.

“We also request churches to dedicate Sunday services on 16 March during the upcoming Israeli Apartheid Week campaign to reflect and pray for peace with justice in Palestine and Israel.”

The statement urged “all parties concerned to work towards a just peace and reiterated our solidarity and support for all those working towards this goal.”

The campaign group BDS South Africa published several video statements from South African church leaders."

**** you, you anti-Israeli idiot.

Israel exists, get over it. We mop the floor with the Jihadist losers, and we're proud of it.

 

[Phoenall]

This is a speech from the 1950s in support of white-rule in South Afirca. Notice how this fellow sounds so similar to the Israeli right or wrongers that post here. It's uncany.

"Africa south of the Equator, I shall say this without fear of reasonable contradiction: ever) millimetre of progress in all that vast area is due entirely to the White Man. You are familiar with the cry that came floating over the ocean from the West-a cry that "colonialism" is outmoded and pernicious, a cry that is being vociferously echoed by a certain gentleman in the East. (This refers to Jawaharlal Nehru, Prime Minister of India.)

May I point out that African colonies are of comparatively recent date Before that time Black Africa did have independence for a thousand years and more-and what did she make of it? One problem, I admit, she did solve most effectively. There was no overpopulation. Interminable savage inter tribal wars, witchcraft, disease, famine, and even cannibalism saw to that.

Let me turn to my subject, to that part of Africa south of the Sahara which, historically, is not part of Black Africa at all - my own country. Its position is unique in Africa as its racial problem is unique in the world.

South Africa is no more the original home of its black Africans, the Bantu than it is of its white Africans. Both races went there as colonists and, what is more, as practically contemporary colonists. In some parts the Bantu arrived first, in other parts the Europeans were the first comers.
South Africa contains the only independent white nation in all Africa ~. South African nation which has no other homeland to which it could retreat; a nation which has created a highly developed modern state, and t which occupies a position of inestimable importance
South Africa is the only independent country in the world in which white * people are outnumbered by black people. Including all coloured races or peoples the proportion in Brazil is 20 to 1. In South Africa it is 1 to 4.
This brings me to the question of the future. To me there seems to be two possible lines of development: Apartheid or Partnership. Partnership means Cooperation of the individual citizens within a single community, irrespective of race.... (It) demands that there shall be no discrimination whatsoever in trade and industry, in the professions and the Public Service. Therefore, whether a man is black or a white African, must according to this policy be as irrelevant as whether in London a man is a Scotsman or an Englishman. I take it: that Partnership must also aim at the eventual disappearance of all social segregation based on race. This policy of Partnership admittedly does not envisage immediate adult suffrage. Obviously, however, the loading of the franchise in order to exclude the great majority of the Bantu could be no wore than a temporary expedient.... (In effect) "there must one day be black domination, in the sense that power must pass to the immense African majority. Need I say more to show that this policy of Partnership could, in South Africa, only mean the eventual disappearance of the white South African nation? And will you be greatly surprised if I tell you that this white nation is not prepared to commit national suicide, not even by slow poisoning? The only alternative is a policy of apartheid, the policy of separate development. The germ of this policy is inherent in almost all of our history, implanted there by the force of circumstances.... Apartheid is a policy of self preservation."


Modern History Sourcebook: A. L. Geyer: Case for Apartheid 1953

What has this deflection and derailment have to do with the thread topic, why do you always go of topic and then whinge about others doing the same thing. Is it your ISLAMONAZI mentality that you can do what you want and the rest have to do as you say.............

 

[Phoenall]

Yup, one idiot, probably paid by the Israelis is more believable than all the South African christian leaders. LOL



"Christian leaders in South Africa have thrown their full support behind Israeli Apartheid Week (IAW), a global campaign to educate and mobilize the public against Israeli violations of Palestinian rights.

On Sunday, Anglican Archbishop Emeritus of Cape Town Desmond Tutu reiterated his support for IAW and for the Palestinian-led campaign of boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) on Israel.

“People who are denied their dignity and rights deserve the solidarity of their fellow human beings,” Tutu said in a statement.

“I have witnessed the racially segregated roads and housing in the Holy Land that reminded me so much of the conditions we experienced in South Africa under Apartheid,” Tutu added.

“Their humiliation is familiar to all black South Africans who were corralled and harassed and insulted and assaulted by the security forces of the Apartheid government.”

Recalling the role of BDS in ending apartheid in South Africa, Tutu said the “same issues of inequality and injustice today motivate the divestment movement trying to end Israel’s decades-long occupation of Palestinian territory and the unfair and prejudicial treatment of the Palestinian people by the Israeli government ruling over them.”

“I associate myself with the objectives of the 10th international Israeli Apartheid Week.”

Church backing

Tutu’s backing reflects much broader support among South African Christian leaders.

“We urge churches to campaign for greater awareness on all Palestinian struggles in general and the plight of Palestinian Christians in particular,” the South African Council of Churches said in the concluding statement of its conference last month.

“We also request churches to dedicate Sunday services on 16 March during the upcoming Israeli Apartheid Week campaign to reflect and pray for peace with justice in Palestine and Israel.”

The statement urged “all parties concerned to work towards a just peace and reiterated our solidarity and support for all those working towards this goal.”

The campaign group BDS South Africa published several video statements from South African church leaders."

More ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA AND BLOOD LIBELS. How soon before we see the pallywood production.

Now do explain again how Israel is apartheid when its non Jews experience better conditions than its Jews. Or are you telling the board that fatah have surrendered all of the west bank and signed it over to Israel.

Try reading the Oslo Accords to see just what Israel can do under treaty in the west bank, another slap in the face for islam and treaties.

 

[Phoenall]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9SgUdjNKXs

Why don't you read what Rev. Hedding said he would say to this Bishop if he were face to face with him? And by the way, the Rev. Hedding actually lives in Israel while Tutu does not.

So, you believe the word of one white South African, an Israeli paid propagandist, instead of non-White South Africans who lived under Apartheid. Figures.

DO you mean the ISLAMONAZI PAID PROPAGANDIST and LIAR FOR ISLAM. Now that figures for an ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDIST like yourself.
Even when faced with the truth from a reputable source you still believe the proven lies of the ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA MACHINE

 

[Phoenall]

Hedding was white, how could he know what Apartheid was for the non-whites. Why don't you think before you write.

By the same token how would you know what apartheid was like being an American muslim convert divorced from apartheid by millions of miles. Try looking at the hamas charter that defines true apartheid in it refusal to allow Jews to live in Palestine.

 

[Phoenall]

Hedding was white, how could he know what Apartheid was for the non-whites. Why don't you think before you write.

Are you really that dense, Haniya? There were many Caucasians who lived in South Africa who knew and even observed the poor condition for the Blacks. Youy're trying too hard to demonize Israel, but I guess that's what a lot of Muslims try to do.

Again, how can a white South African know what Apartheid was like if he/she wasn't a non-white. That's like saying a white would have known how it was like living as a slave in the South. Why don't you just think logically.

How can a white convert to islam know what it is like in Palestine when they have never been there ?

 

[Phoenall]

Ok one white South African says that Israel isn't practicing Apartheid and the the non-white church leaders of South Africa who were affected by Apartheid say he is full of shit. Who are you going to believe?

And you can produce all 5,000 non White priests testimony on that can you, or is it just a handful of self serving racists that you have found on one of your ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA web sites

 

[Roudy]

This is a speech from the 1950s in support of white-rule in South Afirca. Notice how this fellow sounds so similar to the Israeli right or wrongers that post here. It's uncany.

"Africa south of the Equator, I shall say this without fear of reasonable contradiction: ever) millimetre of progress in all that vast area is due entirely to the White Man. You are familiar with the cry that came floating over the ocean from the West-a cry that "colonialism" is outmoded and pernicious, a cry that is being vociferously echoed by a certain gentleman in the East. (This refers to Jawaharlal Nehru, Prime Minister of India.)

May I point out that African colonies are of comparatively recent date Before that time Black Africa did have independence for a thousand years and more-and what did she make of it? One problem, I admit, she did solve most effectively. There was no overpopulation. Interminable savage inter tribal wars, witchcraft, disease, famine, and even cannibalism saw to that.

Let me turn to my subject, to that part of Africa south of the Sahara which, historically, is not part of Black Africa at all - my own country. Its position is unique in Africa as its racial problem is unique in the world.

South Africa is no more the original home of its black Africans, the Bantu than it is of its white Africans. Both races went there as colonists and, what is more, as practically contemporary colonists. In some parts the Bantu arrived first, in other parts the Europeans were the first comers.
South Africa contains the only independent white nation in all Africa ~. South African nation which has no other homeland to which it could retreat; a nation which has created a highly developed modern state, and t which occupies a position of inestimable importance
South Africa is the only independent country in the world in which white * people are outnumbered by black people. Including all coloured races or peoples the proportion in Brazil is 20 to 1. In South Africa it is 1 to 4.
This brings me to the question of the future. To me there seems to be two possible lines of development: Apartheid or Partnership. Partnership means Cooperation of the individual citizens within a single community, irrespective of race.... (It) demands that there shall be no discrimination whatsoever in trade and industry, in the professions and the Public Service. Therefore, whether a man is black or a white African, must according to this policy be as irrelevant as whether in London a man is a Scotsman or an Englishman. I take it: that Partnership must also aim at the eventual disappearance of all social segregation based on race. This policy of Partnership admittedly does not envisage immediate adult suffrage. Obviously, however, the loading of the franchise in order to exclude the great majority of the Bantu could be no wore than a temporary expedient.... (In effect) "there must one day be black domination, in the sense that power must pass to the immense African majority. Need I say more to show that this policy of Partnership could, in South Africa, only mean the eventual disappearance of the white South African nation? And will you be greatly surprised if I tell you that this white nation is not prepared to commit national suicide, not even by slow poisoning? The only alternative is a policy of apartheid, the policy of separate development. The germ of this policy is inherent in almost all of our history, implanted there by the force of circumstances.... Apartheid is a policy of self preservation."


Modern History Sourcebook: A. L. Geyer: Case for Apartheid 1953

Sounds like Arab / Muslim persecution and oppression of non Muslims after they they have invaded raped, and looted.

History of Dhimmitude

Dhimmitude can only be understood in the context of jihad, because it originates from this ideology. Infidels who submit without fighting to the Islamic armies, are granted a pledge of security. They are protected from the jihad laws against infidels which command killing, slavery, ransom or deportation for the enemies. Peace and security for non-Muslims are recognised only after their submission. Protection status is provided through the Islamization of conquered lands.

Rules of dhimmitude

The vanquished non-Muslims peoples are granted security for their life and possessions, as well as a relative self-autonomous administration and limited religious rights according to the modalities of the conquest. These rights are subject to two conditions: the payment of a poll tax (the jizya) and submission to the provisions of Islamic law.

The concept of toleration is linked to a number of discriminatory obligations in the economic, religious and social fields, imposed by the shari'a on the dhimmis. The transgression by the dhimmis of some of these obligations, abolished their protection, and threaten them with death or slavery. Dhimmis suffered many legal disabilities intended to reduce them to a condition of humiliation, segregation and discrimination. These rules, established from the eight to nine centuries by the founders of the four schools of Islamic law, set the pattern of the Muslim's community's social behavior toward dhimmis.

Jews and Christians are referred to as the People of the Book, they share the same legal status, while other religious group - like the Zoroastrians for instance - were more despised and treated harsher.

Dhimmitude covers more than a millennium of Christian and Jewish history, as well as of other groups. It is a comprehensive civilization encompassing customs, legislation, social behavior. Numerous laws were enacted over the centuries by the Muslim authorities, to implement its principles.

Today the resurgence of traditional Islam revitalizes the spirit of jihad against the dar al-harb and of dhimmitude for the non-Muslim minorities.

 

[Roudy]

[ame=http://youtube.com/watch?v=Eupkfyd1ulc]Is Israel An Apartheid State? - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Roudy]

Doesn't sound like a "paid idiot" to me:

[ame=http://youtube.com/watch?v=v27sNLIEOes]Mandela legislator: Arabs misappropriate "apartheid" to slander Israel- MP Kenneth Meshoe - YouTube[/ame]

 

[MJB12741]

Face it folks. Israel is so damn apartheid that it is the only country in the entire Middle East to have citizens of most living faiths, races & ethnicities including Muslim Palestinians with equal voting rights in the Israeli Knesset.

Just curious, how many Christians & Jews are represented in the governments of the non apartheid Arab countries with equal voting rights?

 

[montelatici]

Ok one white South African says that Israel isn't practicing Apartheid and the the non-white church leaders of South Africa who were affected by Apartheid say he is full of shit. Who are you going to believe?

And you can produce all 5,000 non White priests testimony on that can you, or is it just a handful of self serving racists that you have found on one of your ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA web sites

Well, this is from a Catholic site, I guess to you the Catholics are Islamnazi. LOL


"South African Churches call for prayers during Israeli Apartheid Week"

"Following the conclusion of their Triennial Conference the South African Council of Churches (SACC) have issued a statement in which they express concern over the increasing violence and widening gap between the rich and the poor in South Africa. They also called for all parties concerned to work towards a just peace in Israel and Palestine and request churches to dedicate Sunday services on 16 March during Israeli Apartheid Week to reflect and pray for peace with justice in Palestine and Israel."

South African Churches call for prayers during Israeli Apartheid Week on Independent Catholic News