It Took Tom Cotton Less Than A Minute To Invoke Hitler In First Senate Speech

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"It Took Tom Cotton Less Than A Minute To Invoke Hitler In First Senate Speech"

Without facts and the truth in support of their positions, most on the right must resort to demagoguery and fear-mongering.

 

[Edgetho]

As is your entire position and statement.

Onus is on you to refute my position.

Onus is on you to provide sources for your assertions.

World Leaders Condemn Acts By Paul Rubio 47 Traitors Who Sent Letter To Iran - Petition Soars

World Leaders Condemn Acts By Paul, Rubio & 47 ‘Traitors’ Who Sent Letter To Iran

Highly sensitive weapons negotiations between seven nations, including the U.S., China, Russia, France, UK, Germany, and Iran have been compromised this past week by what some call a treasonous letter written to Iran by 47 U.S. Republican lawmakers.

This act has caused outrage nationwide against the signees of the letter. Two of the names contained in the message are 2016 Republican presidential candidates Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) and Senator Marco Rubio After condemnation came from the American people, President Obama, Democrats and evenRepublicans, world leaders/officials are now expressing their shock and disgust.

Karen De Young with The Washington Post relays some of the quotes in an article. The German Foreign Minister had this to say:

“Suddenly, Iran can say to us: ‘Are your proposals actually trustworthy if 47 senators say that no matter what the government agrees to, we can subsequently take it off the table?’ ” German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said during a visit to Washington.

De Young continues:

Even before Steinmeier’s visit on Thursday, Germany, Britain and France had repeatedly expressed concern about congressional interference in the talks.

Ambassadors from the three Western European countries have been a frequent presence on Capitol Hill, trying to persuade lawmakers to hold off on new Iran sanctions or any other legislation related to the negotiations while they are underway.

Iran’s Foreign Minister Zarif replied to the letter calling it a ‘propaganda ploy.’

Zarif expressed astonishment that some members of US Congress find it appropriate to write to leaders of another country against their own President and administration. He pointed out that from reading the open letter, it seems that the authors not only do not understand international law, but are not fully cognizant of the nuances of their own Constitution when it comes to presidential powers in the conduct of foreign policy.


Republicans Feeling Heat Over Iran Letter Express Regrets - Bloomberg Politics

Round-Up Editorial Boards From Around the Country Respond to the 47 Republican Senators The White House

AL – Anniston Star Editorial: “Editorial: An Ignoble Letter From 47 Senators.” “An open letter to the 47 U.S. senators who signed a letter addressed to Iran’s political leaders: We are struck by your letter that condescendingly attempts to lecture Iran’s leadership on the fine points of the U.S. Constitution while at the same time blatantly trampled on the constitutionally defined roles in foreign affairs of presidents and members of Congress. In short, the chief executive negotiates and the Senate ratifies, or not, as the case may be. Yet, your letter is a clear attempt to preemptively wreck the president’s attempts at a settlement to put Iran’s nuclear ambitions in check. And this provocative letter is well beyond the protocol for how the U.S. government negotiates international treaties.”

AZ – AZ Republic: Editorial: “47 Senators Stomp On The Constitution.” “While their concerns may be valid, it is no business of senators to interfere with the negotiations of the elected official with the authority to barter with Iran, the president … If that is the best argument Republicans can make for inserting themselves in sensitive foreign-policy negotiations, they are effectively declaring a congressional right to conduct subversive, foreign-policy proxy wars with the president, with threats to blow up agreement negotiations as their weapon of choice … Show us where that is to be found in the U.S. Constitution.

KY – The Courier Journal Editorial: “Senate Saboteurs.” “Has Congress gone crazy?…A blatant attempt to sabotage the discussions to limit Iran’s nuclear capacity, the letter is signed by by 47 GOP senators, aligning themselves — President Obama noted ironically — with hardliners in Iran who oppose any deal with the United States."

OH – Cleveland Plain Dealer Editorial: “A Deeply Misguided Senate Letter To The Leaders Of Iran: Editorial.” “The decision by 47 Republican senators to sign a patronizing open letter to the leaders of Iran seeking to instruct them on how the U.S. constitutional system works -- and, by the way, to upend talks closing in on a nuclear weapons deal -- is as depressingly partisan as it is shortsighted…But the magnitude of this disgraceful decision -- only seven sitting Republican senators declined to sign the letter -- shows the degree to which partisanship has gobbled up rationality on foreign policy. This letter was a stunt that grossly oversteps the bounds of what is proper and wise.”

UT – Salt Lake Tribune Editorial:“Editorial: Utah Senators Increase Risk Of War.” “It will be up to history to judge whether the latest partisan stunt joined by Utah Sens. Mike Lee and Orrin Hatch amounts to an act of End Times warmongering or merely another bit of cringe-worthy buffoonery on the global stage."​

So what do you have to support your position?

I have the fact that the letter was not sent to anyone. It was an open letter published on a senators website. Had the letter actually been sent to anyone I would agree with you. As it wasn't there is nothing to complain about, officially. We can certainly say that their methods were stupid. But then we are talking about politicians. Most of them are stupid.

Publishing an open letter is the same thing as sending a private letter. That is how it works.

By PUBLISHING the SIGNED letter they de facto sent it out and yes, the Iranians received it because they responded to it.

So no, you can't hide behind that technicality because it is irrelevant in an open letter instance. It would only be relevant if wasn't published but then no one would know about it so what would have been the point?

We agree that it was the height of stupidity. It did a great deal of needless damage to US foreign policy and US credibility.

But the most serious damage of all was self inflicted. It proved that extremist rightwing Libertarians in the GOP cannot be trusted with governing. It proved that the establishment GOP cannot control the extremist rightwing Libertarians in the GOP either.

In fact since taking power the GOP has had a series of political disasters.

Is this going to be the last of them? My money is that what we have seen to date is just the opening salvo of what promises to be stupidity of epic proportions.

dimocraps are some stupid motherfuckers

Private is now the same as Public?

"Private" and "Public" are, in fact, Antonyms

Can someone just put these morons out of their misery?

 

[Derideo_Te]

Onus is on you to refute my position.

Onus is on you to provide sources for your assertions.

World Leaders Condemn Acts By Paul Rubio 47 Traitors Who Sent Letter To Iran - Petition Soars

World Leaders Condemn Acts By Paul, Rubio & 47 ‘Traitors’ Who Sent Letter To Iran

Highly sensitive weapons negotiations between seven nations, including the U.S., China, Russia, France, UK, Germany, and Iran have been compromised this past week by what some call a treasonous letter written to Iran by 47 U.S. Republican lawmakers.

This act has caused outrage nationwide against the signees of the letter. Two of the names contained in the message are 2016 Republican presidential candidates Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) and Senator Marco Rubio After condemnation came from the American people, President Obama, Democrats and evenRepublicans, world leaders/officials are now expressing their shock and disgust.

Karen De Young with The Washington Post relays some of the quotes in an article. The German Foreign Minister had this to say:

“Suddenly, Iran can say to us: ‘Are your proposals actually trustworthy if 47 senators say that no matter what the government agrees to, we can subsequently take it off the table?’ ” German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said during a visit to Washington.

De Young continues:

Even before Steinmeier’s visit on Thursday, Germany, Britain and France had repeatedly expressed concern about congressional interference in the talks.

Ambassadors from the three Western European countries have been a frequent presence on Capitol Hill, trying to persuade lawmakers to hold off on new Iran sanctions or any other legislation related to the negotiations while they are underway.

Iran’s Foreign Minister Zarif replied to the letter calling it a ‘propaganda ploy.’

Zarif expressed astonishment that some members of US Congress find it appropriate to write to leaders of another country against their own President and administration. He pointed out that from reading the open letter, it seems that the authors not only do not understand international law, but are not fully cognizant of the nuances of their own Constitution when it comes to presidential powers in the conduct of foreign policy.


Republicans Feeling Heat Over Iran Letter Express Regrets - Bloomberg Politics

Round-Up Editorial Boards From Around the Country Respond to the 47 Republican Senators The White House

AL – Anniston Star Editorial: “Editorial: An Ignoble Letter From 47 Senators.” “An open letter to the 47 U.S. senators who signed a letter addressed to Iran’s political leaders: We are struck by your letter that condescendingly attempts to lecture Iran’s leadership on the fine points of the U.S. Constitution while at the same time blatantly trampled on the constitutionally defined roles in foreign affairs of presidents and members of Congress. In short, the chief executive negotiates and the Senate ratifies, or not, as the case may be. Yet, your letter is a clear attempt to preemptively wreck the president’s attempts at a settlement to put Iran’s nuclear ambitions in check. And this provocative letter is well beyond the protocol for how the U.S. government negotiates international treaties.”

AZ – AZ Republic: Editorial: “47 Senators Stomp On The Constitution.” “While their concerns may be valid, it is no business of senators to interfere with the negotiations of the elected official with the authority to barter with Iran, the president … If that is the best argument Republicans can make for inserting themselves in sensitive foreign-policy negotiations, they are effectively declaring a congressional right to conduct subversive, foreign-policy proxy wars with the president, with threats to blow up agreement negotiations as their weapon of choice … Show us where that is to be found in the U.S. Constitution.

KY – The Courier Journal Editorial: “Senate Saboteurs.” “Has Congress gone crazy?…A blatant attempt to sabotage the discussions to limit Iran’s nuclear capacity, the letter is signed by by 47 GOP senators, aligning themselves — President Obama noted ironically — with hardliners in Iran who oppose any deal with the United States."

OH – Cleveland Plain Dealer Editorial: “A Deeply Misguided Senate Letter To The Leaders Of Iran: Editorial.” “The decision by 47 Republican senators to sign a patronizing open letter to the leaders of Iran seeking to instruct them on how the U.S. constitutional system works -- and, by the way, to upend talks closing in on a nuclear weapons deal -- is as depressingly partisan as it is shortsighted…But the magnitude of this disgraceful decision -- only seven sitting Republican senators declined to sign the letter -- shows the degree to which partisanship has gobbled up rationality on foreign policy. This letter was a stunt that grossly oversteps the bounds of what is proper and wise.”

UT – Salt Lake Tribune Editorial:“Editorial: Utah Senators Increase Risk Of War.” “It will be up to history to judge whether the latest partisan stunt joined by Utah Sens. Mike Lee and Orrin Hatch amounts to an act of End Times warmongering or merely another bit of cringe-worthy buffoonery on the global stage."​

So what do you have to support your position?

I have the fact that the letter was not sent to anyone. It was an open letter published on a senators website. Had the letter actually been sent to anyone I would agree with you. As it wasn't there is nothing to complain about, officially. We can certainly say that their methods were stupid. But then we are talking about politicians. Most of them are stupid.

Publishing an open letter is the same thing as sending a private letter. That is how it works.

By PUBLISHING the SIGNED letter they de facto sent it out and yes, the Iranians received it because they responded to it.

So no, you can't hide behind that technicality because it is irrelevant in an open letter instance. It would only be relevant if wasn't published but then no one would know about it so what would have been the point?

We agree that it was the height of stupidity. It did a great deal of needless damage to US foreign policy and US credibility.

But the most serious damage of all was self inflicted. It proved that extremist rightwing Libertarians in the GOP cannot be trusted with governing. It proved that the establishment GOP cannot control the extremist rightwing Libertarians in the GOP either.

In fact since taking power the GOP has had a series of political disasters.

Is this going to be the last of them? My money is that what we have seen to date is just the opening salvo of what promises to be stupidity of epic proportions.

dimocraps are some stupid motherfuckers

Private is now the same as Public?

"Private" and "Public" are, in fact, Antonyms

Can someone just put these morons out of their misery?

Ironic!

The act of PUBLISHING is the same as the act SENDING when it comes to letters.

Both actions result in the recipient RECEIVING the letter either publicly or privately depending upon the method chosen above.

Your home schooling left a lot to be desired, didn't it?

 

[Dot Com]

"It Took Tom Cotton Less Than A Minute To Invoke Hitler In First Senate Speech"

Without facts and the truth in support of their positions, most on the right must resort to demagoguery and fear-mongering.

Its what rw'ers do here when they run out of logical rebuttals which is FREQUENTLY.

 

[Seawytch]

I really don't see anything that surprising in Cotton's speech. It is SOP for Republicans to give speeches intended to make you shit your pants in fear nowadays.

That's because they have no policies...at least not any that the American people actually want anyway.

 

[Seawytch]

dimocraps are some stupid motherfuckers

Private is now the same as Public?

"Private" and "Public" are, in fact, Antonyms

Can someone just put these morons out of their misery?

So if I write a letter that says "Dear So and So" and publish it in a newspaper, it's different if the same letter is not published but sent directly to Mr. So and So? You'll have to explain the mental gymnastics you went through to come up with your conclusion.

The content of the letter is the same is it not? It was directly addressed was it not? The "open" letter did not say "To Anyone Reading This" did it?

 

[rightwinger]

dimocraps are some stupid motherfuckers

Private is now the same as Public?

"Private" and "Public" are, in fact, Antonyms

Can someone just put these morons out of their misery?

So if I write a letter that says "Dear So and So" and publish it in a newspaper, it's different if the same letter is not published but sent directly to Mr. So and So? You'll have to explain the mental gymnastics you went through to come up with your conclusion.

The content of the letter is the same is it not? It was directly addressed was it not? The "open" letter did not say "To Anyone Reading This" did it?

Are Republicans implying that their "open letters" are not to be taken seriously because they were never mailed?

 

[Seawytch]

dimocraps are some stupid motherfuckers

Private is now the same as Public?

"Private" and "Public" are, in fact, Antonyms

Can someone just put these morons out of their misery?

So if I write a letter that says "Dear So and So" and publish it in a newspaper, it's different if the same letter is not published but sent directly to Mr. So and So? You'll have to explain the mental gymnastics you went through to come up with your conclusion.

The content of the letter is the same is it not? It was directly addressed was it not? The "open" letter did not say "To Anyone Reading This" did it?

Are Republicans implying that their "open letters" are not to be taken seriously because they were never mailed?

With that excuse, Republicans are implying that they are not to be taken seriously.

 

[Derideo_Te]

dimocraps are some stupid motherfuckers

Private is now the same as Public?

"Private" and "Public" are, in fact, Antonyms

Can someone just put these morons out of their misery?

So if I write a letter that says "Dear So and So" and publish it in a newspaper, it's different if the same letter is not published but sent directly to Mr. So and So? You'll have to explain the mental gymnastics you went through to come up with your conclusion.

The content of the letter is the same is it not? It was directly addressed was it not? The "open" letter did not say "To Anyone Reading This" did it?

Are Republicans implying that their "open letters" are not to be taken seriously because they were never mailed?

With that excuse, Republicans are implying that they are not to be taken seriously.

By their actions they are proving that they cannot be taken seriously when it comes to governing.

They endlessly whine that Obama is incompetent but instead the incompetence of the GOP controlled Congress is just staggering in it's magnitude. It would be easier to ask what have they actually accomplished for this nation since they assumed office.

 

[rightwinger]

dimocraps are some stupid motherfuckers

Private is now the same as Public?

"Private" and "Public" are, in fact, Antonyms

Can someone just put these morons out of their misery?

So if I write a letter that says "Dear So and So" and publish it in a newspaper, it's different if the same letter is not published but sent directly to Mr. So and So? You'll have to explain the mental gymnastics you went through to come up with your conclusion.

The content of the letter is the same is it not? It was directly addressed was it not? The "open" letter did not say "To Anyone Reading This" did it?

Are Republicans implying that their "open letters" are not to be taken seriously because they were never mailed?

With that excuse, Republicans are implying that they are not to be taken seriously.

By their actions they are proving that they cannot be taken seriously when it comes to governing.

They endlessly whine that Obama is incompetent but instead the incompetence of the GOP controlled Congress is just staggering in it's magnitude. It would be easier to ask what have they actually accomplished for this nation since they assumed office.

The failed Republican Congress is showing why Republicans should not be trusted with running the country

Worst Congress in history. They can't actually accomplish anything so they do whatever possible to prevent others from accomplishing something

 

[Derideo_Te]

dimocraps are some stupid motherfuckers

Private is now the same as Public?

"Private" and "Public" are, in fact, Antonyms

Can someone just put these morons out of their misery?

So if I write a letter that says "Dear So and So" and publish it in a newspaper, it's different if the same letter is not published but sent directly to Mr. So and So? You'll have to explain the mental gymnastics you went through to come up with your conclusion.

The content of the letter is the same is it not? It was directly addressed was it not? The "open" letter did not say "To Anyone Reading This" did it?

Are Republicans implying that their "open letters" are not to be taken seriously because they were never mailed?

With that excuse, Republicans are implying that they are not to be taken seriously.

By their actions they are proving that they cannot be taken seriously when it comes to governing.

They endlessly whine that Obama is incompetent but instead the incompetence of the GOP controlled Congress is just staggering in it's magnitude. It would be easier to ask what have they actually accomplished for this nation since they assumed office.

The failed Republican Congress is showing why Republicans should not be trusted with running the country

Worst Congress in history. They can't actually accomplish anything so they do whatever possible to prevent others from accomplishing something

Does setting the record for consecutive do nothing congresses count as an "accomplishment"?

Boehner is definitely the frontrunner for worst Speaker of all time IMO.

 

[Edgetho]

That government is best which governs least. ~
Thomas Jefferson

douchebag

 

[rightwinger]

So if I write a letter that says "Dear So and So" and publish it in a newspaper, it's different if the same letter is not published but sent directly to Mr. So and So? You'll have to explain the mental gymnastics you went through to come up with your conclusion.

The content of the letter is the same is it not? It was directly addressed was it not? The "open" letter did not say "To Anyone Reading This" did it?

Are Republicans implying that their "open letters" are not to be taken seriously because they were never mailed?

With that excuse, Republicans are implying that they are not to be taken seriously.

By their actions they are proving that they cannot be taken seriously when it comes to governing.

They endlessly whine that Obama is incompetent but instead the incompetence of the GOP controlled Congress is just staggering in it's magnitude. It would be easier to ask what have they actually accomplished for this nation since they assumed office.

The failed Republican Congress is showing why Republicans should not be trusted with running the country

Worst Congress in history. They can't actually accomplish anything so they do whatever possible to prevent others from accomplishing something

Does setting the record for consecutive do nothing congresses count as an "accomplishment"?

Boehner is definitely the frontrunner for worst Speaker of all time IMO.

Little question Boehner is the worst speaker of all time

He has accomplished nothing and allowed the Government to shut down because he can't control his party

Can't wait for Pelosi to come back

 

[rightwinger]

That government is best which governs least. ~
Thomas Jefferson

douchebag

Jeffersonian Perspective That government is best...

That government is best which governs least" is a motto with which Henry David Thoreau opens his pamphlet, Civil Disobedience. It has been attributed to Thomas Jefferson, but no one has ever found it in any of Jefferson's writings. I think an argument can be made that it is not very likely he would ever have made such a statement, because it does not square with his views.
Jefferson was not very fond of abstract, ideological theories of government. His ideas were expressed in the form of practical principles, not in abstract generalities. "All men are created equal" refers to the political standing of people in a society. A government that "governs least" leaves too many questions unanswered. What is least? Less government requires some kind of rational guideline more than just that indefinite statement. Jefferson did not express a belief in limited government as an arbitrary generality; rather, he frequently referred to principles whose effect would be the limitation of government within proper bounds. For example, he believed that government should be shaped by the will of the people. As he wrote:

• 
  "It accords with our principles to acknowledge any government to be rightful which is formed by the will of the nation substantially declared." --Thomas Jefferson to G. Morris, 1792.

In other words, there is no indication that his theories of the scope of government were formed apart from its necessary function founded on the will of the people. He believed the people should be free to experiment with government, to add and subtract as they went along. As he wrote to John Adams,

• 
  "This I hope will be the age of experiments in government, and that their basis will be founded in principles of honesty, not of mere force." --Thomas Jefferson to J. Adams, 1796.

 

[orogenicman]

WASHINGTON -- It's hard to believe freshman Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) caused such a stir in the Senate with his letter to Iran even before his maiden floor speech. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), who led an unsuccessful fight against Obamacare, couldn't even do that.

But Cotton -- now famous for orchestrating the controversial letter to Iran with the signatures of 46 of his GOP colleagues -- finally got the chance to do just that on Monday evening. Cotton began, as one does, with Adolf Hitler.

"The world is growing ever more dangerous, and our defense spending is wholly inadequate to confront the danger," Cotton said. "To be exact, during the last four or five years, the world has grown gravely darker. We have steadily disarmed, partly with a sincere desire to give a lead to other countries and partly due to the severe financial pressure of the time. But a change must now be made. We must not continue longer on a course in which we alone are growing weaker while every other nation is growing stronger."

He continued: "I wish I could take credit for those eloquent but ominous words, but I cannot. Winston Churchill sounded that warning in 1933 as Adolf Hitler had taken power in Germany. Tragically, Great Britain and the West didn't heed this warning, when they might have strangled that monster in his crib. Rather they let the locust continue to eat away at the common defense."

More: It Took Tom Cotton Less Than A Minute To Invoke Hitler In First Senate Speech

Cotton is a scary dude - and not in a good way.

Isn't it interesting how the Republicans are so concerned about the size of government in every way except when the military-industrial complex profits, except when they can find a way to get us into another unnecessary war? When you can't lead, you start a war (or else make people afraid of a bogeyman so they can believe one is necessary) to distract the masses from the fact that you can't lead.

 

[Derideo_Te]

That government is best which governs least. ~
Thomas Jefferson

douchebag

Jefferson never said that.

 

[The Rabbi]

I really don't see anything that surprising in Cotton's speech. It is SOP for Republicans to give speeches intended to make you shit your pants in fear nowadays.

That's because they have no policies...at least not any that the American people actually want anyway.

Which is why Americans overwhelmingly rejected Republicans last November. Oh, wait.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

That government is best which governs least. ~
Thomas Jefferson

douchebag

Least, as opposed to not at all, as is the case with Republicans.

 

[Derideo_Te]

That government is best which governs least. ~
Thomas Jefferson

douchebag

Least, as opposed to not at all, as is the case with Republicans.

Shutting down the government is not governing, it is an abdication of their oath to uphold the Constitution!

 

[healthmyths]

WASHINGTON -- It's hard to believe freshman Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) caused such a stir in the Senate with his letter to Iran even before his maiden floor speech. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), who led an unsuccessful fight against Obamacare, couldn't even do that.

But Cotton -- now famous for orchestrating the controversial letter to Iran with the signatures of 46 of his GOP colleagues -- finally got the chance to do just that on Monday evening. Cotton began, as one does, with Adolf Hitler.

"The world is growing ever more dangerous, and our defense spending is wholly inadequate to confront the danger," Cotton said. "To be exact, during the last four or five years, the world has grown gravely darker. We have steadily disarmed, partly with a sincere desire to give a lead to other countries and partly due to the severe financial pressure of the time. But a change must now be made. We must not continue longer on a course in which we alone are growing weaker while every other nation is growing stronger."

He continued: "I wish I could take credit for those eloquent but ominous words, but I cannot. Winston Churchill sounded that warning in 1933 as Adolf Hitler had taken power in Germany. Tragically, Great Britain and the West didn't heed this warning, when they might have strangled that monster in his crib. Rather they let the locust continue to eat away at the common defense."

More: It Took Tom Cotton Less Than A Minute To Invoke Hitler In First Senate Speech

Cotton is a scary dude - and not in a good way.

What is scary about learning from the past?
Obviously you never heard of Hitler in school.
Maybe you should pay attention in history classes to find out what "scary" really is!
Maybe you need visual aids...
Now this is what Hitler did...