It takes 3/4 of the States to ratify an Amendment to the Constitution: The Electoral College is safe

[Indeependent]

the end of the two party system in the US

Well I'm sold. Let's get started.

the tyranny of the mob.

Oh, true democracy would be such a tyrannical nightmare! The horror!

Democracies crumble. Republics last longer. Be patient. When Democracies crumble, Strongmen come in to pick up the pieces, right after they murder off a quarter or more of the population when their weak cabinets really screw things up.

And that’s exactly why the Libs want to disarm Americans.

 

[Timmy]

the end of the two party system in the US

Well I'm sold. Let's get started.

the tyranny of the mob.

Oh, true democracy would be such a tyrannical nightmare! The horror!

Democracies crumble. Republics last longer. Be patient. When Democracies crumble, Strongmen come in to pick up the pieces, right after they murder off a quarter or more of the population when their weak cabinets really screw things up.

And that’s exactly why the Libs want to disarm Americans.

Cons are the ones out to steal votes .

 

[Indeependent]

the end of the two party system in the US

Well I'm sold. Let's get started.

the tyranny of the mob.

Oh, true democracy would be such a tyrannical nightmare! The horror!

Democracies crumble. Republics last longer. Be patient. When Democracies crumble, Strongmen come in to pick up the pieces, right after they murder off a quarter or more of the population when their weak cabinets really screw things up.

And that’s exactly why the Libs want to disarm Americans.

Cons are the ones out to steal votes .

Unlike yourself, I’m not a fan of either Party.
I have worked elections and both parties utilize the same tricks.

 

[beautress]

Y’all be singing a different tune if the EC ignored the votes and decided to put in Hillary .

Which is allowed under the EC system .

And you wouldn't be singing "I like it!!" nonstop for twelve weeks? <ahem>

 

[DOTR]

There truly is no part of the constitution they don’t hate.
Public education did this.

 

[beautress]

the end of the two party system in the US

Well I'm sold. Let's get started.

the tyranny of the mob.

Oh, true democracy would be such a tyrannical nightmare! The horror!

Democracies crumble. Republics last longer. Be patient. When Democracies crumble, Strongmen come in to pick up the pieces, right after they murder off a quarter or more of the population when their weak cabinets really screw things up.

And that’s exactly why the Libs want to disarm Americans.

Cons are the ones out to steal votes .

Unlike yourself, I’m not a fan of either Party.
I have worked elections and both parties utilize the same tricks.

Nobody operates so well on a snake snot level as the Demmies, doll. And they actually brag about it when they get high.

 

[Lesh]

Relax, never happen. The EC is here to stay.

WTA could make it moot

 

[DOTR]

Abolish the Electoral College? Proceed at One's Own Risk.​

Abolish the Electoral College? Proceed at One's Own Risk. | RealClearPolitics
April 4, 2019 ~ By Susan Crabtree
The push to abolish the Electoral College is picking up steam as Democrats turn their attention to the 2020. Former Attorney General Eric Holder is among the latest high-profile Democrats to call for eliminating the age-old system, deeming it a “vestige of the past” and “undemocratic.” Some of the Democrats in the crowded 2020 field, ranging from South Bend, Ind., Mayor Peter Buttigieg to Sens. Elizabeth and Kirsten Gillibrand, had previously sounded the call. Warren has argued for a change in which “every vote matters.” ~ Abolish the Electoral College? Proceed at One's Own Risk.
A group of big-state Democratic senators, including Gillibrand (New York), Dick Durbin (Illinois), and Dianne Feinstein (California), introduced a constitutional amendment Tuesday that would jettison the Electoral College. The measure is mostly an exercise to spur debate because such amendments require two-thirds majority votes in both the chambers of Congress, and GOP Senate leaders would no doubt block it from receiving any floor consideration....If American history is any guide, however, both major political parties should be careful what they wish for. Altering the Constitution doesn’t always produce the expected consequences.


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The elimination of the Electoral College means the end of the two party system in the US. Without 51 individual, including DC, winner take all elections for POTUS there is no reason structural reason why there cannot be more than 2 major political parties. Depending on the system used the US will have 3 to perhaps a dozen credible parties in a popular vote presidential system.
Proceed at One's Own Risk. Like 1913, with the direct election of Senators.
Amending or not amending the Constitution based on today's political calculations is a monument to stupidity.
The Electoral College has a purpose. And even though the small Blue States are doing their best to deny themselves the protection of the E.C. system, it should remain in place. The EC is specifically designed to protect the Republic from the tyranny of the mob. see the Federalist Papers #45 for details.
The Federalist #45

Eliminating this Constitutional requirement will not eliminate parties or a two party system. The election will still be winner take all...unless you plan on having a dozen presidents sharing power proportionate to their vote?
I had better shut up now...nothing is too crazy for these people.

 

[beautress]

the end of the two party system in the US

Well I'm sold. Let's get started.

the tyranny of the mob.

Oh, true democracy would be such a tyrannical nightmare! The horror!

Democracies crumble. Republics last longer. Be patient. When Democracies crumble, Strongmen come in to pick up the pieces, right after they murder off a quarter or more of the population when their weak cabinets really screw things up.

And that’s exactly why the Libs want to disarm Americans.

Cons are the ones out to steal votes .

Our precinct chairpersons don't lose our election boxes on election day right at closing time, doll.

 

[beautress]

Relax, never happen. The EC is here to stay.

WTA could make it moot

After Ilhan the Jew-Hater and AOC the greedy grabber of taxpayer assets you really think your party will ever do another Winner Takes All to make things available to them all to destroy the rights of smaller states, Lushie? What'er you smokin'?

 

[captkaos]

The world’s first democracy was ancient Athens, which allowed around 30,000 free adult male citizens to choose their leaders. They made up less than 15 percent of the population, but it was the most egalitarian political innovation to date.

It didn’t take long for the system to implode amid rampant corruption, an economic downturn, immigration headaches and unpopular foreign wars. (Sound familiar?) The plan of “one man, one vote” devolved into a kind of mob rule, the populace veering with wild swings of opinion. Voters overthrew leaders, exiled the unpopular, and executed generals and politicians – even Socrates himself.

As the saying goes, democracy is four wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. The Founders looked to Athens less as a political model than an object lesson in what not to do.

James Madison said that democracies are “incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.”

Therefore, America was set up as a republic, filled with countless checks and balances to avoid one group gaining power and using it to punish or exclude everyone they didn’t like.

The Electoral College is undemocratic? Of course. That's why it works

This push to gut our Constitution is the fruits of the Left controlling the education system and dumbing down the younger generations.

We need to return to only letting white men who actually own land vote.

Well since banks actually own the land in most cases until a mortgage is paid off. That wouldn't leave a lot of voters! And Racists are just Socialists with a bad attitude...…... and a baseball bat of course!

 

[Norman]

Violates one man, one vote

Some votes count more than others

I don't know where you got the idea that this was a democracy.

When US was built, most people couldn't vote. Only male land owners could. It was a far superior arrangement.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

It is unconstitutional if a State awards its Electoral College votes to popular vote winner if the State voted against the popular vote. The Constitution guarantees a republican form of Government to the States. Disenfranchising the states voters would violate that protection.

 

[hunarcy]

It is unconstitutional if a State awards its Electoral College votes to popular vote winner if the State voted against the popular vote. The Constitution guarantees a republican form of Government to the States. Disenfranchising the states voters would violate that protection.

Actually, it's not unconstitutional, as the Constitution says that a state legislature can choose to award its electoral college votes as they choose. But, I wonder how the population of the State will react if their votes are ignored as is being suggested.

 

[rightwinger]

The state can decide how their votes are allocated
Nothing in the Constitution tells how that process is executed

 

[bendog]

It is unconstitutional if a State awards its Electoral College votes to popular vote winner if the State voted against the popular vote. The Constitution guarantees a republican form of Government to the States. Disenfranchising the states voters would violate that protection.

Actually, it's not unconstitutional, as the Constitution says that a state legislature can choose to award its electoral college votes as they choose. But, I wonder how the population of the State will react if their votes are ignored as is being suggested.

Well W and Jeb were prepared to do that in Fla in 2000 if the recount went bad but …….

Seriously, wouldn't individual states have to choose by holding an up or down vote on the decision to allocate their EV's in a specific manner?

 

[hunarcy]

It is unconstitutional if a State awards its Electoral College votes to popular vote winner if the State voted against the popular vote. The Constitution guarantees a republican form of Government to the States. Disenfranchising the states voters would violate that protection.

Actually, it's not unconstitutional, as the Constitution says that a state legislature can choose to award its electoral college votes as they choose. But, I wonder how the population of the State will react if their votes are ignored as is being suggested.

Well W and Jeb were prepared to do that in Fla in 2000 if the recount went bad but …….

Seriously, wouldn't individual states have to choose by holding an up or down vote on the decision to allocate their EV's in a specific manner?

It's up to the legislature in that state. "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress..." Article 2 Section 1 Clause 2

 

[TNHarley]

It is unconstitutional if a State awards its Electoral College votes to popular vote winner if the State voted against the popular vote. The Constitution guarantees a republican form of Government to the States. Disenfranchising the states voters would violate that protection.

It isnt.
It might piss the citizens off though.
Hopefully they will ask what they want.
I will add, i completely support the EC.

 

[Lesh]

It is unconstitutional if a State awards its Electoral College votes to popular vote winner if the State voted against the popular vote. The Constitution guarantees a republican form of Government to the States. Disenfranchising the states voters would violate that protection.

Actually, it's not unconstitutional, as the Constitution says that a state legislature can choose to award its electoral college votes as they choose. But, I wonder how the population of the State will react if their votes are ignored as is being suggested.

They already are. My neighbor votes reliably Republican and my state gives it's electoral votes to the Dem every time

 

[Harpy Eagle]

It is unconstitutional if a State awards its Electoral College votes to popular vote winner if the State voted against the popular vote. The Constitution guarantees a republican form of Government to the States. Disenfranchising the states voters would violate that protection.

Oh look, the 29th thread on this topic. I am sure this one will be the one that solves it.