It really is just personal responsibility at this point

[Synthaholic]

 

[Synthaholic]

Have you drank your piss yet, Trumpers?

 

[Synthaholic]

If you're drinking pee to fight Covid, urine idiot.

 

[marvin martian]

And he still has better trigger discipline than Alec Baldwin.

LOL

 

[Synthaholic]

And he still has better trigger discipline than Alec Baldwin.

LOL

Did you drink your piss today wingnut?

 

[Synthaholic]

 

[Synthaholic]

I am personally offering to pee on any Republican looking for an alternative cure for Covid.

 

[marvin martian]

I am personally offering to pee on any Republican looking for an alternative cure for Covid.

Or on anyone for any reason, I'm sure.

 

[Synthaholic]

Or on anyone for any reason, I'm sure.

 

[Synthaholic]

 

[Synthaholic]

 

[BackAgain]

I saved this in my Bookmarks back in April but forgot to post it. David Frum pretty much expresses my feelings about it at this point. If people want to take the chance it's totally on them. The motorcycle helmet analogy is spot on.

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In 2016, poor health strongly predicted Trump voting. A county's rate of diabetes, alcohol consumption, obesity, etc. predicted its propensity to vote Trump *even better* than race/education. thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2017/01/0…


America’s Health and The 2016 Election: An Unexpected ConnectionBy JEFF GOLDSMITH Donald Trump’s stunning upset victory has occasioned a lot of searching among political analysts for an underlying explanation for the unexpected turn in voter sentiment. Many point …America’s Health and The 2016 Election: An Unexpected Connection





I think of that grim relationship between Trump and sickness as I read the latest stories about how so many Republicans continue to refuse COVID vaccines. 2/x


washingtonpost.com/health/2021/04…



As @DKThomp points out, vaccine refusal is especially strong among younger Republicans 3/x






The self-harm of Trump voters should concern us all. They are fellow human beings. And because their self-harm also drives them to dangerous political extremes, their self-harm is also an important civic matter too. BUT ... 4/x

... there's an issue of personal responsibility here too. A heroic scientific effort - achieved at huge cost - has delivered vaccines that are astonishingly effective at protecting life from COVID. So effective that we may not need to worry about herd immunity. If so ... 5/x

... If so, if the vaccines work as well as they seem to work, then vaccine refusal really does become a personal decision, like a motorcyclist refusing to wear a helmet.

I believe we ought to try to save people from self-harm. But there are practical limits to paternalism 6/x

Trump and the Fox leadership have vaccinated themselves of course. But they have a different message for their followers. They have persuaded them that it's a test of identity and loyalty to refuse COVID protection. 7/x

Just as Sarah Palin once waged culture war against healthy eating theatlantic.com/culture/archiv…

and as Senator Joni Ernst has done the same more recently. iowafieldreport.com/congress/joni-… 8/x




Joni Ernst: In the Left’s War on Meat, I’ll Stand Up for Iowa FarmersLiberal activists have a First Amendment right to say or preach what they’d like, but our federal agencies shouldn’t be encouraging people to ban agricultural products at the expense of America’s hard…Joni Ernst: In the Left’s War on Meat, I’ll Stand Up for Iowa Farmers

In War Against the Obamas, Palin Drops Cookie Bomb

And brings treats to elementary school to teach kids about "laissez-faire" government.

www.theatlantic.com

In War Against the Obamas, Palin Drops Cookie Bomb And brings treats to elementary school to teach kids about "laissez-faire" government.In War Against the Obamas, Palin Drops Cookie Bomb





The gun issue is also one of self-harm and harm to loved ones. Almost 25,000 Americans a year use guns to end their lives. Thousands more are horribly injured in gun accidents that would never have happened without a firearm in the home. 9/x

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.A look at the data on murders, suicides and other gun deaths in the U.S. and how they have changed over time.What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.






The people who voted Trump and watch Fox are victims of a slow-rolling national tragedy. But they are not *only* victims. They bear responsibility too for the harm they do themselves and their families. 10/x

In the earlier phases of COVID, we were all in it together. One person's reckless behavior endangered his or her more prudent neighbor. As highly effective vaccines spread, however, the harm of COVID denial increasingly falls almost wholly on the denier. 11/x

Eventually a free society reaches the limits of its ability to protect the ignorant and careless from themselves - and what a society cannot do, it can have no duty to do. END
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Synthia! You do boring with charts and color.
And ennui still died of boredom.

 

[g5000]

David frum would cheer if every Muslim was exterminated...

As would Trump and not a few of the posters on this forum.

 

[BWK]

And he still has better trigger discipline than Alec Baldwin.

LOL

As would Trump and not a few of the posters on this forum.

How about all of them?

 

[Synthaholic]

What is ‘freedom’ in the context of an infectious disease? If you say: I decide the acceptable level of risk for me, that’s my ‘choice’. Then what about the risk you might pose to others? Is that your choice or theirs? If that’s your choice too then where is their freedom?

 

[Papageorgio]

I saved this in my Bookmarks back in April but forgot to post it. David Frum pretty much expresses my feelings about it at this point. If people want to take the chance it's totally on them. The motorcycle helmet analogy is spot on.

In 2016, poor health strongly predicted Trump voting. A county's rate of diabetes, alcohol consumption, obesity, etc. predicted its propensity to vote Trump *even better* than race/education. thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2017/01/0…


America’s Health and The 2016 Election: An Unexpected ConnectionBy JEFF GOLDSMITH Donald Trump’s stunning upset victory has occasioned a lot of searching among political analysts for an underlying explanation for the unexpected turn in voter sentiment. Many point …America’s Health and The 2016 Election: An Unexpected Connection


I think of that grim relationship between Trump and sickness as I read the latest stories about how so many Republicans continue to refuse COVID vaccines. 2/x


washingtonpost.com/health/2021/04

As @DKThomp points out, vaccine refusal is especially strong among younger Republicans 3/x



The self-harm of Trump voters should concern us all. They are fellow human beings. And because their self-harm also drives them to dangerous political extremes, their self-harm is also an important civic matter too. BUT ... 4/x

... there's an issue of personal responsibility here too. A heroic scientific effort - achieved at huge cost - has delivered vaccines that are astonishingly effective at protecting life from COVID. So effective that we may not need to worry about herd immunity. If so ... 5/x

... If so, if the vaccines work as well as they seem to work, then vaccine refusal really does become a personal decision, like a motorcyclist refusing to wear a helmet.

I believe we ought to try to save people from self-harm. But there are practical limits to paternalism 6/x

Trump and the Fox leadership have vaccinated themselves of course. But they have a different message for their followers. They have persuaded them that it's a test of identity and loyalty to refuse COVID protection. 7/x

Just as Sarah Palin once waged culture war against healthy eating theatlantic.com/culture/archiv…

and as Senator Joni Ernst has done the same more recently. iowafieldreport.com/congress/joni-… 8/x




Joni Ernst: In the Left’s War on Meat, I’ll Stand Up for Iowa FarmersLiberal activists have a First Amendment right to say or preach what they’d like, but our federal agencies shouldn’t be encouraging people to ban agricultural products at the expense of America’s hard…Joni Ernst: In the Left’s War on Meat, I’ll Stand Up for Iowa Farmers

In War Against the Obamas, Palin Drops Cookie Bomb

And brings treats to elementary school to teach kids about "laissez-faire" government.

www.theatlantic.com

In War Against the Obamas, Palin Drops Cookie Bomb And brings treats to elementary school to teach kids about "laissez-faire" government.In War Against the Obamas, Palin Drops Cookie Bom

The gun issue is also one of self-harm and harm to loved ones. Almost 25,000 Americans a year use guns to end their lives. Thousands more are horribly injured in gun accidents that would never have happened without a firearm in the home. 9/x

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.A look at the data on murders, suicides and other gun deaths in the U.S. and how they have changed over time.What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

The people who voted Trump and watch Fox are victims of a slow-rolling national tragedy. But they are not *only* victims. They bear responsibility too for the harm they do themselves and their families. 10/x

In the earlier phases of COVID, we were all in it together. One person's reckless behavior endangered his or her more prudent neighbor. As highly effective vaccines spread, however, the harm of COVID denial increasingly falls almost wholly on the denier. 11/x

Eventually a free society reaches the limits of its ability to protect the ignorant and careless from themselves - and what a society cannot do, it can have no duty to do. END
• • •

I agree, if someone wants to vaccinate, its fine, if they don't want to vaccinate, that is fine as well. People not vaccinating are a threat to no one.

 

[BWK]

What is ‘freedom’ in the context of an infectious disease? If you say: I decide the acceptable level of risk for me, that’s my ‘choice’. Then what about the risk you might pose to others? Is that your choice or theirs? If that’s your choice too then where is their freedom?

It's no different than driving drunk, while knowing you are endangering others.