It just dawned on me? God didnt create sin

[Aletheia4u]

God created all things.
He has created the tree of knowing good and evil. Adam and Eve never lusted after each other before they has ate from that tree.
But all of this is to strengthen our souls.
We were giving free-will and which we need things to be tempted by. That it will show what is truly in our hearts. And so he created these things to help deliver us from being evil.
Jesus came down to show us what we should have done. The thing that pleases God. And to show us how important to have God's spirit in us.
And so God is correcting His children, making them to become like Him.


Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things.

John 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Exodus 4:21 The Lord said to Moses, “When you return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you the power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go.

Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”

Hebrews 12:6 because the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.”

Revelation 3:19 Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent.

 

[barn sour]

God created all things.
He has created the tree of knowing good and evil. Adam and Eve never lusted after each other before they has ate from that tree.

I don't think that's correct. There is nothing wrong with lust if it's something that has been approved by God. God told them to be fruitful and multiply, so clearly they would have sex.

 

[Aletheia4u]

God created all things.
He has created the tree of knowing good and evil. Adam and Eve never lusted after each other before they has ate from that tree.

I don't think that's correct. There is nothing wrong with lust if it's something that has been approved by God. God told them to be fruitful and multiply, so clearly they would have sex.

You never see young children lusting after each other.
It says to love the Lord your God, and serve Him only. And Jesus told the men even if you have look at a woman with lust. You have committed adultery. It is because you were suppose to be married to God.
The ancient Hebrews weren't allowed to lust after their wives. When they had sex. They draped a sheet over their wives with a small hole in the sheet where they do the penetration. And the women of those times had to cover up from head to toe. Not exposing themselves around men. And if a men gets caught cheating. They stones the woman for seducing him by exposing herself to him.
And then how could Jacob not know that he was having sex with Leah instead of Rachel? It is because she was covered up with a blanket or sheet while they were having sex.

Desire, Lust, And Coveting: It's All The Same Word!

Desire can be good, bad, or neither. In the New Testament, lust, coveting, everyday neutral desires, and even holy desires are all covered by the same Greek noun (epithymia) and related verb (epithymeō).

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Romans 7:7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”

1 Corinthians 7:9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

1 Corinthians 7:38 So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does better.

Luke 4:8 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.’”

Matthew 18:3 And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Most people thinks that it is a myth of the Hebrews having sex with a hole in the sheet. But even Noah's sons weren't allowed to see their father's nakedness.
But after Jesus fulfilled the old covenant. He cleansed certain things.
But when we die. It says that we will be resurrected. That the memories of our old ways will be wiped away. That we will not crave after the flesh (Things of the physical nature) anymore.

 

[barn sour]

God created all things.
He has created the tree of knowing good and evil. Adam and Eve never lusted after each other before they has ate from that tree.

I don't think that's correct. There is nothing wrong with lust if it's something that has been approved by God. God told them to be fruitful and multiply, so clearly they would have sex.

You never see young children lusting after each other.
It says to love the Lord your God, and serve Him only. And Jesus told the men even if you have look at a woman with lust. You have committed adultery. It is because you were suppose to be married to God.

No, we were not supposed to be married to God. And I have no idea where you get the idea that Adam and Eve were young children. Instead of imagining what may have been, you should look at what is actually written. Adam and Eve were told to be fruitful and multiply. That means they were to become "one flesh" and have children.

The ancient Hebrews weren't allowed to lust after their wives. When they had sex. They draped a sheet over their wives with a small hole in the sheet where they do the penetration. And the women of those times had to cover up from head to toe. Not exposing themselves around men. And if a men gets caught cheating. They stones the woman for seducing him by exposing herself to him.
And then how could Jacob not know that he was having sex with Leah instead of Rachel? It is because she was covered up with a blanket or sheet while they were having sex.

The ancient Hebrews were adding rules and regulations that were never a part of God's commands. That was what man is always prone to do when he begins to think himself like God. And you have to be careful with your quotes and taking them in context.

What did Jesus say when He came. He said "You have heard it said...."Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matt. 5:27-28

No man commits adultery with his own wife. Therefore, a man's desire for his own wife is exactly what God intended. Your link explains that not all lust is evil. You can lust after righteousness for instance. We see the word covet and lust meaning the same thing and you have to look at the context to tell whether it's good or evil. For instance - 1 Cor. 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

 

[Aletheia4u]

God created all things.
He has created the tree of knowing good and evil. Adam and Eve never lusted after each other before they has ate from that tree.

I don't think that's correct. There is nothing wrong with lust if it's something that has been approved by God. God told them to be fruitful and multiply, so clearly they would have sex.

You never see young children lusting after each other.
It says to love the Lord your God, and serve Him only. And Jesus told the men even if you have look at a woman with lust. You have committed adultery. It is because you were suppose to be married to God.

No, we were not supposed to be married to God. And I have no idea where you get the idea that Adam and Eve were young children. Instead of imagining what may have been, you should look at what is actually written. Adam and Eve were told to be fruitful and multiply. That means they were to become "one flesh" and have children.

The ancient Hebrews weren't allowed to lust after their wives. When they had sex. They draped a sheet over their wives with a small hole in the sheet where they do the penetration. And the women of those times had to cover up from head to toe. Not exposing themselves around men. And if a men gets caught cheating. They stones the woman for seducing him by exposing herself to him.
And then how could Jacob not know that he was having sex with Leah instead of Rachel? It is because she was covered up with a blanket or sheet while they were having sex.

The ancient Hebrews were adding rules and regulations that were never a part of God's commands. That was what man is always prone to do when he begins to think himself like God. And you have to be careful with your quotes and taking them in context.

What did Jesus say when He came. He said "You have heard it said...."Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matt. 5:27-28

No man commits adultery with his own wife. Therefore, a man's desire for his own wife is exactly what God intended. Your link explains that not all lust is evil. You can lust after righteousness for instance. We see the word covet and lust meaning the same thing and you have to look at the context to tell whether it's good or evil. For instance - 1 Cor. 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

Not everyone marries just to be pleasured. Moses spent the rest of his life with God. Elijah and John spent most of his life in the desert restraining themselves from worldly pleasures.
And Mary was around 16 years old when she gave birth to Jesus. While Joseph was around 60. He wasn't alive to bury Jesus.
In those days. Women were not allowed to be aroused.

2 Timothy 3:4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God

 

[barn sour]

God created all things.
He has created the tree of knowing good and evil. Adam and Eve never lusted after each other before they has ate from that tree.

I don't think that's correct. There is nothing wrong with lust if it's something that has been approved by God. God told them to be fruitful and multiply, so clearly they would have sex.

You never see young children lusting after each other.
It says to love the Lord your God, and serve Him only. And Jesus told the men even if you have look at a woman with lust. You have committed adultery. It is because you were suppose to be married to God.

No, we were not supposed to be married to God. And I have no idea where you get the idea that Adam and Eve were young children. Instead of imagining what may have been, you should look at what is actually written. Adam and Eve were told to be fruitful and multiply. That means they were to become "one flesh" and have children.

The ancient Hebrews weren't allowed to lust after their wives. When they had sex. They draped a sheet over their wives with a small hole in the sheet where they do the penetration. And the women of those times had to cover up from head to toe. Not exposing themselves around men. And if a men gets caught cheating. They stones the woman for seducing him by exposing herself to him.
And then how could Jacob not know that he was having sex with Leah instead of Rachel? It is because she was covered up with a blanket or sheet while they were having sex.

The ancient Hebrews were adding rules and regulations that were never a part of God's commands. That was what man is always prone to do when he begins to think himself like God. And you have to be careful with your quotes and taking them in context.

What did Jesus say when He came. He said "You have heard it said...."Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matt. 5:27-28

No man commits adultery with his own wife. Therefore, a man's desire for his own wife is exactly what God intended. Your link explains that not all lust is evil. You can lust after righteousness for instance. We see the word covet and lust meaning the same thing and you have to look at the context to tell whether it's good or evil. For instance - 1 Cor. 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

Not everyone marries just to be pleasured. Moses spent the rest of his life with God. Elijah and John spent most of his life in the desert restraining themselves from worldly pleasures.
And Mary was around 16 years old when she gave birth to Jesus. While Joseph was around 60. He wasn't alive to bury Jesus.
In those days. Women were not allowed to be aroused.

2 Timothy 3:4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God

Your quote from 2 Tim. is totally taken out of context and does not mean what you claim.

 

[Aletheia4u]

God created all things.
He has created the tree of knowing good and evil. Adam and Eve never lusted after each other before they has ate from that tree.

I don't think that's correct. There is nothing wrong with lust if it's something that has been approved by God. God told them to be fruitful and multiply, so clearly they would have sex.

You never see young children lusting after each other.
It says to love the Lord your God, and serve Him only. And Jesus told the men even if you have look at a woman with lust. You have committed adultery. It is because you were suppose to be married to God.

No, we were not supposed to be married to God. And I have no idea where you get the idea that Adam and Eve were young children. Instead of imagining what may have been, you should look at what is actually written. Adam and Eve were told to be fruitful and multiply. That means they were to become "one flesh" and have children.

The ancient Hebrews weren't allowed to lust after their wives. When they had sex. They draped a sheet over their wives with a small hole in the sheet where they do the penetration. And the women of those times had to cover up from head to toe. Not exposing themselves around men. And if a men gets caught cheating. They stones the woman for seducing him by exposing herself to him.
And then how could Jacob not know that he was having sex with Leah instead of Rachel? It is because she was covered up with a blanket or sheet while they were having sex.

The ancient Hebrews were adding rules and regulations that were never a part of God's commands. That was what man is always prone to do when he begins to think himself like God. And you have to be careful with your quotes and taking them in context.

What did Jesus say when He came. He said "You have heard it said...."Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matt. 5:27-28

No man commits adultery with his own wife. Therefore, a man's desire for his own wife is exactly what God intended. Your link explains that not all lust is evil. You can lust after righteousness for instance. We see the word covet and lust meaning the same thing and you have to look at the context to tell whether it's good or evil. For instance - 1 Cor. 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

Not everyone marries just to be pleasured. Moses spent the rest of his life with God. Elijah and John spent most of his life in the desert restraining themselves from worldly pleasures.
And Mary was around 16 years old when she gave birth to Jesus. While Joseph was around 60. He wasn't alive to bury Jesus.
In those days. Women were not allowed to be aroused.

2 Timothy 3:4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God

Your quote from 2 Tim. is totally taken out of context and does not mean what you claim.

Paul and the apostles remained unmarried to live the rest of their lives serving God. But Paul didn't urged others to be like him. He told them that some are able and some aren't able. Everyone has their own gift.
But we weren't meant for sexual immorality, but only to serve the Lord.
I know that you live to please the body. That is why we are able to be tempted so easily. It is because we are so weak for the pleasurable things in life.

1 Corinthians 7:32 I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord’s affairs, how he can please the Lord.

John 5:30 By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

Philippians 3:19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is set on earthly things.

Matthew 26:41“Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.”

1 Corinthians 6:13 You say, “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food, and God will destroy them both.” The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.

Matthew 19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

Matthew 19:29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.

 

[barn sour]

God created all things.
He has created the tree of knowing good and evil. Adam and Eve never lusted after each other before they has ate from that tree.

I don't think that's correct. There is nothing wrong with lust if it's something that has been approved by God. God told them to be fruitful and multiply, so clearly they would have sex.

You never see young children lusting after each other.
It says to love the Lord your God, and serve Him only. And Jesus told the men even if you have look at a woman with lust. You have committed adultery. It is because you were suppose to be married to God.

No, we were not supposed to be married to God. And I have no idea where you get the idea that Adam and Eve were young children. Instead of imagining what may have been, you should look at what is actually written. Adam and Eve were told to be fruitful and multiply. That means they were to become "one flesh" and have children.

The ancient Hebrews weren't allowed to lust after their wives. When they had sex. They draped a sheet over their wives with a small hole in the sheet where they do the penetration. And the women of those times had to cover up from head to toe. Not exposing themselves around men. And if a men gets caught cheating. They stones the woman for seducing him by exposing herself to him.
And then how could Jacob not know that he was having sex with Leah instead of Rachel? It is because she was covered up with a blanket or sheet while they were having sex.

The ancient Hebrews were adding rules and regulations that were never a part of God's commands. That was what man is always prone to do when he begins to think himself like God. And you have to be careful with your quotes and taking them in context.

What did Jesus say when He came. He said "You have heard it said...."Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matt. 5:27-28

No man commits adultery with his own wife. Therefore, a man's desire for his own wife is exactly what God intended. Your link explains that not all lust is evil. You can lust after righteousness for instance. We see the word covet and lust meaning the same thing and you have to look at the context to tell whether it's good or evil. For instance - 1 Cor. 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

Not everyone marries just to be pleasured. Moses spent the rest of his life with God. Elijah and John spent most of his life in the desert restraining themselves from worldly pleasures.
And Mary was around 16 years old when she gave birth to Jesus. While Joseph was around 60. He wasn't alive to bury Jesus.
In those days. Women were not allowed to be aroused.

2 Timothy 3:4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God

It's quite possible and normal to love God and have a wife and sons, as Moses did.

Exodus 4:20 And Moses took his wife and his sons, and set them upon an ass, and he returned to the land of Egypt: and Moses took the rod of God in his hand.

 

[barn sour]

Paul and the apostles remained unmarried to live the rest of their lives serving God.

Paul didn't marry, but you need to check the facts. Matthew tells us that Peter had a wife. Matt. 8:14 And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.

And Paul tells us other apostles had wives as well.

1 Cor. 9:5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?

The elders were to be the husband of one wife. Are you suggesting they didn't serve the Lord?

 

[Aletheia4u]

God created all things.
He has created the tree of knowing good and evil. Adam and Eve never lusted after each other before they has ate from that tree.

I don't think that's correct. There is nothing wrong with lust if it's something that has been approved by God. God told them to be fruitful and multiply, so clearly they would have sex.

You never see young children lusting after each other.
It says to love the Lord your God, and serve Him only. And Jesus told the men even if you have look at a woman with lust. You have committed adultery. It is because you were suppose to be married to God.

No, we were not supposed to be married to God. And I have no idea where you get the idea that Adam and Eve were young children. Instead of imagining what may have been, you should look at what is actually written. Adam and Eve were told to be fruitful and multiply. That means they were to become "one flesh" and have children.

The ancient Hebrews weren't allowed to lust after their wives. When they had sex. They draped a sheet over their wives with a small hole in the sheet where they do the penetration. And the women of those times had to cover up from head to toe. Not exposing themselves around men. And if a men gets caught cheating. They stones the woman for seducing him by exposing herself to him.
And then how could Jacob not know that he was having sex with Leah instead of Rachel? It is because she was covered up with a blanket or sheet while they were having sex.

The ancient Hebrews were adding rules and regulations that were never a part of God's commands. That was what man is always prone to do when he begins to think himself like God. And you have to be careful with your quotes and taking them in context.

What did Jesus say when He came. He said "You have heard it said...."Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matt. 5:27-28

No man commits adultery with his own wife. Therefore, a man's desire for his own wife is exactly what God intended. Your link explains that not all lust is evil. You can lust after righteousness for instance. We see the word covet and lust meaning the same thing and you have to look at the context to tell whether it's good or evil. For instance - 1 Cor. 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

Not everyone marries just to be pleasured. Moses spent the rest of his life with God. Elijah and John spent most of his life in the desert restraining themselves from worldly pleasures.
And Mary was around 16 years old when she gave birth to Jesus. While Joseph was around 60. He wasn't alive to bury Jesus.
In those days. Women were not allowed to be aroused.

2 Timothy 3:4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God

It's quite possible and normal to love God and have a wife and sons, as Moses did.

Exodus 4:20 And Moses took his wife and his sons, and set them upon an ass, and he returned to the land of Egypt: and Moses took the rod of God in his hand.

I knew he has taken his wife with him. But in those days, the women were different from now. They didn't worried about the men coming home to fulfill their marital duties. Moses spent more time with Joshua on top of the mount than he had spent with his wife.
The wives didn't went around saying to their husband, "Come into the tent with me and make me feel good". Their purposes was to help to serve God's purposes.
But in our days. Women are lover of pleasure. If the women in our days goes back in those days,. The women in that time period will call them harlots.

Exodus 4:25 But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son’s foreskin and touched Moses’ feet with it. “Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me,” she said.

Genesis 16 Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian slave named Hagar; so she said to Abram, “The Lord has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my slave; perhaps I can build a family through her.” Abram agreed to what Sarai said. So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian slave Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife. ...

Genesis 30:3 Then she said, “Here is Bilhah, my servant. Sleep with her so that she can bear children for me and I too can build a family through her.”

Numbers 12:1 Miriam and Aaron began to talk against Moses because of his Cushite wife, for he had married a Cushite.

2 Corinthians 11:2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him.

1 Corinthians 7:28 But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.

1 Corinthians 7:34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world, how she can please her husband.

Luke 1:38“I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her.

1 Peter 3:5 For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to adorn themselves. They submitted themselves to their own husbands,

If the women were the same as the women of today? Moses will be unable to do God's will. Unless he makes a life size pillow of himself and leave it with his wife when he goes off to serve God.

 

[barn sour]

I knew he has taken his wife with him. But in those days, the women were different from now. They didn't worried about the men coming home to fulfill their marital duties. Moses spent more time with Joshua on top of the mount than he had spent with his wife.
The wives didn't went around saying to their husband, "Come into the tent with me and make me feel good". Their purposes was to help to serve God's purposes.
But in our days. Women are lover of pleasure. If the women in our days goes back in those days,. The women in that time period will call them harlots.

If the women were the same as the women of today? Moses will be unable to do God's will. Unless he makes a life size pillow of himself and leave it with his wife when he goes off to serve God.

Well well. I don't know why you bother quoting the Bible. Proof for your hatred of women will never be supported by the Bible.

Times have changed. Men are not the same as they were back in the day either. Your time would be better spent studying the truths in the Bible instead of using it to back up your false claims about how horrible women are. No offense intended.

 

[Andylusion]

Nor was Eve the first, it was Lucifer an angel who did the first sin in heaven, when he brought other fallen angels with him

So to start off, depending on perspective, what you said is true about the first sin. Obviously, the first sin to exist, existed before the world. This would be, as you suggested, when Lucifer rebelled against G-d.

Romans 5:12 actually makes it clear.

"Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned--"

So it doesn't say, Sin was created when one man.... or the first sin was when one man...

It says "sin entered the world", meaning it already existed, prior to the world.

Additionally, you'll notice it doesn't say Eve did it, but rather Adam. Eve was deceived. Adam, engaged in what he knew was wrong, which is why he is the one who brought sin into the world.

However, as far as "g-d created sin".

No... at least not from a literal perspective.

You could say that he created sin, by his existence... but that's not exactly the same as "creating sin".

Let me explain.

Does light create shadows? No. Not really, because a shadow, by definition, is a lack of light. And yet, if you think about it, without light there can be no shadows.

Similarly, without G-d, there can be no lack of G-d.

Without morals, there can be no evil.

Without anything that is defined as "right", there can be nothing defined as "wrong".

If G-d did not exist, there would be no moral code. No understanding of good or evil. We would be nothing more than the animals, that attack and kill each other with or without reason. Rodents that eat their own young. Lions that slaughter the Alpha male, and then as soon as gaining control of the pride, kill all the cubs of the prior male, and then rape all the female lions.

Hunter animals, that specifically target all the groups that we humans go out of our way to protect. They attack the young because they are inexperienced, the old because they are slow with age, and the infirm or crippled because they can't get away.

It is G-d himself, that makes what is evil, known. It is his light of what is good and right and moral, that exposes the shadows of what is evil and wicked and wrong.

This is why the bad people of this world, hate the good people of this world.

So no, G-d did not directly create sin... but his existences is what makes sin evidence in the world.

 

[Wyatt earp]

God created all things.
He has created the tree of knowing good and evil. Adam and Eve never lusted after each other before they has ate from that tree.

I don't think that's correct. There is nothing wrong with lust if it's something that has been approved by God. God told them to be fruitful and multiply, so clearly they would have sex.

You never see young children lusting after each other.
It says to love the Lord your God, and serve Him only. And Jesus told the men even if you have look at a woman with lust. You have committed adultery. It is because you were suppose to be married to God.

No, we were not supposed to be married to God. And I have no idea where you get the idea that Adam and Eve were young children. Instead of imagining what may have been, you should look at what is actually written. Adam and Eve were told to be fruitful and multiply. That means they were to become "one flesh" and have children.

The ancient Hebrews weren't allowed to lust after their wives. When they had sex. They draped a sheet over their wives with a small hole in the sheet where they do the penetration. And the women of those times had to cover up from head to toe. Not exposing themselves around men. And if a men gets caught cheating. They stones the woman for seducing him by exposing herself to him.
And then how could Jacob not know that he was having sex with Leah instead of Rachel? It is because she was covered up with a blanket or sheet while they were having sex.

The ancient Hebrews were adding rules and regulations that were never a part of God's commands. That was what man is always prone to do when he begins to think himself like God. And you have to be careful with your quotes and taking them in context.

What did Jesus say when He came. He said "You have heard it said...."Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matt. 5:27-28

No man commits adultery with his own wife. Therefore, a man's desire for his own wife is exactly what God intended. Your link explains that not all lust is evil. You can lust after righteousness for instance. We see the word covet and lust meaning the same thing and you have to look at the context to tell whether it's good or evil. For instance - 1 Cor. 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

Not everyone marries just to be pleasured. Moses spent the rest of his life with God. Elijah and John spent most of his life in the desert restraining themselves from worldly pleasures.
And Mary was around 16 years old when she gave birth to Jesus. While Joseph was around 60. He wasn't alive to bury Jesus.
In those days. Women were not allowed to be aroused.

2 Timothy 3:4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God

It's quite possible and normal to love God and have a wife and sons, as Moses did.

Exodus 4:20 And Moses took his wife and his sons, and set them upon an ass, and he returned to the land of Egypt: and Moses took the rod of God in his hand.

I knew he has taken his wife with him. But in those days, the women were different from now. They didn't worried about the men coming home to fulfill their marital duties. Moses spent more time with Joshua on top of the mount than he had spent with his wife.
The wives didn't went around saying to their husband, "Come into the tent with me and make me feel good". Their purposes was to help to serve God's purposes.
But in our days. Women are lover of pleasure. If the women in our days goes back in those days,. The women in that time period will call them harlots.

Exodus 4:25 But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son’s foreskin and touched Moses’ feet with it. “Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me,” she said.

Genesis 16 Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian slave named Hagar; so she said to Abram, “The Lord has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my slave; perhaps I can build a family through her.” Abram agreed to what Sarai said. So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian slave Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife. ...

Genesis 30:3 Then she said, “Here is Bilhah, my servant. Sleep with her so that she can bear children for me and I too can build a family through her.”

Numbers 12:1 Miriam and Aaron began to talk against Moses because of his Cushite wife, for he had married a Cushite.

2 Corinthians 11:2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him.

1 Corinthians 7:28 But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.

1 Corinthians 7:34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world, how she can please her husband.

Luke 1:38“I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her.

1 Peter 3:5 For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to adorn themselves. They submitted themselves to their own husbands,

If the women were the same as the women of today? Moses will be unable to do God's will. Unless he makes a life size pillow of himself and leave it with his wife when he goes off to serve God.

You do know Tamar , Bathsheba where Jesus great grandma's correct?

 

[Aletheia4u]

God created all things.
He has created the tree of knowing good and evil. Adam and Eve never lusted after each other before they has ate from that tree.

I don't think that's correct. There is nothing wrong with lust if it's something that has been approved by God. God told them to be fruitful and multiply, so clearly they would have sex.

You never see young children lusting after each other.
It says to love the Lord your God, and serve Him only. And Jesus told the men even if you have look at a woman with lust. You have committed adultery. It is because you were suppose to be married to God.

No, we were not supposed to be married to God. And I have no idea where you get the idea that Adam and Eve were young children. Instead of imagining what may have been, you should look at what is actually written. Adam and Eve were told to be fruitful and multiply. That means they were to become "one flesh" and have children.

The ancient Hebrews weren't allowed to lust after their wives. When they had sex. They draped a sheet over their wives with a small hole in the sheet where they do the penetration. And the women of those times had to cover up from head to toe. Not exposing themselves around men. And if a men gets caught cheating. They stones the woman for seducing him by exposing herself to him.
And then how could Jacob not know that he was having sex with Leah instead of Rachel? It is because she was covered up with a blanket or sheet while they were having sex.

The ancient Hebrews were adding rules and regulations that were never a part of God's commands. That was what man is always prone to do when he begins to think himself like God. And you have to be careful with your quotes and taking them in context.

What did Jesus say when He came. He said "You have heard it said...."Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matt. 5:27-28

No man commits adultery with his own wife. Therefore, a man's desire for his own wife is exactly what God intended. Your link explains that not all lust is evil. You can lust after righteousness for instance. We see the word covet and lust meaning the same thing and you have to look at the context to tell whether it's good or evil. For instance - 1 Cor. 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

Not everyone marries just to be pleasured. Moses spent the rest of his life with God. Elijah and John spent most of his life in the desert restraining themselves from worldly pleasures.
And Mary was around 16 years old when she gave birth to Jesus. While Joseph was around 60. He wasn't alive to bury Jesus.
In those days. Women were not allowed to be aroused.

2 Timothy 3:4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God

It's quite possible and normal to love God and have a wife and sons, as Moses did.

Exodus 4:20 And Moses took his wife and his sons, and set them upon an ass, and he returned to the land of Egypt: and Moses took the rod of God in his hand.

I knew he has taken his wife with him. But in those days, the women were different from now. They didn't worried about the men coming home to fulfill their marital duties. Moses spent more time with Joshua on top of the mount than he had spent with his wife.
The wives didn't went around saying to their husband, "Come into the tent with me and make me feel good". Their purposes was to help to serve God's purposes.
But in our days. Women are lover of pleasure. If the women in our days goes back in those days,. The women in that time period will call them harlots.

Exodus 4:25 But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son’s foreskin and touched Moses’ feet with it. “Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me,” she said.

Genesis 16 Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian slave named Hagar; so she said to Abram, “The Lord has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my slave; perhaps I can build a family through her.” Abram agreed to what Sarai said. So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian slave Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife. ...

Genesis 30:3 Then she said, “Here is Bilhah, my servant. Sleep with her so that she can bear children for me and I too can build a family through her.”

Numbers 12:1 Miriam and Aaron began to talk against Moses because of his Cushite wife, for he had married a Cushite.

2 Corinthians 11:2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him.

1 Corinthians 7:28 But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.

1 Corinthians 7:34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world, how she can please her husband.

Luke 1:38“I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her.

1 Peter 3:5 For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to adorn themselves. They submitted themselves to their own husbands,

If the women were the same as the women of today? Moses will be unable to do God's will. Unless he makes a life size pillow of himself and leave it with his wife when he goes off to serve God.

You do know Tamar , Bathsheba where Jesus great grandma's correct?

Coveting (Lusting) is a sin. But we were meant to worship God, not earthly things. But eating from the tree has caused everyone to focus on worldly things. That is why the women had to covered up from head to toe. But Jesus has been given authority. That He allows us to covet after our spouse. God gave them to us as a favor to help relieve our sexual frustration. But it is still a sin to covet. Like when Jesus told Peter to eat unclean animals. But as long as you are under His grace. They are clean to eat. But if you are judgmental. Then you are not under His grace.
But there will be a time when He will restore us back the way we were at the beginning. We were like the Angels that didn't lusted.

Proverbs 18:22 He who finds a wife finds what is good and receives favor from the Lord.

Matthew 22:30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

Isaiah 1:26 I will restore your leaders as in days of old, your rulers as at the beginning. Afterward you will be called the City of Righteousness, the Faithful City.”

 

[barn sour]

Nor was Eve the first, it was Lucifer an angel who did the first sin in heaven, when he brought other fallen angels with him

So to start off, depending on perspective, what you said is true about the first sin. Obviously, the first sin to exist, existed before the world. This would be, as you suggested, when Lucifer rebelled against G-d.

Romans 5:12 actually makes it clear.

"Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned--"

So it doesn't say, Sin was created when one man.... or the first sin was when one man...

It says "sin entered the world", meaning it already existed, prior to the world.

Additionally, you'll notice it doesn't say Eve did it, but rather Adam. Eve was deceived. Adam, engaged in what he knew was wrong, which is why he is the one who brought sin into the world.

However, as far as "g-d created sin".

No... at least not from a literal perspective.

You could say that he created sin, by his existence... but that's not exactly the same as "creating sin".

Let me explain.

Does light create shadows? No. Not really, because a shadow, by definition, is a lack of light. And yet, if you think about it, without light there can be no shadows.

Similarly, without G-d, there can be no lack of G-d.

Without morals, there can be no evil.

Without anything that is defined as "right", there can be nothing defined as "wrong".

If G-d did not exist, there would be no moral code. No understanding of good or evil. We would be nothing more than the animals, that attack and kill each other with or without reason. Rodents that eat their own young. Lions that slaughter the Alpha male, and then as soon as gaining control of the pride, kill all the cubs of the prior male, and then rape all the female lions.

Hunter animals, that specifically target all the groups that we humans go out of our way to protect. They attack the young because they are inexperienced, the old because they are slow with age, and the infirm or crippled because they can't get away.

It is G-d himself, that makes what is evil, known. It is his light of what is good and right and moral, that exposes the shadows of what is evil and wicked and wrong.

This is why the bad people of this world, hate the good people of this world.

So no, G-d did not directly create sin... but his existences is what makes sin evidence in the world.

Excellent response!

 

[ding]

You all are reading way too much into this.