Israel's "Right to Exist"?

[P F Tinmore]

i think in this case, "restrain" might be a more appropriate word.

Actually, Israel has no borders.

You're just being an obtuse little girl again, Princess.
Borders of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From your link:

Israel's borders are the borders of the State of Israel. The borders have changed from time to time with developments in Israel's military and diplomatic situation. It borders Lebanon in the north, Syria in the northeast, Jordan and the West Bank in the east, the Gaza Strip and Egypt on the southwest.[citation needed]

That is what I am looking for. Not just say so but actual documents showing Israel's acquisition of land and borders.

 

[sealadaigh]

Israel is NO DIFFERENT than any other nation.

Its right to exist comes from its ability to maintain its borders and control its own destiny.

There's no philosophical "right" to exist, there is only the de facto reality of whether any nation maintain its own existence.

Nations come and nations go, and sometimes, they come and then go and then they come back again.

Good answer mirrored by some of the other answers already given on this thread, especially those given by Seal. I don't mean to add another level of complication to this question but the real problem that is raised by the phrase " RIGHT TO EXIST " in the case of Israel is the words that the Israeli Government is insisting that all nations also acknowledge, and those are " AS A JEWISH NATION ".

While the Right to Exist is a factual matter only addressed by the actual existence of the country, as soon as you toss in the rest of the words you are not only asking for a factual statement but also for a moral judgement, and that is where the question becomes complicated ( get it now High Gravity Roudy and others ). Moral judgements are what an individual or a society deems to be good or evil and anyone with a brain can see how this would muddy the question. As Seal and others have pointed out many Arab Countries including the PLO have agreed to Israel's Right to Exist they are just not ready to agree to the political and moral ramifications that using " AS A JEWISH STATE " implies.

that "as a jewish state" was an add on after almost all of the arab world recognised israel's right to exist.

imagine f.w. de klerk (the last president of apartheid south africa and the man who eventually helped give that country a true democracy) saying to nelson mandela and the ANC that they had to recognise south africa's right to exist as a caucasion state.

better yet, imagine if the united states insisting, before they had any further dealings with the state of israel, that she recognise us as a christian state (an idea i think we can sell to the evabgelicals until in, what are the projections, 20 years from now, we become a a predominately catholic state...note to self: get ADL playbook and portray all those against immigration, be it legal or illegal, as anti-catholic nativist no nothing bigots). fortunately, on that one, i am sure the american jews would be on our side in this. they wouldn't want to appear to have a double standard as they have already come out in agreement that included in a state's right to exist is the right to exist as a defined ethnic or religious state.

 

[SAYIT]

I take it you have no documentation to back up that assertion so you are just going to blow smoke.

Really? Are you now denying you post both "Voice of Palestine" camel crap and mindless YouTube videos as "proof" of your claims?

The assertion in question has to do with legal documents.

My assertion is clear ... that those who live in glass houses (and that means you, Princess) have no business throwing stones.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Really? Are you now denying you post both "Voice of Palestine" camel crap and mindless YouTube videos as "proof" of your claims?

The assertion in question has to do with legal documents.

My assertion is clear ... that those who live in glass houses (and that means you, Princess) have no business throwing stones.

Still no documents, huh?

 

[Billo_Really]

that "as a jewish state" was an add on after almost all of the arab world recognised israel's right to exist.

Nations don't have rights, people do.

 

[georgephillip]

One of these days you're gonaa get buried in your own IslamoNazi shit propoganda, and the world will be a much better place after that.

Are you claiming to be a US citizen?
If so, why are you denying the existence of alleged espionage committed by US citizens on behalf of Israel?

"Stewart David Nozette, a US government scientist who was arrested in an October 2009 FBI sting operation after offering to spy for Israel, has been waiting in jail to go to trial on espionage charges.
New documents in the case were presented in the Federal court in Washington last year. The documents confirm that Nozette was a paid consultant for Israeli Aerospace Industries and it is believed that he passed to them classified material in return for an estimated $225,000 in 'consulting' fees.

Do you personally accept any "consulting fees" from Israeli interests?

Phil Giraldi Spills Beans on Israeli Espionage in America | Veterans Today

Nazi Palestine Continues Its Jihad Against The Jews While Pretending To Be For Peace
Isn’t it so quite the obvious that the Palestinian cause is nothing more than a big fraud? What the leaders of the Palestinian government have done is purposely trying to have it both ways ever since they had come about. They are still using American tax payer money to fund their own front groups of hate who smear Israel of being behind 9/11 among other things, compare Israel to Nazi Germany even though one of the biggest supporters of Nazi Germany was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem during World War II.Here is a list of front groups the Palestinian Authority, that’s right the “moderate” Palestinian Authority is funding through a number of front groups:

•Council for the National Interest: This is led by former Congressman Paul Findley, along with also Philip Giraldi. Very scary anti-Semites who have been very active on promoting anti-Semitic propaganda on the Internet. Giraldi, especially is ten times scarier than Findley, as he has intelligence background in the CIA, which makes one wonder why the CIA allows a “moderate” Palestinian Authority to receive so much of America’s own tax money for all this time. Findley is a known supporter of the Palestine Liberation Organization, a group led by the late Yasser Arafat, now by Mahmoud Abbas who runs the Palestinian Authority.

•If Americans Knew: Another front group organized by Findley and the Palestinian Authority, it’s purpose is purely to promote propaganda.

•VeteransToday.com: An anti-Semitic website run by Gordon Duff who is a proponent of Findley and Giraldi’s wicked ideas of how 9/11 was done by Israel. Duff also doesn’t mind not just receiving support from the Palestinian Authority, but also from the governments of Russia, Iran and Pakistan, where Hamid Gul, a former Pakistani ISI leader is a columnist. He also has connections with anti-Semites like Eric May who purposely use the Internet to forment 9/11 “Truth” propaganda that doesn’t make sense and cannot be proven; along with also European holocaust deniers like Ernst Zundel.

•Antiwar.com: Website run by Justin Raimondo who regularly also promotes how Israel was behind 9/11. Philip Giraldi also hangs around that wicked website as well. Raimondo is a well known supporter of Ron Paul, along with also the John Birch Society which has been supporting Ron Paul’s campaign. Raimondo has also been more than happy to promote propaganda against his own country.

Here's another very scary wicked web site for hasbara to hide from:

"Jonathan Jay Pollard (born August 7, 1954, Galveston, Texas) worked as an American civilian intelligence analyst before being convicted of spying for Israel. He received a life sentence in 1987."

Jonathan Pollard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Is your loyalty to Israel or the USA?

 

[ima]

Really? Are you now denying you post both "Voice of Palestine" camel crap and mindless YouTube videos as "proof" of your claims?

The assertion in question has to do with legal documents.

My assertion is clear ... that those who live in glass houses (and that means you, Princess) have no business throwing stones.

...or the Israeli army will shoot you.

 

[georgephillip]

How much of your daily 24 hours do you dedicate to masturbating for the destruction of Israel, oh curious George the Muslim monkey?

Define "Israel", Snake-face.
Specifically its eastern border.
'Wouldn't be the Jordan River, would it?

Ok here we go, anther popular anti semtic theory among those who bend over and raise their asses five times a day, it's the "Israel has no borders" Mohammadian garbage.

Israel?
Eastern border?
Jordan River?
Euphrates?!?

 

[georgephillip]

The assertion in question has to do with legal documents.

My assertion is clear ... that those who live in glass houses (and that means you, Princess) have no business throwing stones.

...or the Israeli army will shoot you.

And your children.

 

[SAYIT]

Actually, Israel has no borders.

You're just being an obtuse little girl again, Princess.
Borders of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From your link:

Israel's borders are the borders of the State of Israel. The borders have changed from time to time with developments in Israel's military and diplomatic situation. It borders Lebanon in the north, Syria in the northeast, Jordan and the West Bank in the east, the Gaza Strip and Egypt on the southwest.[citation needed]

That is what I am looking for. Not just say so but actual documents showing Israel's acquisition of land and borders.

Whatever. We both know nothing would satisfy one who firmly believes that the state of "Palestine" exists and Israel does not but just as a reminder:
Israel - 23,000 days of STATEHOOD and still winning!
"Palestine" - 0 days of statehood and still WHINING!

India, US learning from Israel’s border security
Jerusalem Post - Defense

Images For Israel's Borders
israel's borders - Google Search

 

[SAYIT]

The assertion in question has to do with legal documents.

My assertion is clear ... that those who live in glass houses (and that means you, Princess) have no business throwing stones.

Still no documents, huh?

Still no clue, eh?
You want documents to prove my assertion?

 

[SAYIT]

My assertion is clear ... that those who live in glass houses (and that means you, Princess) have no business throwing stones.

...or the Israeli army will shoot you.

And your children.

Perhaps you shouldn't have your children in front of you when challenging Israel's border guards.

 

[georgephillip]

i think in this case, "restrain" might be a more appropriate word.

Actually, Israel has no borders.

You're just being an obtuse little girl again, Princess.
Borders of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From your link, Golda:

"Israel's borders are the borders of the State of Israel. The borders have changed from time to time with developments in Israel's military and diplomatic situation. It borders Lebanon in the north, Syria in the northeast, Jordan and the West Bank in the east..."

Where's the line in the sand separating Israel and the West Bank, somewhere within 60% of Area C?

 

[Hossfly]

Actually, Israel has no borders.

You're just being an obtuse little girl again, Princess.
Borders of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From your link, Golda:

"Israel's borders are the borders of the State of Israel. The borders have changed from time to time with developments in Israel's military and diplomatic situation. It borders Lebanon in the north, Syria in the northeast, Jordan and the West Bank in the east..."

Where's the line in the sand separating Israel and the West Bank, somewhere within 60% of Area C?

Israel's borders are defined as the positions of IDF tanks at any given time. Flexible.

 

[SAYIT]

Actually, Israel has no borders.

You're just being an obtuse little girl again, Princess.
Borders of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From your link, Golda:

"Israel's borders are the borders of the State of Israel. The borders have changed from time to time with developments in Israel's military and diplomatic situation. It borders Lebanon in the north, Syria in the northeast, Jordan and the West Bank in the east..."

Where's the line in the sand separating Israel and the West Bank, somewhere within 60% of Area C?

TinHorn insists Israel has no borders. That claim is patently false.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You're just being an obtuse little girl again, Princess.
Borders of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From your link:

Israel's borders are the borders of the State of Israel. The borders have changed from time to time with developments in Israel's military and diplomatic situation. It borders Lebanon in the north, Syria in the northeast, Jordan and the West Bank in the east, the Gaza Strip and Egypt on the southwest.[citation needed]

That is what I am looking for. Not just say so but actual documents showing Israel's acquisition of land and borders.

Whatever. We both know nothing would satisfy one who firmly believes that the state of "Palestine" exists and Israel does not but just as a reminder:
Israel - 23,000 days of STATEHOOD and still winning!
"Palestine" - 0 days of statehood and still WHINING!

India, US learning from Israel’s border security
Jerusalem Post - Defense

Images For Israel's Borders
israel's borders - Google Search

The transfer of land and changes in borders are done through documented agreements not just say so. Post the documents to back up your assertion.

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[Hossfly]

From your link:



That is what I am looking for. Not just say so but actual documents showing Israel's acquisition of land and borders.

Whatever. We both know nothing would satisfy one who firmly believes that the state of "Palestine" exists and Israel does not but just as a reminder:
Israel - 23,000 days of STATEHOOD and still winning!
"Palestine" - 0 days of statehood and still WHINING!

India, US learning from Israel’s border security
Jerusalem Post - Defense

Images For Israel's Borders
israel's borders - Google Search

The transfer of land and changes in borders are done through documented agreements not just say so. Post the documents to back up your assertion.

Cue song and dance
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2
1

** See post # 574 for clarification.

 

[SAYIT]

From your link:



That is what I am looking for. Not just say so but actual documents showing Israel's acquisition of land and borders.

Whatever. We both know nothing would satisfy one who firmly believes that the state of "Palestine" exists and Israel does not but just as a reminder:
Israel - 23,000 days of STATEHOOD and still winning!
"Palestine" - 0 days of statehood and still WHINING!

India, US learning from Israel’s border security
Jerusalem Post - Defense

Images For Israel's Borders
israel's borders - Google Search

The transfer of land and changes in borders are done through documented agreements not just say so. Post the documents to back up your assertion.

Cue song and dance
3
2
1

Self-serving camel crap.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Whatever. We both know nothing would satisfy one who firmly believes that the state of "Palestine" exists and Israel does not but just as a reminder:
Israel - 23,000 days of STATEHOOD and still winning!
"Palestine" - 0 days of statehood and still WHINING!

India, US learning from Israel’s border security
Jerusalem Post - Defense

Images For Israel's Borders
israel's borders - Google Search

The transfer of land and changes in borders are done through documented agreements not just say so. Post the documents to back up your assertion.

Cue song and dance
3
2
1

Self-serving camel crap.

Right on cue.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Whatever. We both know nothing would satisfy one who firmly believes that the state of "Palestine" exists and Israel does not but just as a reminder:
Israel - 23,000 days of STATEHOOD and still winning!
"Palestine" - 0 days of statehood and still WHINING!

India, US learning from Israel’s border security
Jerusalem Post - Defense

Images For Israel's Borders
israel's borders - Google Search

The transfer of land and changes in borders are done through documented agreements not just say so. Post the documents to back up your assertion.

Cue song and dance
3
2
1

** See post # 574 for clarification.

Indeed, and quite illegal.