Israel's Legal Right To Exist

[montelatici]

That's bullshit (garbage deleted)

Here's reality:

Demographic history of Palestine (region) - Wikipedia

"Martin Gilbert estimated that 50,000 Arabs immigrated to Mandatory Palestine from neighboring lands between 1919 and 1939 "attracted by the improving agricultural conditions and growing job opportunities, most of them created by the Jews".[45] According to Itzhak Galnoor, although most of the local Palestinian community's growth was the result of natural increase, Arab immigration to Palestine was significant. Based on his estimates, approximately 100,000 Arabs immigrated to Palestine between 1922 and 1948.[46]"

"It has been suggested that the British turned a blind eye to large-scale Arab illegal immigration, and instead disproportionately focused on Jewish illegal immigration. In particular, Freddy Liebreich claimed that significant undocumented Arab immigration, much of it from the Hauran region of Syria, did take place during the Mandate era, and that the British authorities largely ignored it. According to Liebreich: "Jewish illegal immigration was minutely detailed and meticulously recorded but all references to Arab illegal immigration were, perhaps deliberately, obscured.""

Debunking the claim that “Palestinians” are the indigenous people of Israel - Blogs - Jerusalem Post

"Meanwhile, there are no records to support the Palestinian narrative. In history, art and literature there is no trace at all of any Muslim people referred to by anybody as “Palestinians.”

Despite the substantial documentation assembled by Peters, demonstrating massive Arab immigration into Palestine, anti-Israel propagandists continue to deny it. Based on what we know today, and the simple truths of basic math, the issue has become clear and unambiguous. All historic records indicate that only insignificant number of long-term settled Muslims were present in Palestine before 1882, when the large Jewish immigration began. Muslim Arab numbers increased dramatically as Jewish settlements developed infrastructure and provided work opportunities to Arabs from the neighboring countries. Also worth noting is that the “indigenous” 4.3% comprised many non-Arab nationalities. All of them were swamped by the Arab immigrants and within a few generations largely lost their identity.

Given the complete absence of any historical record to the contrary, we can authoritatively say that the “Palestinian people” never existed until they were invented in the 1960s as a tool for continuing the Arab war against Israel."

**** off idiot asshole.

Wiki. You are hilarious. We have historical fact from official surveys and census data and you post Zionist propaganda propagated by Hasbara Wiki editors. Your wiki article is bullshit that is debunked by facts from census and survey data. The only swamping was that of the Zionist colonists. As the facts confirm. Before 1862 Palestine was close to 100% Muslim and Christian. Only a handful of Jews were in Palestine before 1850.

"30 July 1921

AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF

PALESTINE,

during the period
1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.


AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF
PALESTINE.

I.--THE CONDITION OF PALESTINE AFTER THE WAR.

There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews."

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations/Balfour Declaration text (30 July 1921)

 

[rhodescholar]

Staying put is an act of resistance against the Zionist colonisation of their lands, to leave would mean surrender.

How is it "their" lands, XXXX ? What the **** is "arab land"?

Scumbags like you scream "racism!" whenever someone besides an arab muslim extends sovereignty in the mideast, but guess what ******* retard, there are A LOT of people other than the arab muslims with far more legitimate claims to sovereignty in the region.

 

[rhodescholar]

Hey, what happened to monte the turd? Guess that POS lying filth didn't think anyone would actually read the long article in her link, which hilariously proved her wrong.

Gotta love the lying, jew-hating dogshit like that that permeates this forum, they are like hanging pinatas and I'm wielding a 3-feet wide bat.

 

[MJB12741]

And has anyone heard of any Muslim Palestinian citizen of Israel who wants to leave to go live in some Arab country?

They are regularly polled about this and have repeatedly said they would never live in an arab muslim country because they know how much better the quality of life is under jewish Israeli rule - even in the WB they don't even want to live under PA/arab muslim rule.

So funny how much the leftist shit around the world, plus the arab muslims outside of Israel/WB/gaza want to control the political existence of the pals, except they themselves are quite happy on their own. Too ******* funny.

I think we all agree the Muslim Arab country treatment of Palestinians is hard to forgive. And yet has anyone heard a single Palestinian supporter complaint about that? Let us all join together & pray Israel will end its Zionist agenda of peace offerings, security fence & land concessions to Palestinians to provoke them & start treating them like their Arab brothers do to end their criticism of Israel. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

You do realise this forum is about the conflict between Zionist Israel and Palestine? If people want to complain about how Palestinians are treated elsewhere in the world, they should post in the appropriate forum, do keep up.

Right on. That is why I despise the Zionists for provoking the Palestinians with their damn peace offerings, security fence & land concessions instead of helping to free them back to their native homelands.

 

[montelatici]

Staying put is an act of resistance against the Zionist colonisation of their lands, to leave would mean surrender.

How is it "their" lands, c-nt? What the **** is "arab land"?

Scumbags like you scream "racism!" whenever someone besides an arab muslim extends sovereignty in the mideast, but guess what ******* retard, there are A LOT of people other than the arab muslims with far more legitimate claims to sovereignty in the region.

And who would these people be that have "more legitimate claims to sovereignty in the region" over the native inhabitants who happened to have adopted Arabic as a language and for the most part converted to Christianity and Islam centuries ago? Surely not Europeans, they of course were colonizers.

 

[Hollie]

Staying put is an act of resistance against the Zionist colonisation of their lands, to leave would mean surrender.

How is it "their" lands, c-nt? What the **** is "arab land"?

Scumbags like you scream "racism!" whenever someone besides an arab muslim extends sovereignty in the mideast, but guess what ******* retard, there are A LOT of people other than the arab muslims with far more legitimate claims to sovereignty in the region.

And who would these people be that have "more legitimate claims to sovereignty in the region" over the native inhabitants who happened to have adopted Arabic as a language and for the most part converted to Christianity and Islam centuries ago? Surely not Europeans, they of course were colonizers.

Since when did the xtian Crusaders become "native inhabitants"?

Why would "native inhabitants" need to have "adopted Arabic"?

 

[Eloy]

Not funny. Really.

I want to know if Sammy Davis Jr. had a right to return to his homeland in Palestine?

Many black Ethiopian Jews were lucky enough to come to Israel to escape famine. I believe 14,000 came in one shot.

In all of the Middle East, only Israel has citizens from all over the world of numerous living faiths, including Muslim Palestinians who even have equal voting rights in the Knesset.

And has anyone heard of any Muslim Palestinian citizen of Israel who wants to leave to go live in some Arab country?

Staying put is an act of resistance against the Zionist colonisation of their lands, to leave would mean surrender.

If Palestinian Israelis were to leave their homeland it would destroy the multi-ethnic, multi-religious demographics of Israel.

 

[montelatici]

Hey, what happened to monte the turd? Guess that POS lying filth didn't think anyone would actually read the long article in her link, which hilariously proved her wrong.

Gotta love the lying, jew-hating dogshit like that that permeates this forum, they are like hanging pinatas and I'm wielding a 3-feet wide bat.

The Interim Report of the Mandatory proves that you are just repeating propaganda, i.e. lies. The facts are the facts. There is nothing that can change the facts. Before the internet access to source documents was limited, now all the crap propaganda you spout can be debunked instantly. Making you look like the clown you are.

 

[montelatici]

2nd response:

That's bullshit

1) Your link mentions nothing about illegal arab muslim immigration, nor does it discuss immigration prior to 1920.

2) That link does not discuss rural arab territory, idiot asshole. Next time read what you post, ******* turd.

"34. Arab rural areas. There are no data available as to the amount of building construction in Arab rural areas;"

You lose, yet again, fuckbrain retard.

I always win, you just don't read the source documentation.



"59. The conclusion is that Arab illegal immigration for the purposes of permanent settlement is insignificant."

A Survey of Palestine Vol 1, page 212, para. 59


The illegal immigration was that of European Jews.



" It follows that the Jewish population may now include between 50,000 and 60,000 illegal immigrants who have settled in Palestine at any time since 1920 when the first Immigration Ordinance was enacted. The number of Jewish illegal immigrants recorded during 1945 is 370."

A Survey of Palestine Vol 1, page 210, para. 54

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 | Berman Jewish Policy Archive @ Stanford University

Keep up the clown dancing.

 

[rhodescholar]

Wiki.

The other link wasn't wikipedia you stupid ******* worthless c-nt, and it was YOUR link that discussed large-scale arab muslim immigration from the 1800s forward.

We have historical fact from official surveys and census data

Which prove large numbers of arab muslims moved from syria, egypt and jordan - which is where their names came from, ******* retard.

The census' from the Turks in the 1850s forward through to the ones by the British show huge increases in arab population which can only be attributed to mass illegal immgration. Sucks to be wrong like you every day, isn't it idiot asshole?

Your wiki article is bullshit that is debunked by facts from census and survey data.

As usual, no facts, no brains - just whining and crying by the house pro-arab terror apologist, low IQ idiot retard. Time to change your diaper, retard.

 

[rhodescholar]

The Interim Report of the Mandatory proves

Low IQ retarded idiot, the British reports were shown to have obscured the actual numbers of the arab illegal immigration.

Must suck to be as stupid as you are, ******* mongoloid. Too bad all the lies and garbage you and your arab muslim filth spew cannot change the facts in Peters' book, how sad for you, idiot.

 

[rhodescholar]

I always win, you just don't read the source documentation.

Repeating, since your low IQ didn't allow you to absorb it the first time:

1) Your link mentions nothing about illegal arab muslim immigration, nor does it discuss immigration prior to 1920.

2) That link does not discuss rural arab territory, idiot asshole. Next time read what you post, ******* turd.

"34. Arab rural areas. There are no data available as to the amount of building construction in Arab rural areas;"

You lose, yet again, fuckbrain retard. C-nt, I've been dealing with racist, jewhating dogshit like you for 5 ******* decades, you cannot defeat me - EVER. EVER. Lying, racist arab muslim trash like you are a dime a dozen.

 

[montelatici]

Wiki.

The other link wasn't wikipedia you stupid ******* worthless c-nt, and it was YOUR link that discussed large-scale arab muslim immigration from the 1800s forward.

We have historical fact from official surveys and census data

Which prove large numbers of arab muslims moved from syria, egypt and jordan - which is where their names came from, ******* retard.

The census' from the Turks in the 1850s forward through to the ones by the British show huge increases in arab population which can only be attributed to mass illegal immgration. Sucks to be wrong like you every day, isn't it idiot asshole?

Your wiki article is bullshit that is debunked by facts from census and survey data.

As usual, no facts, no brains - just whining and crying by the house pro-arab terror apologist, low IQ idiot retard. Time to change your diaper, retard.

All facts from source documentation. You post Hasbara propaganda exclusively and make things up, you have no source documentation to support your bullshit. I have and link to source documentation that debunks your wiki bullshit.

But I have much more source documentation to demonstrate that you are a purveyor of Zionist/Hasbara lies. Keep dancing clown.


"UNITED
NATIONS
A

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947
OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

(b) IMMIGRATION AND NATURAL INCREASE

15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years (there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and 1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931 and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to nearly 30 per cent.

16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths."

https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/07175DE9FA2DE563852568D3006E10F3

 

[rhodescholar]

If Palestinian Israelis were to leave their homeland it would destroy the multi-ethnic, multi-religious demographics of Israel.

And Israel would then look like all of the arab muslim countries; primarily one ethnicity. Except it wouldn't have gotten there by ethnically cleansing their minorities the way the arab muslim countries did/are doing.

 

[rhodescholar]

I have and link to source documentation that debunks your wiki bullshit. But I have much more source documentation.

That report is AS WRONG as you are, stupid ******* turd c-nt idiot asshole.

The table showing a TRIPLING of the arab muslim population from 1922 in just 25 years from 486K to 1.2 MM which would NOT be possible without mass immigration, you stupid ******* asshole. There have been many scholars who have shown how the British reports obscured the arab illegal immigration to maintain good arab relations as shown in my prior link - only a moron as stupid as you denies this fact. **** off asshole, and choke to death at your next meal and make this world a MUCH better place.

 

[montelatici]

I always win, you just don't read the source documentation.

Repeating, since your low IQ didn't allow you to absorb it the first time:

1) Your link mentions nothing about illegal arab muslim immigration, nor does it discuss immigration prior to 1920.

2) That link does not discuss rural arab territory, idiot asshole. Next time read what you post, ******* turd.

"34. Arab rural areas. There are no data available as to the amount of building construction in Arab rural areas;"

You lose, yet again, fuckbrain retard. C-nt, I've been dealing with racist, jewhating dogshit like you for 5 ******* decades, you cannot defeat me - EVER. EVER. Lying, racist arab muslim trash like you are a dime a dozen.

Clown dancing again. Now you claim that this massive Muslim and Christian immigration to Palestine occurred before 1920.

How about the Ottoman 1893 census which shows that there were about 250,000 Muslims and Christians and 8,000 Jews in the Kudus Special District which was comprised of Jerusalem and environs about half to two thirds of mandatory Palestine.

Kemal H.karpat, Ottoman Population, 1830-1914

 

[montelatici]

I have and link to source documentation that debunks your wiki bullshit. But I have much more source documentation.

That report is AS WRONG as you are, stupid ******* turd c-nt idiot asshole.

The table showing a TRIPLING of the arab muslim population from 1922 in just 25 years from 486K to 1.2 MM which would NOT be possible without mass immigration, you stupid ******* asshole. There have been many scholars who have shown how the British reports obscured the arab illegal immigration to maintain good arab relations as shown in my prior link - only a moron as stupid as you denies this fact. **** off asshole, and choke to death at your next meal and make this world a MUCH better place.

Now that's funny, official census reports are wrong and the bullshit Zionist propaganda is accurate. You are great for laughs. You are an embarrassing excuse for a Rhodes scholar. LOL Oh, your obscene insults are a pathetic demonstration that you are full of shit.

 

[rhodescholar]

Now you claim that this massive Muslim and Christian immigration to Palestine occurred before 1920.

Keep moving the goal posts idiot retard. Explain how the report YOU linked that showed a pop increase from 400K to 1.2 MM in 20 years yet claimed that that was entirely due to births? To anyone with a brain - which does not include you - could see that the report was written with a political agenda, which is what was claimed in my earlier link, that the Brits tried to obscure illegal arab muslim immigration.

But you keep changing the subject scumbag, you are proving why I put you on ignore years ago - you are a worthless, dishonest, racist piece of unintelligent trash who I normally walk right past in the street without even noticing your pandhandling sign. You're ******* garbage, and a failure in this life - how sad for you, but don't worry, maybe in the next life you won't be laughed at so often.

 

[rhodescholar]

Notice how the c-nt ignores the massive increase in population of arab muslims in 1850 forward, showing that HUGE numbers of arab muslim moved into the mandate from the late 19th century? The idiot c-nt pretends the arab population was 400K for 1,000 years - then all of a sudden in the late 1800s, they suddenly started having lots of babies - such ******* garbage. The retarded moron cannot think for itself to question how/why was the population allegedly stable for so many centuries, then all of a sudden it began to magically increase to where within 50 years would be 4 times higher.

Racist, low IQ trash like monte the ******* dog aren't very interesting; they are fun for about a minute to pummel - but then get boring.

People with the intelligence to reason beyond an agenda make for good debaters, where they can actually think for themselves, but scumbags like monte the turd totally lacks that ability, which contributes to making her so boring...

 

[montelatici]

Now you claim that this massive Muslim and Christian immigration to Palestine occurred before 1920.

Keep moving the goal posts idiot retard. Explain how the report YOU linked that showed a pop increase from 400K to 1.2 MM in 20 years yet claimed that that was entirely due to births? To anyone with a brain - which does not include you - could see that the report was written with a political agenda, which is what was claimed in my earlier link, that the Brits tried to obscure illegal arab muslim immigration.

But you keep changing the subject scumbag, you are proving why I put you on ignore years ago - you are a worthless, dishonest, racist piece of unintelligent trash who I normally walk right past in the street without even noticing your pandhandling sign. You're ******* garbage, and a failure in this life - how sad for you, but don't worry, maybe in the next life you won't be laughed at so often.

I made no claims, I posted the source documentation that contained the official data, both Ottoman, British, and U.S., and links to said documentation that demonstrate that you are full of shit. Note: The Survey of Palestine was drafted by the Anglo-American Committee as chartered to do so by the U.N.

It is extraordinary that the Ottomans, the British and the U.S. had the same political agenda. LOL