Israel's Legal Right To Exist

[Hollie]

Someone born in (...) whose great grandparents are from there, have no right to be taking the Palestinian land as their own.

Some Jews are indigenous to Palestine but Jews from Ukraine or Queens, New York, certainly aren't.

Cool. So I assume you apply this equally to all peoples, yes?

So Palestinians born in Syria, Jordan, or Queens, New York certainly aren't indigenous to "Palestine". And those people have no right to be taking "Palestinian" land as their own and aren't indigenous to "Palestine".

Further, those with grandparents who were born in Israel are definitely indigenous, right?

Children born in Egypt could be the children or grandchildren of indigenous Palestinian refugees with a claim to return to their homeland.

The Christian children, grandchildren and great- grandchildren of the formerly Christian majority Egypt want their right of return.

Make that happen, sweetie.

 

[montelatici]

Many Muslims believe the Bible is just a book of fairy tales, first written by Jews & then by Christians. And it has no historical significance. Right Tinmore?

Irrelevant and off topic. This is not a religious conflict.

Right on. Thanks so much. So back we go to Israel's legal right to exist. Enjoy!

Can someone explain to me the Palestinian squatters legal right to exist on Israel's land?

Indigenous people have a birthright to live in their homeland.
Quite different from a Russian's right to live in Palestine.

But the Arabs of Palestine aren't the indigenous people. Churchill said Arabs from neighboring countries flooded into Palestine to take advantage of work opportunities provided by the Jews.

The Palestinian Arabs, Muslim and Christians, are the indigenous people of Palestine.

Churchill was attempting to justify the establishment of a European settler colony, it was the day's alternative fact. The facts were stated in official survey reports, specifically page 185 of the Survey of Palestine, commissioned by the UN prior to partition. Out of 414, 456 migrants, 376,415 were Jews.

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 | Berman Jewish Policy Archive @ Stanford University

 

[Shusha]

Children born in Egypt could be the children or grandchildren of indigenous Palestinian refugees with a claim to return to their homeland.

So that would be a "no". You do not apply it equally to all peoples.

 

[Eloy]

Children born in Egypt could be the children or grandchildren of indigenous Palestinian refugees with a claim to return to their homeland.

So that would be a "no". You do not apply it equally to all peoples.

The children of refugees do have a claim on their country of birth without forfeiting a claim on their ancestral land surely.

 

[Shusha]

The children of refugees do have a claim on their country of birth without forfeiting a claim on their ancestral land surely.

I could not possibly agree with you more. You have no idea how much I agree with you on this. See, I believe in the right of return for ALL peoples, not just some. My view is consistent. Yours is not.

 

[montelatici]

The children of refugees do have a claim on their country of birth without forfeiting a claim on their ancestral land surely.

I could not possibly agree with you more. You have no idea how much I agree with you on this. See, I believe in the right of return for ALL peoples, not just some. My view is consistent. Yours is not.

But the European Zionists were not returning, they were invading.

 

[MJB12741]

The children of refugees do have a claim on their country of birth without forfeiting a claim on their ancestral land surely.

I could not possibly agree with you more. You have no idea how much I agree with you on this. See, I believe in the right of return for ALL peoples, not just some. My view is consistent. Yours is not.

No Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return. How blessed they feel to let Israel have to deal with them.

 

[montelatici]

The children of refugees do have a claim on their country of birth without forfeiting a claim on their ancestral land surely.

I could not possibly agree with you more. You have no idea how much I agree with you on this. See, I believe in the right of return for ALL peoples, not just some. My view is consistent. Yours is not.

No Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return. How blessed they feel to let Israel have to deal with them.

The Palestinians are the native inhabitants of Palestine, how could they "return" to a place they or their ancestors do not come from? They can only "return" to Palestine.

 

[MJB12741]

The children of refugees do have a claim on their country of birth without forfeiting a claim on their ancestral land surely.

I could not possibly agree with you more. You have no idea how much I agree with you on this. See, I believe in the right of return for ALL peoples, not just some. My view is consistent. Yours is not.

No Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return. How blessed they feel to let Israel have to deal with them.

The Palestinians are the native inhabitants of Palestine, how could they "return" to a place they or their ancestors do not come from? They can only "return" to Palestine.

Tell that to king Abdullah.

 

[Hollie]

The children of refugees do have a claim on their country of birth without forfeiting a claim on their ancestral land surely.

I could not possibly agree with you more. You have no idea how much I agree with you on this. See, I believe in the right of return for ALL peoples, not just some. My view is consistent. Yours is not.

But the European Zionists were not returning, they were invading.

Your silly "invasion" nonsense is not supported by the historical record. Obviously, yours is "hysterical" history.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The children of refugees do have a claim on their country of birth without forfeiting a claim on their ancestral land surely.

I could not possibly agree with you more. You have no idea how much I agree with you on this. See, I believe in the right of return for ALL peoples, not just some. My view is consistent. Yours is not.

But the European Zionists were not returning, they were invading.

Your silly "invasion" nonsense is not supported by the historical record. Obviously, yours is "hysterical" history.

 

[MJB12741]

The children of refugees do have a claim on their country of birth without forfeiting a claim on their ancestral land surely.

I could not possibly agree with you more. You have no idea how much I agree with you on this. See, I believe in the right of return for ALL peoples, not just some. My view is consistent. Yours is not.

But the European Zionists were not returning, they were invading.

Your silly "invasion" nonsense is not supported by the historical record. Obviously, yours is "hysterical" history.

 

[MJB12741]

Alnakba. Yep, that makes it all official.

 

[MJB12741]

The children of refugees do have a claim on their country of birth without forfeiting a claim on their ancestral land surely.

I could not possibly agree with you more. You have no idea how much I agree with you on this. See, I believe in the right of return for ALL peoples, not just some. My view is consistent. Yours is not.

But the European Zionists were not returning, they were invading.

Your silly "invasion" nonsense is not supported by the historical record. Obviously, yours is "hysterical" history.

What legal right do Palestinian squatters have to exist in Israel?

 

[montelatici]

The children of refugees do have a claim on their country of birth without forfeiting a claim on their ancestral land surely.

I could not possibly agree with you more. You have no idea how much I agree with you on this. See, I believe in the right of return for ALL peoples, not just some. My view is consistent. Yours is not.

But the European Zionists were not returning, they were invading.

Your silly "invasion" nonsense is not supported by the historical record. Obviously, yours is "hysterical" history.

What legal right do Palestinian squatters have to exist in Israel?

The Palestinian Muslims and Christians are the native inhabitants, it is their legal right as the native inhabitants to reside in their homeland . The Zionists were invaders from Europe and are now squatting on the native inhabitant's land. As confirmed and validated by Britain's first official report as the Mandatory for Palestine. Please stop making things up.

"AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF

PALESTINE,

during the period
1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.


AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF
PALESTINE.

I.--THE CONDITION OF PALESTINE AFTER THE WAR.

There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews.

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations/Balfour Declaration text (30 July 1921)

 

[MJB12741]

I could not possibly agree with you more. You have no idea how much I agree with you on this. See, I believe in the right of return for ALL peoples, not just some. My view is consistent. Yours is not.

But the European Zionists were not returning, they were invading.

Your silly "invasion" nonsense is not supported by the historical record. Obviously, yours is "hysterical" history.

What legal right do Palestinian squatters have to exist in Israel?

The Palestinian Muslims and Christians are the native inhabitants, it is their legal right as the native inhabitants to reside in their homeland . The Zionists were invaders from Europe and are now squatting on the native inhabitant's land. As confirmed and validated by Britain's first official report as the Mandatory for Palestine. Please stop making things up.

"AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF

PALESTINE,

during the period
1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.


AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF
PALESTINE.

I.--THE CONDITION OF PALESTINE AFTER THE WAR.

There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews.

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations/Balfour Declaration text (30 July 1921)

Aha. So how many Muslim & Christian Palestinians were there prior to 1850 that were native to the Jewish land?

 

[montelatici]

But the European Zionists were not returning, they were invading.

Your silly "invasion" nonsense is not supported by the historical record. Obviously, yours is "hysterical" history.

What legal right do Palestinian squatters have to exist in Israel?

The Palestinian Muslims and Christians are the native inhabitants, it is their legal right as the native inhabitants to reside in their homeland . The Zionists were invaders from Europe and are now squatting on the native inhabitant's land. As confirmed and validated by Britain's first official report as the Mandatory for Palestine. Please stop making things up.

"AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF

PALESTINE,

during the period
1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.


AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF
PALESTINE.

I.--THE CONDITION OF PALESTINE AFTER THE WAR.

There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews.

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations/Balfour Declaration text (30 July 1921)

Aha. So how many Muslim & Christian Palestinians were there prior to 1850 that were native to the Jewish land?

About 550,000 Muslim and Christian natives and Ottoman citizens plus that handful of Jews, who were mostly descendants of Jews that came from Spain after the Christian Reconquista of Spain.

Kemal H.karpat, Ottoman Population, 1830-1914

 

[Hollie]

The children of refugees do have a claim on their country of birth without forfeiting a claim on their ancestral land surely.

I could not possibly agree with you more. You have no idea how much I agree with you on this. See, I believe in the right of return for ALL peoples, not just some. My view is consistent. Yours is not.

But the European Zionists were not returning, they were invading.

Your silly "invasion" nonsense is not supported by the historical record. Obviously, yours is "hysterical" history.

Here's some al-knocking.

 

[Hollie]

Your silly "invasion" nonsense is not supported by the historical record. Obviously, yours is "hysterical" history.

What legal right do Palestinian squatters have to exist in Israel?

The Palestinian Muslims and Christians are the native inhabitants, it is their legal right as the native inhabitants to reside in their homeland . The Zionists were invaders from Europe and are now squatting on the native inhabitant's land. As confirmed and validated by Britain's first official report as the Mandatory for Palestine. Please stop making things up.

"AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF

PALESTINE,

during the period
1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.


AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF
PALESTINE.

I.--THE CONDITION OF PALESTINE AFTER THE WAR.

There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews.

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations/Balfour Declaration text (30 July 1921)

Aha. So how many Muslim & Christian Palestinians were there prior to 1850 that were native to the Jewish land?

About 550,000 Muslim and Christian natives and Ottoman citizens plus that handful of Jews, who were mostly descendants of Jews that came from Spain after the Christian Reconquista of Spain.

Kemal H.karpat, Ottoman Population, 1830-1914

And then, we have this:

The Arabs in Palestine

A Population Boom
As Hussein foresaw, the regeneration of Palestine, and the growth of its population, came only after Jews returned in massive numbers. The Jewish population increased by 470,000 between World War I and World War II while the non-Jewish population rose by 588,000. In fact, the permanent Arab population increased 120 percent between 1922 and 1947.

This rapid growth was a result of several factors. One was immigration from neighboring states — constituting 37 percent of the total immigration to pre-state Israel — by Arabs who wanted to take advantage of the higher standard of living the Jews had made possible. The Arab population also grew because of the improved living conditions created by the Jews as they drained malarial swamps and brought improved sanitation and health care to the region. Thus, for example, the Muslim infant mortality rate fell from 201 per thousand in 1925 to 94 per thousand in 1945 and life expectancy rose from 37 years in 1926 to 49 in 1943.

The Arab population increased the most in cities with large Jewish populations that had created new economic opportunities. From 19221947, the non-Jewish population increased 290 percent in Haifa, 131 percent in Jerusalem and 158 percent in Jaffa. The growth in Arab towns was more modest: 42 percent in Nablus, 78 percent in Jenin and 37 percent in Bethlehem.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Lets just consider documented facts. Fair enough?

Israel's History and Right to Exist - Discover the Networks

Nice summation. Could have been lengthened a bit more with facts to make the obvious even more obvious, i.e. Arab nations do not want peace with Israel, they want to destroy Israel. Nor do any of these nations have a legitimate historical case for why Jews cannot be in that land. The hatred and blame towards Israel by the West and by the U.N. defies right judgement.

The Koran itself says Israel belongs to the Jews.

True. And even Medina first belonged to the Jews before Mohammed & his hoards stole it from them.

Medina, Islam's second holiest city, was originally a Jewish "settlement"

.........and beheaded 900 Jews who refused to acknowledge Mohammad as a genuine Prophet.