Israeli Settlers: Are They ‘Civilians’ or Legitimate Military Targets?

[P F Tinmore]

Really? Looking at the first two babies on that list... You claim there is a moral equivalency between "I have a right to kill you because you are Jewish and live here" and having checkpoints because the other keeps trying to kill you? Actually you aren't even claiming equivalency. You are claiming that the Jewish people are evil.

And yet it is only the pro-Palestinians who are arguing in favour of killing innocents.

It's a reversal of the reality.

So now you attempt to "reverse the reality" of what I actually said, how typical of a Hasbara troll attampting to conflate Zionism with Judaism. You can just as easily say, like a lot of Zionists, "I have a right to kill you because you are Muslim/Arab/Palestinian and live here" If you want to play at "moral equivalency", I'll see your Chaya Braun and raise you Ali Dawabsha http://israelpalestinetimeline.org/ali-saad-dawabsha/

What is far more telling about the list I linked to is that a Palestinian whack-job killed an Israeli baby, yet the Zionist military, with the worlds most advanced precision killing technology, managed to kill 36 Palestinian babies, never mind innocent women and children. If they are capable of this



There's no excuse for those 36 dead babies, none.

It is Israel's policy to target women and children. On the Remember These Children website there is a whole page of children killed by Israel in their family homes. Who is normally in a family home? Mom and the kids. This is not the occasional oops. This is time after time after time again. This is policy.

Link?

So much bluster, so much nonsense from the angry Achmed.

Remember These Children 2014 Memorial

I presumed you would retreat from your nonsensical claim that it is Israeli policy to target civilians.

So much islamo-bluster, no facts to support your pompous whining.

There is a whole list of children killed when Israel bombed their family home.

Retreat?

Not!

 

[Dogmaphobe]

It's a sickness you people share.

I have to disagree with you, there, Hollie.

These hateful things don't deserve to be called people.

 

[Challenger]

Explain to us why it is you insist that your islamic terrorist heroes are to be given an entitlement to acts of war without consequence.

Do I? Where have I said that?

Your Islamic terrorist heroes wage war from civilian areas with the intent that civilians are at risk from the inevitable Israeli retaliation.

Not much choice in Gaza as they're all fenced in to begin with.

Explain to us why the Israelis use costly precision munitions when less expensive, unguided "area" munitions could be used.

Oh, you mean like this?

Explain to us why your cowardly islamic terrorist heroes find such vacant-minded Pom Pom flailers like you who find such pleasure in using dead islamics for propaganda purposes.

Nothing to explain here, this is just another hollow, hysterical tract from Hollie the Hater, next?

Because that's too difficult for you, maybe just rattle off more of your goofy slogans and cliche's.

...and another one. next?

 

[Shusha]

... a Palestinian whack-job killed an Israeli baby...

But this thread argues he is not a "whack-job" but that it is morally and legally correct to kill Israeli (read: Jewish) babies. We've spent 25 pages arguing the legitimacy of killing Chaya Braun.

The Israel supporters on this board have condemned the killing of civilians, in clear, direct language. No Israel supporter has suggested that it was legitimate and legally and morally correct to kill Ali Dawabsha.

NONE of the Palestine supporters have done so. And in fact, all of the Palestinian supporters on this thread have either justified it or openly supported it on this thread, or on other in the past.

Are you going to be the first on Team P to step up and directly condemn the killing of civilians?

 

[Challenger]

It's a sickness you people share.

I have to disagree with you, there, Hollie.

These hateful things don't deserve to be called people.

I agree, Zionist child killers don't deserve to be called people.

 

[Shusha]

I have to disagree with you, there, Hollie.

These hateful things don't deserve to be called people.

And I'm going to have to disagree with you, here, Dogma.

It not acceptable to dehumanize the Palestinians, even when they are doing abhorrent things.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I have to disagree with you, there, Hollie.

These hateful things don't deserve to be called people.

And I'm going to have to disagree with you, here, Dogma.

It not acceptable to dehumanize the Palestinians, even when they are doing abhorrent things.

Israel always dehumanizes Palestinians.

What do you think Israel's terrorist propaganda campaign is about?

 

[Shusha]

Israel always dehumanizes Palestinians.

So you agree that dehumanizing people is wrong, then? So do I. I challenged my fellow pro-Israel supporter on it. Why don't you challenge your pro-Palestine supporter on it? Change comes from within.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel always dehumanizes Palestinians.

So you agree that dehumanizing people is wrong, then? So do I. I challenged my fellow pro-Israel supporter on it. Why don't you challenge your pro-Palestine supporter on it? Change comes from within.

The Palestinians only respond to Israel's daily violence against them. What is there to challenge?

You support Israel's daily violence.

There is nothing equal here.

 

[Hollie]

So now you attempt to "reverse the reality" of what I actually said, how typical of a Hasbara troll attampting to conflate Zionism with Judaism. You can just as easily say, like a lot of Zionists, "I have a right to kill you because you are Muslim/Arab/Palestinian and live here" If you want to play at "moral equivalency", I'll see your Chaya Braun and raise you Ali Dawabsha http://israelpalestinetimeline.org/ali-saad-dawabsha/

What is far more telling about the list I linked to is that a Palestinian whack-job killed an Israeli baby, yet the Zionist military, with the worlds most advanced precision killing technology, managed to kill 36 Palestinian babies, never mind innocent women and children. If they are capable of this



There's no excuse for those 36 dead babies, none.

It is Israel's policy to target women and children. On the Remember These Children website there is a whole page of children killed by Israel in their family homes. Who is normally in a family home? Mom and the kids. This is not the occasional oops. This is time after time after time again. This is policy.

Link?

So much bluster, so much nonsense from the angry Achmed.

Remember These Children 2014 Memorial

I presumed you would retreat from your nonsensical claim that it is Israeli policy to target civilians.

So much islamo-bluster, no facts to support your pompous whining.

There is a whole list of children killed when Israel bombed their family home.

Retreat?

Not!

When your islamic terrorist heroes wage war from civilian areas, civilians will suffer.

 

[Hollie]

Explain to us why it is you insist that your islamic terrorist heroes are to be given an entitlement to acts of war without consequence.

Do I? Where have I said that?

Your Islamic terrorist heroes wage war from civilian areas with the intent that civilians are at risk from the inevitable Israeli retaliation.

Not much choice in Gaza as they're all fenced in to begin with.

Explain to us why the Israelis use costly precision munitions when less expensive, unguided "area" munitions could be used.

Oh, you mean like this?

Explain to us why your cowardly islamic terrorist heroes find such vacant-minded Pom Pom flailers like you who find such pleasure in using dead islamics for propaganda purposes.

Nothing to explain here, this is just another hollow, hysterical tract from Hollie the Hater, next?

Because that's too difficult for you, maybe just rattle off more of your goofy slogans and cliche's.

...and another one. next?

Lots of your usual name-calling and as usual, ignorance and denial about arabs-moslems committing acts of war and then people like you whining about the consequences.

 

[louie888]

Lots of your usual name-calling and as usual, ignorance and denial about zionist Jews committing acts of war and then people like you whining about the consequences.

 

[Hollie]

Lots of your usual name-calling and as usual, ignorance and denial about zionist Jews committing acts of war and then people like you whining about the consequences.

Once again, you're plagiarizing my comments.

Absent cutting and pasting cartoons, you have a very low EQ (Entertainment Quotient).

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I have to disagree with you, there, Hollie.

These hateful things don't deserve to be called people.

And I'm going to have to disagree with you, here, Dogma.

It not acceptable to dehumanize the Palestinians, even when they are doing abhorrent things.

I'm not dehumanizing Palestinians.

I am referring to the antisemites who infest this sub forum.

 

[teddyearp]

Lots of your usual name-calling and as usual, ignorance and denial about zionist Jews committing acts of war and then people like you whining about the consequences.

You're a funny mother ******. You do the most name calling and labeling of anyone here.

 

[Shusha]

The Palestinians only respond to Israel's daily violence against them. What is there to challenge?

You support Israel's daily violence.

There is nothing equal here.

There are legal rules and moral obligations which govern acceptable behaviour. Even in during conflict. They apply to both sides. The deliberate targeting and killing of civilians is not in any way legally or morally permissible -- no matter what side of the conflict you are on.

I support self-defense. (As I should, since I am a self-defense instructor). My philosophy is that if an attack is immanent or has occurred, one is permitted to defend oneself using the minimum force necessary to end the attack. (By this measure, Israel has not used enough force in Gaza, since the attacks continue.) Innocent bystanders are NEVER targets for defense.

The problem with the Palestinians who believe the mere presence of Jews is "violence". Hence, this thread -- which calls for the legitimization of murdering civilians simply because they are present.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Lots of your usual name-calling and as usual, ignorance and denial about zionist Jews committing acts of war and then people like you whining about the consequences.

You're a funny mother ******. You do the most name calling and labeling of anyone here.

It supports the murder of people based upon their ethnicity and then claims it is being treated unfairly through "name calling".

The tactics never vary, do they?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Israel always dehumanizes Palestinians.

So you agree that dehumanizing people is wrong, then? So do I. I challenged my fellow pro-Israel supporter on it. Why don't you challenge your pro-Palestine supporter on it? Change comes from within.

What you did was play right into their hands.

You played no attention to what I was actually responding to and made an erroneous assumption that I am no different than these murderous antisemites.

I said NOTHING that dehumanizes Palestinians. My reference was to the hateful things who are here for the sole purpose of hating Jews.

 

[Shusha]

Israel always dehumanizes Palestinians.

So you agree that dehumanizing people is wrong, then? So do I. I challenged my fellow pro-Israel supporter on it. Why don't you challenge your pro-Palestine supporter on it? Change comes from within.

What you did was play right into their hands.

You played no attention to what I was actually responding to and made an erroneous assumption that I am no different than these murderous antisemites.

I said NOTHING that dehumanizes Palestinians. My reference was to the hateful things who are here for the sole purpose of hating Jews.

I apologize for missing your intent as to who you labelled as non-human. However, you will get no respect from me when you dehumanize anyone. Especially on a thread which calls for civilians (humans) to be considered military targets.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Israel always dehumanizes Palestinians.

So you agree that dehumanizing people is wrong, then? So do I. I challenged my fellow pro-Israel supporter on it. Why don't you challenge your pro-Palestine supporter on it? Change comes from within.

What you did was play right into their hands.

You played no attention to what I was actually responding to and made an erroneous assumption that I am no different than these murderous antisemites.

I said NOTHING that dehumanizes Palestinians. My reference was to the hateful things who are here for the sole purpose of hating Jews.

I apologize for missing your intent as to who you labelled as non-human. However, you will get no respect from me when you dehumanize anyone. Especially on a thread which calls for civilians (humans) to be considered military targets.

So, you think those who are calling for murder are expressing their humanity?

That's what MAKES them sub humans.