"Israeli policies don't affect anti-Semitism"

Israeli policies and attitudes clearly influence anti-Semitism.

Just as American policies influence hatred of Americans.

Its idiotic to assume otherwise.
 
More anti-Semitism from Ben-Gurion

"They tell me that there are thieves among them. I am a Polish Jew, and I doubt if there is any Jewish community which has more thieves among them. I am doubtful if there is any Jewish community which has more thieves in it than the Polish ones." A few years later Ben-Gurion wrote to Justice Moshe Estzioni: "An Ashkenazi gangster, thief, pimp, or murderer will not gain the sympathy of the Ashkenazi community (if there is such a thing), nor will he expect it. But in such a primitive community as the Moroccans'---such a thing is possible. . . . " (1949, The First Israelis, p. 157)
Poor DEFEAT67. He doesn't even know the definition of anti semetism.

Ben-Gurion's words in this quote are clearly anti-Semitic.

But as you think Israelis (and maybe also Jews) are immune from wrondoing you refuse to acknowledge his bigotry.

Shame on you.
Anti semetism is hatred of Jews. OMG what an illiterate.
 
Anti semetism is hatred of Jews. OMG what an illiterate.

Ben Gurion had bigoted attitudes towards his fellow Jews.

Anti-Semitism can come from Jews, like Benjamin Freedman.
 
Defeat67: "truth creates anti semetism!"

The Testimony of Arabs and Christians

Because Arabs until the 1960s spoke of Palestine as Southern Syria or part of Greater Syria, in 1919 the General Syrian Congress stated, "We ask that there should be no separation of the southern part of Syria, known as Palestine."11 In 1939 George Antonius noted the Arab view of Palestine in 1918:12

Faisal's views about the future of Palestine did not differ from those of his father and were identical with those held then by the great majority of politically-minded Arabs. The representative Arab view was substantially that which King Husain [Grand Sherif of Mecca, the great grandfather of the current King Hussein of Jordan] had expressed to the British Government...in January 1918. In the Arab view, Palestine was an Arab territory forming an integral part of Syria.

Referring to the same Arab view of Palestine in 1939, George Antonius spoke of "the whole of the country of that name [Syria] which is now split up into mandated territories..."13 His lament was that France's mandate over Syria did not include Palestine which was under Britain's mandate.

As late as May 1947, Arab representatives reminded the United Nations in a formal statement, "Palestine is a... part of the Province of Syria.... Politically, the Arabs of Palestine were not independent in the sense of forming a separate political entity."14

On May 31, 1956, Ahmed Shukairy had no hesitation, as current head of the Palestine Liberation Organization, in announcing to the Security Council the observation, "It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria."15

Syrian President Hafez Assad once told PLO leader Yassir Arafat:16

You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian People, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people.

Assad stated on March 8, 1974, "Palestine is a principal part of Southern Syria, and we consider that it is our right and duty to insist that it be a liberated partner of our Arab homeland and of Syria."17

In the words of the late military commander of the PLO as well as member of the PLO Executive Council, Zuhair Muhsin:18

There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity....yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel [emphasis ours].
 
Anti semetism is hatred of Jews. OMG what an illiterate.

Ben Gurion had bigoted attitudes towards his fellow Jews.

Anti-Semitism can come from Jews, like Benjamin Freedman.
Ya right, Ben Gurion was an anti Semite! Have you checked your drinking water?

Again this is being posted by someone who believes the Arabs were victorious in 1967.
 
And here's how the refugees were created, another great quote:

"Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of the refugees... while it is we who made them leave.... We brought disaster upon ... Arab refugees, by inviting them and bringing pressure to bear upon them to leave.... We have rendered them dispossessed.... We have accustomed them to begging.... We have participated in lowering their moral and social level.... Then we exploited them in executing crimes of murder, arson, and throwing bombs upon ... men, women and children--all this in the service of political purposes...."
- Khaled Al-Azm, Syria's Prime Minister after the 1948 war
 
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Let us hear what other Arabs have said:

"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it".
- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 -

"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not".
- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946 -

"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria".
- Representant of Saudi Arabia at the United Nations, 1956 -

Concerning the Holy Land, the chairman of the Syrian Delegation at the Paris Peace Conference in February 1919 stated:

"The only Arab domination since the Conquest in 635 c.e. hardly lasted, as such, 22 years".

You should stop pulling false and unsubstantiated quotes out of your ass. It only increases anti-Semitism. Lies about Muslims and Arabs fuels anti-Semitism.

child tantrum

>>Between 1936 and 1939 the Arabs of the British Mandate of Palestine went on a rampage that became known as the "Arab revolt." The Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin el-Husseini, cried to the heavens that the Jews were destroying the al-Aqsa Mosque and agitated his easily agitated people into bloody rampages that lasted for years. The British, seeking to calm the situation, initiated the Peel Commission which recommended a division of the land between Arabs and Jews in order to ease tensions and create peace between the vast Arab majority and the tiny Jewish minority in the Middle East.

During their investigations they met with Syrian Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, who told them:

There is no such country as Palestine. ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. ‘Palestine’ is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it.

What are we to make of the fact that it is only within living memory that the Arabs of that small portion of the world fashioned themselves as a distinct ethnicity or nationality known as "Palestinians"? They did so, with the encouragement of Yassir Arafat and the Soviets, for the purpose of contesting Jewish claims to Jewish land after the establishment of Israel. The majority of Arabs in the region only took on "Palestinian" identity after the the 6 Day War of 1967, appropriating it from the Jews.

It has to be understood that all national identities start somewhere in time and place. "American" identity, which is to say the identity of people who live in, or are citizens of, what is now the United States, emerged toward the end of the 18th century and did not completely solidify until after the Civil War. Jewish identity, of course, is well over 3,000 years old, which makes the Jewish people one of the oldest surviving nationalities, along with the Chinese, on the planet today. <<

You can go to any arab library and do the research yourself. Just because you might not like a quote does not mean it is not substantiated.
 
Let us hear what other Arabs have said:

"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it".
- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 -

"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not".
- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946 -

"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria".
- Representant of Saudi Arabia at the United Nations, 1956 -

Concerning the Holy Land, the chairman of the Syrian Delegation at the Paris Peace Conference in February 1919 stated:

"The only Arab domination since the Conquest in 635 c.e. hardly lasted, as such, 22 years".

You should stop pulling false and unsubstantiated quotes out of your ass. It only increases anti-Semitism. Lies about Muslims and Arabs fuels anti-Semitism.

child tantrum

>>Between 1936 and 1939 the Arabs of the British Mandate of Palestine went on a rampage that became known as the "Arab revolt." The Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin el-Husseini, cried to the heavens that the Jews were destroying the al-Aqsa Mosque and agitated his easily agitated people into bloody rampages that lasted for years. The British, seeking to calm the situation, initiated the Peel Commission which recommended a division of the land between Arabs and Jews in order to ease tensions and create peace between the vast Arab majority and the tiny Jewish minority in the Middle East.

During their investigations they met with Syrian Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, who told them:

There is no such country as Palestine. ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. ‘Palestine’ is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it.

What are we to make of the fact that it is only within living memory that the Arabs of that small portion of the world fashioned themselves as a distinct ethnicity or nationality known as "Palestinians"? They did so, with the encouragement of Yassir Arafat and the Soviets, for the purpose of contesting Jewish claims to Jewish land after the establishment of Israel. The majority of Arabs in the region only took on "Palestinian" identity after the the 6 Day War of 1967, appropriating it from the Jews.

It has to be understood that all national identities start somewhere in time and place. "American" identity, which is to say the identity of people who live in, or are citizens of, what is now the United States, emerged toward the end of the 18th century and did not completely solidify until after the Civil War. Jewish identity, of course, is well over 3,000 years old, which makes the Jewish people one of the oldest surviving nationalities, along with the Chinese, on the planet today. <<

You can go to any arab library and do the research yourself. Just because you might not like a quote does not mean it is not substantiated.
Yup. I bet they didn't tell him at the mosque that the biggest deniers of a "Palestine" were the Arab themselves.
 
Totally not.

Israel is a soveriegn nation, and Jews around the world are no more responsible for it's actions and policies than Muslims around the world are for policies in Muslim dominant countries or Christians around the world are for policies are in Christian dominant countries.
Yeah, but Toastman's from Canada and I hold him personally responsible for Bryan Adams.
 
Freedman was an apostate, so no longer Jewish as far as religion goes....
 
Truth breed anti semitism? How very IslamoNazi of you.

The reason that you can't disprove them is because you googled them and found them to be true.

Stop whining, DEFEAT67.

Only a liar or a coward posts quotes without sources.

But we all know you are both.

Your lies and cowardice fuels anti-Semitism and leads to injured Jews around the world.

I urge you to stop fueling anti-Semitism.


So tell us, Herr Weil Ich Weiss, after you graduated from high school last year, what did your cousins have to say about the Jews when you visited them in Gaza? After all, you have been so busy posting away so surely you would like to tell us about the anti-Semitism in the Gaza Strip since you seem to be talking about fueling anti-Semitism and threatening what is going to happen to the Jews.
 
Let us hear what other Arabs have said:

"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it".
- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 -

"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not".
- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946 -

"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria".
- Representant of Saudi Arabia at the United Nations, 1956 -

Concerning the Holy Land, the chairman of the Syrian Delegation at the Paris Peace Conference in February 1919 stated:

"The only Arab domination since the Conquest in 635 c.e. hardly lasted, as such, 22 years".

You should stop pulling false and unsubstantiated quotes out of your ass. It only increases anti-Semitism. Lies about Muslims and Arabs fuels anti-Semitism.

child tantrum

>>Between 1936 and 1939 the Arabs of the British Mandate of Palestine went on a rampage that became known as the "Arab revolt." The Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin el-Husseini, cried to the heavens that the Jews were destroying the al-Aqsa Mosque and agitated his easily agitated people into bloody rampages that lasted for years. The British, seeking to calm the situation, initiated the Peel Commission which recommended a division of the land between Arabs and Jews in order to ease tensions and create peace between the vast Arab majority and the tiny Jewish minority in the Middle East.

During their investigations they met with Syrian Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, who told them:

There is no such country as Palestine. ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. ‘Palestine’ is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it.

What are we to make of the fact that it is only within living memory that the Arabs of that small portion of the world fashioned themselves as a distinct ethnicity or nationality known as "Palestinians"? They did so, with the encouragement of Yassir Arafat and the Soviets, for the purpose of contesting Jewish claims to Jewish land after the establishment of Israel. The majority of Arabs in the region only took on "Palestinian" identity after the the 6 Day War of 1967, appropriating it from the Jews.

It has to be understood that all national identities start somewhere in time and place. "American" identity, which is to say the identity of people who live in, or are citizens of, what is now the United States, emerged toward the end of the 18th century and did not completely solidify until after the Civil War. Jewish identity, of course, is well over 3,000 years old, which makes the Jewish people one of the oldest surviving nationalities, along with the Chinese, on the planet today. <<

You can go to any arab library and do the research yourself. Just because you might not like a quote does not mean it is not substantiated.

The Treaty of Peace between the allied powers and Turkey officially ending World War I was signed in Lausanne, Switzerland, on 24 July 1923.121 Setting out the legal status of the territories detached from Turkey, the Treaty had the effect of law in Palestine, as it was extended to this country by an ordinance,122 on 6 August 1924.

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel
 
Truth breed anti semitism? How very IslamoNazi of you.

The reason that you can't disprove them is because you googled them and found them to be true.

Stop whining, DEFEAT67.

Only a liar or a coward posts quotes without sources.

But we all know you are both.

Your lies and cowardice fuels anti-Semitism and leads to injured Jews around the world.

I urge you to stop fueling anti-Semitism.


So tell us, Herr Weil Ich Weiss, after you graduated from high school last year, what did your cousins have to say about the Jews when you visited them in Gaza? After all, you have been so busy posting away so surely you would like to tell us about the anti-Semitism in the Gaza Strip since you seem to be talking about fueling anti-Semitism and threatening what is going to happen to the Jews.

Jews spending the day in Gaza.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2eLFtfeowY]Codepink built a playground at beach camp in Gaza - YouTube[/ame]
 
Only a liar or a coward posts quotes without sources.

But we all know you are both.

Your lies and cowardice fuels anti-Semitism and leads to injured Jews around the world.

I urge you to stop fueling anti-Semitism.


So tell us, Herr Weil Ich Weiss, after you graduated from high school last year, what did your cousins have to say about the Jews when you visited them in Gaza? After all, you have been so busy posting away so surely you would like to tell us about the anti-Semitism in the Gaza Strip since you seem to be talking about fueling anti-Semitism and threatening what is going to happen to the Jews.

Jews spending the day in Gaza.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2eLFtfeowY]Codepink built a playground at beach camp in Gaza - YouTube[/ame]

Naturally we get Mr. Tinmore digging into his hoard of videos to show us one that he has posted before. We all know about these Leftist Code Pink Ladies, Mr. Tinmore. Are you having a problem with allowing Mr. Weil Ich Weiss. tell us about his summer vacation in Gaza. If you don't realize by now who Mr. Weil Ich Weiss is, you are very, very slow on the uptake. No one is asking you about your relatives, are they?
 
You should stop pulling false and unsubstantiated quotes out of your ass. It only increases anti-Semitism. Lies about Muslims and Arabs fuels anti-Semitism.

child tantrum

>>Between 1936 and 1939 the Arabs of the British Mandate of Palestine went on a rampage that became known as the "Arab revolt." The Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin el-Husseini, cried to the heavens that the Jews were destroying the al-Aqsa Mosque and agitated his easily agitated people into bloody rampages that lasted for years. The British, seeking to calm the situation, initiated the Peel Commission which recommended a division of the land between Arabs and Jews in order to ease tensions and create peace between the vast Arab majority and the tiny Jewish minority in the Middle East.

During their investigations they met with Syrian Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, who told them:

There is no such country as Palestine. ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. ‘Palestine’ is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it.

What are we to make of the fact that it is only within living memory that the Arabs of that small portion of the world fashioned themselves as a distinct ethnicity or nationality known as "Palestinians"? They did so, with the encouragement of Yassir Arafat and the Soviets, for the purpose of contesting Jewish claims to Jewish land after the establishment of Israel. The majority of Arabs in the region only took on "Palestinian" identity after the the 6 Day War of 1967, appropriating it from the Jews.

It has to be understood that all national identities start somewhere in time and place. "American" identity, which is to say the identity of people who live in, or are citizens of, what is now the United States, emerged toward the end of the 18th century and did not completely solidify until after the Civil War. Jewish identity, of course, is well over 3,000 years old, which makes the Jewish people one of the oldest surviving nationalities, along with the Chinese, on the planet today. <<

You can go to any arab library and do the research yourself. Just because you might not like a quote does not mean it is not substantiated.

The Treaty of Peace between the allied powers and Turkey officially ending World War I was signed in Lausanne, Switzerland, on 24 July 1923.121 Setting out the legal status of the territories detached from Turkey, the Treaty had the effect of law in Palestine, as it was extended to this country by an ordinance,122 on 6 August 1924.

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel
Did Palestine obtain a seperate nationality? If so what nationality. And don't say Palestine nationality 'cause there ain't no Palestine no way no how.
 
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David Ben Gurion wanted a secular Israel.
So?
Why should a Jew, observant or secular, in 2014 care what DBG wanted?
That's like saying every one of the FFs of the US agreed 100% on the Constitution; they DIDN'T.
What a stupid argument.

All I know is that God has caused miraculous military victories for Jews, observant AND secular, since 1948.
 
So tell us, Herr Weil Ich Weiss, after you graduated from high school last year, what did your cousins have to say about the Jews when you visited them in Gaza? After all, you have been so busy posting away so surely you would like to tell us about the anti-Semitism in the Gaza Strip since you seem to be talking about fueling anti-Semitism and threatening what is going to happen to the Jews.

Jews spending the day in Gaza. :eusa_whistle:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2eLFtfeowY]Codepink built a playground at beach camp in Gaza - YouTube[/ame]

Naturally we get Mr. Tinmore digging into his hoard of videos to show us one that he has posted before. We all know about these Leftist Code Pink Ladies, Mr. Tinmore. Are you having a problem with allowing Mr. Weil Ich Weiss. tell us about his summer vacation in Gaza. If you don't realize by now who Mr. Weil Ich Weiss is, you are very, very slow on the uptake. No one is asking you about your relatives, are they?

How about more "leftists" visiting Gaza?

nki1.jpg
 

Naturally we get Mr. Tinmore digging into his hoard of videos to show us one that he has posted before. We all know about these Leftist Code Pink Ladies, Mr. Tinmore. Are you having a problem with allowing Mr. Weil Ich Weiss. tell us about his summer vacation in Gaza. If you don't realize by now who Mr. Weil Ich Weiss is, you are very, very slow on the uptake. No one is asking you about your relatives, are they?

How about more "leftists" visiting Gaza?

nki1.jpg
How about not posting that photo and that video again. We've only seen them two hundred times.
 
child tantrum

>>Between 1936 and 1939 the Arabs of the British Mandate of Palestine went on a rampage that became known as the "Arab revolt." The Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin el-Husseini, cried to the heavens that the Jews were destroying the al-Aqsa Mosque and agitated his easily agitated people into bloody rampages that lasted for years. The British, seeking to calm the situation, initiated the Peel Commission which recommended a division of the land between Arabs and Jews in order to ease tensions and create peace between the vast Arab majority and the tiny Jewish minority in the Middle East.

During their investigations they met with Syrian Arab leader, Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, who told them:

There is no such country as Palestine. ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. ‘Palestine’ is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it.

What are we to make of the fact that it is only within living memory that the Arabs of that small portion of the world fashioned themselves as a distinct ethnicity or nationality known as "Palestinians"? They did so, with the encouragement of Yassir Arafat and the Soviets, for the purpose of contesting Jewish claims to Jewish land after the establishment of Israel. The majority of Arabs in the region only took on "Palestinian" identity after the the 6 Day War of 1967, appropriating it from the Jews.

It has to be understood that all national identities start somewhere in time and place. "American" identity, which is to say the identity of people who live in, or are citizens of, what is now the United States, emerged toward the end of the 18th century and did not completely solidify until after the Civil War. Jewish identity, of course, is well over 3,000 years old, which makes the Jewish people one of the oldest surviving nationalities, along with the Chinese, on the planet today. <<

You can go to any arab library and do the research yourself. Just because you might not like a quote does not mean it is not substantiated.

The Treaty of Peace between the allied powers and Turkey officially ending World War I was signed in Lausanne, Switzerland, on 24 July 1923.121 Setting out the legal status of the territories detached from Turkey, the Treaty had the effect of law in Palestine, as it was extended to this country by an ordinance,122 on 6 August 1924.

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel
Did Palestine obtain a seperate nationality? If so what nationality. And don't say Palestine nationality 'cause there ain't no Palestine no way no how.

The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

84To qualify for Palestinian nationality by virtue of this paragraph, the person had to be: (1) a Turkish subject, or citizen; and (2) habitually resident in Palestine. While Palestinian nationality in accordance with international law (the Treaty of Lausanne) was created, as shown above, on 6 August 1924, the same nationality was effectively created on 1 August 1925 based on domestic law (the Palestinian Citizenship Order).

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel
 
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