"Israeli policies don't affect anti-Semitism"

[Victory67]

Really??? It seems to me that more Jews had to leave their Middle East countries. Furthermore, it was once figured out that if everyone was compensated, the Jews of the Middle East would be owed ten times as much as the "Palestinians." Do you ever have anything to say about your friends who are busy killing others in different places in the Middle East and other locations? I once read about a book by an honest Muslims, Khalid something or other, that Muslims are always in denial about what their fellow Muslims have done and are now doing. Given what is actually happening today, all we see them doing is whining about Israel and nothing else.

That's because you dont know the facts or get your facts from dishonest websites.

More Arabs fled Israel.

 

[Indeependent]

Maybe they eat better. Anyhow with this population jump, it only shows the readers what baloney it is when it is said that the Israeli Jews are committing genocide against the Arabs.

Its also shows that the Arab population growth from 1922 to 1947 can very much be due simply to natural increase.

Absolutely as they pop out about 16 babies per wife.
That's where the supply of uneducated, starving, indoctrinated Arabs come from.
Rather sad.
Of course, they're doing this all over Europe which is why Europe getting pissed off at them.

 

[Victory67]

Absolutely as they pop out about 16 babies per wife.
That's where the supply of uneducated, starving, indoctrinated Arabs come from.
Rather sad.
Of course, they're doing this all over Europe which is why Europe getting pissed off at them.

Most Arabs in Israel are uneducated and starving? This doesn't reflect well on Israel's education and medical system. Discrimination is probably to blame.

 

[Indeependent]

Absolutely as they pop out about 16 babies per wife.
That's where the supply of uneducated, starving, indoctrinated Arabs come from.
Rather sad.
Of course, they're doing this all over Europe which is why Europe getting pissed off at them.

Most Arabs in Israel are uneducated and starving? This doesn't reflect well on Israel's education and medical system. Discrimination is probably to blame.

We loathe having Jewish children blown up in the classroom or recess.

 

[Sally]

Really??? It seems to me that more Jews had to leave their Middle East countries. Furthermore, it was once figured out that if everyone was compensated, the Jews of the Middle East would be owed ten times as much as the "Palestinians." Do you ever have anything to say about your friends who are busy killing others in different places in the Middle East and other locations? I once read about a book by an honest Muslims, Khalid something or other, that Muslims are always in denial about what their fellow Muslims have done and are now doing. Given what is actually happening today, all we see them doing is whining about Israel and nothing else.

That's because you dont know the facts or get your facts from dishonest websites.

More Arabs fled Israel.

Yes we certainly know (according to the Muslims of course). Were you there? Speaking of dishonest websites, the Arab propaganda sites are something to behold!!!

 

[Sally]

Maybe they eat better. Anyhow with this population jump, it only shows the readers what baloney it is when it is said that the Israeli Jews are committing genocide against the Arabs.

Its also shows that the Arab population growth from 1922 to 1947 can very much be due simply to natural increase.

Actually it shows that they should practice birth control. I remember about the time of the last Intifada, there was an interview with an Arab woman. She was bemoaning the fact that she was pregnant with her tenth child and did not know how she was going to feed all her children. Meanwhile, you probably are unaware of it because you just want to moan and groan about Israel, that the biggest problem facing the world today is population growth.

Say, does anyone remember the story about that "Palestinian" guy where one or two of his four wives had just given birth to his 54th child, and he claimed that he was aiming for a 100? No doubt there are other men just like him living in Israel with more than one wife and having a slew of kids with each wife. And, Israel has to pay benefits for all of these people.

 

[MaryL]

Of course, It's like anti-Islamic sentiment has nothing to do with 9/11 or suicide bombers, either. Let's put that in perspective. Then think twice about this issue. The drive to create Israel was driven by European anti-Semitism to begin with. Auschwitz, Birkenau, who and what made that happen? Muslims want to destroy Israel. I think of Syria now, that corner Muslims Arabs painted themselves into, and who are they going to blame that mess on?

 

[Victory67]

We loathe having Jewish children blown up in the classroom or recess.

You mean "Israeli children", right?

Or are the lives of Jewish Israelis more valuable to you than Arab Israelis.

 

[aris2chat]

That's idiotic..

Palestinians aren't from Saudi Arabia. Their cultures are NOTHING alike.

But then I seriously doubt that Sally has much education.... and she certainly hasn't ever traveled to KSA or Lebanon or Syria or Palestine.

Does one have to travel like Shaarona is claiming that she has traveled (like eveyrone believes her here!!). Meanwhile, my husband has been around the world five times, and he can certainly tell Shaarona a thing or two.

I believe she's traveled...
and I believe aris2chat has traveled...

though their perspectives differ - their posts are interesting and informative...

I believe your husband has traveled...however, you are making claims to knowledge by riding on his coat tails, so your knowledge is second hand.

If he can tell Shaarona a thing or two, by all means invite him to join USMB

As an aside, people have come to the U.S. from many different countries in the world (especially at the end of the 1800's to the early 1900's) and each group had different cultures. However, as the years passed, the children and grandchildren didn't immerse themselves into the cultures of these different countries but became citizens of the American culture. People do start to assimilate into the culture in which they are living. Of course there are hold-outs, as we see happening in Europe.

That is still true with today's immigrant groups, and even in Europe. Where there are "hold outs" as you say - there are also mitigating factors that we don't have in the US nor in the UK.

Citizenship is a big factor in integration into the larger culture - countries with a history of guestworker programs have large populations of foriegn non-citizens (usually without their families) living for years but with no possibility of citizenship. I think that discourages assimilation and it is also often reinforced by segregation based on economic levels and class.

Another factor (I don't recall where I read this) pertains to those countries, like France, who offer citizenship to anyone from it's former colonies. Unlike Britain, France's former colonies were often poor and left in bad shape when they attained independence (England tended to invest heavily in civil service and infrastructure in their colonies and attracted immigrants that were at a higher educational level). Also, many of the immigrants to France came from very poor and very uneducated regions (for example rural villages in Algiers) and when they immigrated, they tended to import their (uneducated) religious leaders. That kind of population can make integration harder especially when coupled with a larger economic and cultural segregation and lack of good paying jobs to encourage upward mobility.

That's something we, in the US, have not experienced.

Maybe they eat better. Anyhow with this population jump, it only shows the readers what baloney it is when it is said that the Israeli Jews are committing genocide against the Arabs.

Its also shows that the Arab population growth from 1922 to 1947 can very much be due simply to natural increase.

Birth rate is nearly 8x the average. Over population gone amok. The globe, let along the region cannot support so many. Water is finite, it might circulate the globe but there is still only so much on our planet. People with limited resources cannot provide for so many children. Child mortality and medical care means more children live to adulthood. Disease, famine, poverty, dangers of childbirth and even war in the past kept population growth in check. Places like china force families to have only one child.
Most countries it is about 1.7. In religious cultures it is 3. Education, illiteracy is part of the problem. Apart from a global pandemic that would cut the population by at least a third, we will have out grown the resources of this planet far too soon.
Sad fact the world has to face.

 

[MaryL]

Assad has used nerve gas against his own people. It's a muddled issue, Syria. Gassing people is a rather extreme measure. Gassing, degradation, horror, Muslims seem to take it as a matter of course when they do it to each other. But they are outraged when it happens to them...by a non Muslim? Then they are outraged and commit mass horrors in revenge at the slightest twinge.

 

[Victory67]

Takes a real idiot to think Israeli policies don't affect anti-Semitism.

An idiot full of dishonesty or very wishful thinking.

But I think this European was just trying to kiss some Israeli ass.

 

[Coyote]

Does one have to travel like Shaarona is claiming that she has traveled (like eveyrone believes her here!!). Meanwhile, my husband has been around the world five times, and he can certainly tell Shaarona a thing or two.

I believe she's traveled...
and I believe aris2chat has traveled...

though their perspectives differ - their posts are interesting and informative...

I believe your husband has traveled...however, you are making claims to knowledge by riding on his coat tails, so your knowledge is second hand.

If he can tell Shaarona a thing or two, by all means invite him to join USMB



That is still true with today's immigrant groups, and even in Europe. Where there are "hold outs" as you say - there are also mitigating factors that we don't have in the US nor in the UK.

Citizenship is a big factor in integration into the larger culture - countries with a history of guestworker programs have large populations of foriegn non-citizens (usually without their families) living for years but with no possibility of citizenship. I think that discourages assimilation and it is also often reinforced by segregation based on economic levels and class.

Another factor (I don't recall where I read this) pertains to those countries, like France, who offer citizenship to anyone from it's former colonies. Unlike Britain, France's former colonies were often poor and left in bad shape when they attained independence (England tended to invest heavily in civil service and infrastructure in their colonies and attracted immigrants that were at a higher educational level). Also, many of the immigrants to France came from very poor and very uneducated regions (for example rural villages in Algiers) and when they immigrated, they tended to import their (uneducated) religious leaders. That kind of population can make integration harder especially when coupled with a larger economic and cultural segregation and lack of good paying jobs to encourage upward mobility.

That's something we, in the US, have not experienced.

Maybe they eat better. Anyhow with this population jump, it only shows the readers what baloney it is when it is said that the Israeli Jews are committing genocide against the Arabs.

Its also shows that the Arab population growth from 1922 to 1947 can very much be due simply to natural increase.

Birth rate is nearly 8x the average. Over population gone amok. The globe, let along the region cannot support so many. Water is finite, it might circulate the globe but there is still only so much on our planet. People with limited resources cannot provide for so many children. Child mortality and medical care means more children live to adulthood. Disease, famine, poverty, dangers of childbirth and even war in the past kept population growth in check. Places like china force families to have only one child.
Most countries it is about 1.7. In religious cultures it is 3. Education, illiteracy is part of the problem. Apart from a global pandemic that would cut the population by at least a third, we will have out grown the resources of this planet far too soon.
Sad fact the world has to face.

What is it about religion and the "be fruitful and multiply" thing?

But there is another factor in many of those places - children are the only Social Security system they have - the more children (esp male children) you can bring into adulthood, the better chances you will have being taken care of in old age.

 

[Coyote]

Takes a real idiot to think Israeli policies don't affect anti-Semitism.

An idiot full of dishonesty or very wishful thinking.

But I think this European was just trying to kiss some Israeli ass.

It may effect anti-semitism, in those who are already anti-semitic - but I haven't seen any actual evidence that it causes anti-semitism in otherwise unbiased people. Many people who are sharply critical of Israeli policies do not attribute it to Jews generically.

Anti-semitism has an old history and it's never completely disappeared - it just goes dormant until events like economic stress, or political instability brings it out in the open again. Israel's actions might be one of those events - but I don't see it as causal.

 

[Indeependent]

We loathe having Jewish children blown up in the classroom or recess.

You mean "Israeli children", right?

Or are the lives of Jewish Israelis more valuable to you than Arab Israelis.

Jewish and Christian...They are far less likely to become irrational suicide bombers.
Does my honesty disturb you?
Good; it should.

 

[Coyote]

>>
I believe she's traveled...
and I believe aris2chat has traveled...

though their perspectives differ - their posts are interesting and informative..<<

My travels filled a few passports. My mother owned a travel agency and my father, when he retired, later became of commercial pilot, among other things. Not much traveling in the last 30 yrs though. I have family that lives or works throughout so I stay in touch with life there. I loved discovering new cultures and learning about people. My interests not veer towards archaeology rather than anthropology, except in religion which was my major.
I had the luxury of a very broad education thanks to my parents. Now I have a son that speaks more languages than I did. I never stop learning, keeps the brain cells active. As the eyes go, it is easier to read on the computer, much faster and more convenient.
Now my travels are via my computer. Can't stand planes these days, but will suffer occasionally to see my grandkids. My brother had go back for our father's memorials. No way I could stand such long flights, or eating so much. He had to deal with the business matters anyway. We had already had a service here.
Yes, I expect my perspective it different. We lived in different areas, thought crossed many of the same paths in out travels. I expect we have know the same places at very different time.

You sound as if you've had a fascinating life - I enjoy your posts!

 

[Indeependent]

I believe she's traveled...
and I believe aris2chat has traveled...

though their perspectives differ - their posts are interesting and informative...

I believe your husband has traveled...however, you are making claims to knowledge by riding on his coat tails, so your knowledge is second hand.

If he can tell Shaarona a thing or two, by all means invite him to join USMB



That is still true with today's immigrant groups, and even in Europe. Where there are "hold outs" as you say - there are also mitigating factors that we don't have in the US nor in the UK.

Citizenship is a big factor in integration into the larger culture - countries with a history of guestworker programs have large populations of foriegn non-citizens (usually without their families) living for years but with no possibility of citizenship. I think that discourages assimilation and it is also often reinforced by segregation based on economic levels and class.

Another factor (I don't recall where I read this) pertains to those countries, like France, who offer citizenship to anyone from it's former colonies. Unlike Britain, France's former colonies were often poor and left in bad shape when they attained independence (England tended to invest heavily in civil service and infrastructure in their colonies and attracted immigrants that were at a higher educational level). Also, many of the immigrants to France came from very poor and very uneducated regions (for example rural villages in Algiers) and when they immigrated, they tended to import their (uneducated) religious leaders. That kind of population can make integration harder especially when coupled with a larger economic and cultural segregation and lack of good paying jobs to encourage upward mobility.

That's something we, in the US, have not experienced.

Its also shows that the Arab population growth from 1922 to 1947 can very much be due simply to natural increase.

Birth rate is nearly 8x the average. Over population gone amok. The globe, let along the region cannot support so many. Water is finite, it might circulate the globe but there is still only so much on our planet. People with limited resources cannot provide for so many children. Child mortality and medical care means more children live to adulthood. Disease, famine, poverty, dangers of childbirth and even war in the past kept population growth in check. Places like china force families to have only one child.
Most countries it is about 1.7. In religious cultures it is 3. Education, illiteracy is part of the problem. Apart from a global pandemic that would cut the population by at least a third, we will have out grown the resources of this planet far too soon.
Sad fact the world has to face.

What is it about religion and the "be fruitful and multiply" thing?

But there is another factor in many of those places - children are the only Social Security system they have - the more children (esp male children) you can bring into adulthood, the better chances you will have being taken care of in old age.

The Talmudic discussion on this phrase...
[1] A couple should have at least two children.
[2] A couple is required to have at least one child of each gender.

Moshe had two sons; no daughters.

 

[Sally]

Takes a real idiot to think Israeli policies don't affect anti-Semitism.

An idiot full of dishonesty or very wishful thinking.

But I think this European was just trying to kiss some Israeli ass.

It takes a real idiot (without honesty) to think that the Muslim actions against others don't affect the thinking of those who see what is happening. Are you trying to tell us that you are proud of your own little ass? Don't you think that your own little ass is going to spread with you being on here day and night around the clock? Go out on the streets of American and ask the passerbys if they like your cute ass and if they like what the Muslims are doing to others.

 

[Indeependent]

Takes a real idiot to think Israeli policies don't affect anti-Semitism.

An idiot full of dishonesty or very wishful thinking.

But I think this European was just trying to kiss some Israeli ass.

It takes a real idiot (without honesty) to think that the Muslim actions against others don't affect the thinking of those who see what is happening. Are you trying to tell us that you are proud of your own little ass? Don't you think that your own little ass is going to spread with you being on here day and night around the clock? Go out on the streets of American and ask the passerbys if they like your cute ass and if they like what the Muslims are doing to others.

My opinion is that Moslems are better at multiplying than being warriors.

 

[Victory67]

Jewish and Christian...They are far less likely to become irrational suicide bombers.
Does my honesty disturb you?
Good; it should.

So you don't care about Muslim Israeli children. I see.

Such attitudes fuel anti-Semitism and lead to dead Jews.

 

[Victory67]

It takes a real idiot (without honesty) to think that the Muslim actions against others don't affect the thinking of those who see what is happening. Are you trying to tell us that you are proud of your own little ass? Don't you think that your own little ass is going to spread with you being on here day and night around the clock? Go out on the streets of American and ask the passerbys if they like your cute ass and if they like what the Muslims are doing to others.

The topic of this thread is how Israeli actions fuel anti-Semitism, not my incredibly perfect ass.

By the way, thanks for noticing.