"Israeli policies don't affect anti-Semitism"

[Delta4Embassy]

EU parliament chief: Israeli policies have no impact on European anti-Semitism | JPost | Israel News

This is what the European Union Parliament Chief said at the Knesset.

This man is either as ignorant as a dead tree stump or is working his hardest to make Israelis happy.

Of course Isreali policies increase or decrease anti-Semitism.

Just as American policies increase or decrease hatred of the USA.

Its absurd to believe otherwise.

When Israel does the right thing and treats the territories and the Palestinians fairly, Israelis and by extension Jews are judged by this.

When Israel expands settlements, steals more Arab land, kills more Palestinian children, strips more Palestinians of their Permanent Residency status in East Jerusalem, Israelis and by extension Jews are judged by this.

Its only common sense.

So you think it's fair to display hatred towards Jews in Europe because of Israel's policies?

Totally not.

Israel is a soveriegn nation, and Jews around the world are no more responsible for it's actions and policies than Muslims around the world are for policies in Muslim dominant countries or Christians around the world are for policies are in Christian dominant countries.

The author of the article makes a good point:

]Anti-Semitism has been a constant in Europe, and that hasn't changed irrespective of what goes on in the Middle East, the president of the European Parliament, who is in Israel to deliver a speech to the Knesset later Wednesday, told The Jerusalem Post.

"Anti-Semitism always existed in Europe," said EU Parliament chief Martin Schulz. "I thought that after World War II we were stronger in fighting such demons in politics. This is a deception. Nothing disappeared, all the prejudice is there."

I think we saw that in the Norway anti-semitism thread where there was plenty of historic evidence to support this, unfortunately.

But there are two parts to this:

Do Israel's policies have an effect on anti-semitism? Not really, other than to provide fuel and justification for an already existing attitude that is directed towards jews in general.

Is criticism of Israel's policies anti-semitism? There is legitimate criticism of Israel's policies and anger at Israel that is directed at Israel specifically, and is fueled by some of it's policies and actions, not by anti-semitism.

The distinction can get blurred because there can be an overlap (Israel's actions provide a mask of "legitimacy" to existing anti-semitic attitudes) - but it's there and it's important to make that distinction.

Criticism of Israeli policies is criticisms of a secular government. Not criticism of Judaism. Thus not anti-semitism as usually defined. But playing armchair quarterback not living in Israel, nor even being Jewish is tiresome. If you don't live in daily fear of a suicide bomber, or rocket landing in your living room you really don't have anything to say about what Israel does to ensure its' own survival.

 

[Coyote]

One of the other hallmarks of the Jew-haters is that they will almost always accuse American Jews of being 'more loyal to Israel' ........ we've seen that right on this thread.

Variations on that 'theme' include assuming that any pro-Israeli poster is an Israeli themselves, or at least a Jew. And making assertions that Americans are 'brainwashed' into supporting Israel....

The fact is, Israel is a close ally of the US and has been so for decades. And the 'default' attitude towards allied nations is going to be positive.

And strangely enough, that bit o' filth appears to have gotten a pass from some purportedly more rational posters here.

I can only talk about the situation in Britain in regards to this but the vast majority of muslims have dual or triple nationality. This has been proven time after time when they travel abroad to train or fight against NATO troops in Iraq and afgahnistan. The Jews I know do not have Israeli citizenship as that means they have to live in Israel or lose the benefits.

I hope this helps dispel the many islamonazi "blood libels" about Jews with dual nationality

I was in Britain and several European countries over the summer.

The situation with the Muslim invasion is disgusting, and the people are not happy about it at all.

People usually aren't happy with "foreigners" and "outsiders" and any group that isn't percieved to fit the majority culture. Why do you think groups like KKK or EDL and tons of others still thrive? Why do you think each wave of immigrants has been met with hostility, stereotypes and discrimmination? Nothing really changes.

 

[Coyote]

So you think it's fair to display hatred towards Jews in Europe because of Israel's policies?

Totally not.

Israel is a soveriegn nation, and Jews around the world are no more responsible for it's actions and policies than Muslims around the world are for policies in Muslim dominant countries or Christians around the world are for policies are in Christian dominant countries.

The author of the article makes a good point:

]Anti-Semitism has been a constant in Europe, and that hasn't changed irrespective of what goes on in the Middle East, the president of the European Parliament, who is in Israel to deliver a speech to the Knesset later Wednesday, told The Jerusalem Post.

"Anti-Semitism always existed in Europe," said EU Parliament chief Martin Schulz. "I thought that after World War II we were stronger in fighting such demons in politics. This is a deception. Nothing disappeared, all the prejudice is there."

I think we saw that in the Norway anti-semitism thread where there was plenty of historic evidence to support this, unfortunately.

But there are two parts to this:

Do Israel's policies have an effect on anti-semitism? Not really, other than to provide fuel and justification for an already existing attitude that is directed towards jews in general.

Is criticism of Israel's policies anti-semitism? There is legitimate criticism of Israel's policies and anger at Israel that is directed at Israel specifically, and is fueled by some of it's policies and actions, not by anti-semitism.

The distinction can get blurred because there can be an overlap (Israel's actions provide a mask of "legitimacy" to existing anti-semitic attitudes) - but it's there and it's important to make that distinction.

Criticism of Israeli policies is criticisms of a secular government. Not criticism of Judaism. Thus not anti-semitism as usually defined. But playing armchair quarterback not living in Israel, nor even being Jewish is tiresome. If you don't live in daily fear of a suicide bomber, or rocket landing in your living room you really don't have anything to say about what Israel does to ensure its' own survival.

People do it all the time with conflicts all over the world. Why does being or not being Jewish have one a greater or lesser right to have an opinion regarding Israel? Should we then state that hearing the constant bashing of Palestinians from non-Palestinians gets tiresome? That if you don't live under an occupation and your children don't face military justice for any misdeed - you really don't have anything to say about what the Palestinians do to gain self-determination?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

One of the other hallmarks of the Jew-haters is that they will almost always accuse American Jews of being 'more loyal to Israel' ........ we've seen that right on this thread.

Variations on that 'theme' include assuming that any pro-Israeli poster is an Israeli themselves, or at least a Jew. And making assertions that Americans are 'brainwashed' into supporting Israel....

The fact is, Israel is a close ally of the US and has been so for decades. And the 'default' attitude towards allied nations is going to be positive.

And strangely enough, that bit o' filth appears to have gotten a pass from some purportedly more rational posters here.

I can only talk about the situation in Britain in regards to this but the vast majority of muslims have dual or triple nationality. This has been proven time after time when they travel abroad to train or fight against NATO troops in Iraq and afgahnistan. The Jews I know do not have Israeli citizenship as that means they have to live in Israel or lose the benefits.

I hope this helps dispel the many islamonazi "blood libels" about Jews with dual nationality

I was in Britain and several European countries over the summer.

The situation with the Muslim invasion is disgusting, and the people are not happy about it at all.

And I'm sure all the people who Britain invaded were just pleased beyond words when their countries became British possessions. Don't see countries who never tried empire suffering from this, just the ones who tried, or are trying to take over the world.

 

[Roudy]

I can only talk about the situation in Britain in regards to this but the vast majority of muslims have dual or triple nationality. This has been proven time after time when they travel abroad to train or fight against NATO troops in Iraq and afgahnistan. The Jews I know do not have Israeli citizenship as that means they have to live in Israel or lose the benefits.

I hope this helps dispel the many islamonazi "blood libels" about Jews with dual nationality

I was in Britain and several European countries over the summer.

The situation with the Muslim invasion is disgusting, and the people are not happy about it at all.

People usually aren't happy with "foreigners" and "outsiders" and any group that isn't percieved to fit the majority culture. Why do you think groups like KKK or EDL and tons of others still thrive? Why do you think each wave of immigrants has been met with hostility, stereotypes and discrimmination? Nothing really changes.

Oh please you have no idea what you are talking about, as usual. Burka clad women and their male masters all over the place, "no go neighborhoods" where the Brits are scared to enter. Terrorism threats. Shariah law problems. This is not an "anti immigration" issue.

 

[Roudy]

I can only talk about the situation in Britain in regards to this but the vast majority of muslims have dual or triple nationality. This has been proven time after time when they travel abroad to train or fight against NATO troops in Iraq and afgahnistan. The Jews I know do not have Israeli citizenship as that means they have to live in Israel or lose the benefits.

I hope this helps dispel the many islamonazi "blood libels" about Jews with dual nationality

I was in Britain and several European countries over the summer.

The situation with the Muslim invasion is disgusting, and the people are not happy about it at all.

And I'm sure all the people who Britain invaded were just pleased beyond words when their countries became British possessions. Don't see countries who never tried empire suffering from this, just the ones who tried, or are trying to take over the world.

So you are admitting this is an invasion just like the British empire of the past then.

And yes, there are are many other countries such as Lebanon that weren't colonialists that fell to the Muslim invasion.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Totally not.

Israel is a soveriegn nation, and Jews around the world are no more responsible for it's actions and policies than Muslims around the world are for policies in Muslim dominant countries or Christians around the world are for policies are in Christian dominant countries.

The author of the article makes a good point:



I think we saw that in the Norway anti-semitism thread where there was plenty of historic evidence to support this, unfortunately.

But there are two parts to this:

Do Israel's policies have an effect on anti-semitism? Not really, other than to provide fuel and justification for an already existing attitude that is directed towards jews in general.

Is criticism of Israel's policies anti-semitism? There is legitimate criticism of Israel's policies and anger at Israel that is directed at Israel specifically, and is fueled by some of it's policies and actions, not by anti-semitism.

The distinction can get blurred because there can be an overlap (Israel's actions provide a mask of "legitimacy" to existing anti-semitic attitudes) - but it's there and it's important to make that distinction.

Criticism of Israeli policies is criticisms of a secular government. Not criticism of Judaism. Thus not anti-semitism as usually defined. But playing armchair quarterback not living in Israel, nor even being Jewish is tiresome. If you don't live in daily fear of a suicide bomber, or rocket landing in your living room you really don't have anything to say about what Israel does to ensure its' own survival.

People do it all the time with conflicts all over the world. Why does being or not being Jewish have one a greater or lesser right to have an opinion regarding Israel? Should we then state that hearing the constant bashing of Palestinians from non-Palestinians gets tiresome? That if you don't live under an occupation and your children don't face military justice for any misdeed - you really don't have anything to say about what the Palestinians do to gain self-determination?

Yes, but that doesn't make it right. Perhaps if uninvolved parties quit using other peoples' conflicts as their proxies there wouldn't be so many. Other than for personal amusement, if you're uninvolved in something why make it your business in the first place? If not Israeli or Palestinian, Jewish or Muslim, and you're sitting safe and sound thousands of miles away not suffering from their woes, telling either side how they should be is ridiculous.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Israel hasn't enjoyed a single year of peace since 1947. Maybe if the whole world wasn't involved in the goings on there we could get together with our opposition and settle things without shouts from the cheap seats messing things up. All I'm saying. It's like a schoolyard fight, both sides face each other down, but are reluctant to throw the first blow not wanting tog et hit back. But the onlookers' who wont suffer from punches to the face taunt and jeer both wanting to see them fight.

 

[Coyote]

I was in Britain and several European countries over the summer.

The situation with the Muslim invasion is disgusting, and the people are not happy about it at all.

People usually aren't happy with "foreigners" and "outsiders" and any group that isn't percieved to fit the majority culture. Why do you think groups like KKK or EDL and tons of others still thrive? Why do you think each wave of immigrants has been met with hostility, stereotypes and discrimmination? Nothing really changes.

Oh please you have no idea what you are talking about, as usual. Burka clad women and their male masters all over the place, "no go neighborhoods" where the Brits are scared to enter. Terrorism threats. Shariah law problems. This is not an "anti immigration" issue.

It is an anti-immigration issue, and it's as old as the human race. Every major immigration wave has been met with the same type of rhetoric, conspiracy-theory logic, stereotypes, and hostility. The difference now is disinformation can be rapidly spread as "truth" in a way never before known. Poll after poll, study after study has been posted that shows the vast majority of Britain's muslim immigrants are well integrated, less likely to support violence than their native compatriots, and do not support sharia as the "law of the land" - but all it takes is the extreme examples and exceptions to generate the hate rhetoric. Again - that's why groups like the KKK and the EDL find a sympathetic audience.

 

[Victory67]

This isn't about right or wrong, just or unjust. Its about reality.

And the reality is that racist and illegal policies by Israel pours fuel on the fire of anti-Semitism around the world.

Racist and fascist statements by Zionists in Israel and around the world fuels anti-Semitism.

When Israel does something racist, when a supporter does something racist or says something racist and a Neo-Nazi acts upon those deeds and kills a Jew somewhere around the world, Israel or the supporter shares the blood on their hands.

 

[Coyote]

Israel hasn't enjoyed a single year of peace since 1947. Maybe if the whole world wasn't involved in the goings on there we could get together with our opposition and settle things without shouts from the cheap seats messing things up. All I'm saying. It's like a schoolyard fight, both sides face each other down, but are reluctant to throw the first blow not wanting tog et hit back. But the onlookers' who wont suffer from punches to the face taunt and jeer both wanting to see them fight.

Good point

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Thanks. What people outside of Israel don't appreciate is we're sick of this never-ending conflict. People on both sides want it to be over so we can all enjoy living without constant fear of war. It's outside agitators keeping this thing hot.

 

[Coyote]

This isn't about right or wrong, just or unjust. Its about reality.

And the reality is that racist and illegal policies by Israel pours fuel on the fire of anti-Semitism around the world.

Racist and fascist statements by Zionists in Israel and around the world fuels anti-Semitism.

That's opinion, not necessarily reality.

When Israel does something racist, when a supporter does something racist or says something racist and a Neo-Nazi acts upon those deeds and kills a Jew somewhere around the world, Israel or the supporter shares the blood on their hands.

Neo-Nazi's are going to do it anyway - if they can't find an excuse in Israel's policies, they'll make up something. What Israel does or doesn't do in reality makes no difference to those people as long as Israel exists and if it doesn't exist they will still be anti-semitic and find some other reason to attack Jews and any other group they have their sights focused on.

 

[toastman]

This isn't about right or wrong, just or unjust. Its about reality.

And the reality is that racist and illegal policies by Israel pours fuel on the fire of anti-Semitism around the world.

Racist and fascist statements by Zionists in Israel and around the world fuels anti-Semitism.

When Israel does something racist, when a supporter does something racist or says something racist and a Neo-Nazi acts upon those deeds and kills a Jew somewhere around the world, Israel or the supporter shares the blood on their hands.

This is an incredibly ridiculous statement. I don't even know where to start with this one.
you just said that if a Jew is killed somewhere outside Israel because of something that happened in Israel, then Israel is partially responsible for their death ..

 

[Delta4Embassy]

"There is no instance in history of a nation having benefitted from prolonged warfare." Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"

And with that I'm off to more enjoyable threads.

 

[Victory67]

This is an incredibly ridiculous statement. I don't even know where to start with this one.
you just said that if a Jew is killed somewhere outside Israel because of something that happened in Israel, then Israel is partially responsible for their death ..

If Israel demolishes a house and leaves 5 Muslim children homeless and some Muslims kill a Jew in France as retribution, Israel shares the blame.

Israel doesn't exist in a vacuum and the sooner they realize this, the safer World Jewry will be.

 

[Victory67]

How many are supporters and defenders of terrorism, which shows that the vast majority are criminals.
This shows that your JEW HATRED has taken control of your life

He has lost, he knows he has lost and he shows it in true commie fashion by hurling insults.

I've seen no polls showing widespread support by Israeli Arabs for terrorism. You simply have racist ideas about Israeli citizens.

 

[Lipush]

Who might this be?

Was she injured or killed by a Palestinian attack upon an American target?

She was American killed by Palestinians.

She was the American target.

Palestinians aren't America's enemy - terrorists are. You do realize there are Jewish terrorist groups as well?

Nowdays?

Name one.

 

[Lipush]

Palestinians aren't America's enemy - terrorists are. You do realize there are Jewish terrorist groups as well?

Several Jewish terror groups are registered with the State Department. I think Kach, the JDL, and Kahane Chai are some of them. Some more centered in The Jewish State.

Kach was declaied illegal in Israel itself and it no longer exists, as a matter of fact. They've been out of the loop for years, now.

Kahane Chai are mostly hilltop youth, and they aren't recognized in Israel as terrorists. And they are active only in Israel.

As for the JDL, that's up for debate.

 

[Lipush]

Several Jewish terror groups are registered with the State Department. I think Kach, the JDL, and Kahane Chai are some of them. Some more centered in The Jewish State.

LOL Let me know when these 'terrorist groups' launch a suicide bombing campaign on Palestinians

Jewish groups have tried to launch terror attacks on Arabs in Israel.

Baruch Goldstein was a lone-Wolf terrorist who murdered many innocent non-Jews.

Yeah, but he was a lone nutjob, not part of any terrorist group...