Israel was a mistake?

[teddyearp]

Ok, Fred. Along those lines maybe those of European decent should leave the Americas and give it all back to the Native Americans then.

And to further expound upon my point, it is actually similar in some ways to the I/P conflict. The native americans could never get their collective stuff together back then because they were too tribal and fighting each other, just like the Palestinians could not and still can not today; because they are too tribal. If the AIM movement in the late 1970's had picked up more steam and kept at it, there would be walls around every Indian Reservation here. And if they then acquired and fired rockets into the US, the US would bomb the crap out of them. And then . . . . Sound familiar? It does to me on one level anyways.

 

[proudveteran06]

Did you just ask for Israel to give up some of its territory ?

How about this: NEVER!

And this is what it is like to negotiate with a jew.

No wonder we all side with the arabs now. You're on your own Israel. Any jew Americans can go back to Jewville and enlist. Don't ask my children to get involved.

This is why you jews don't mind being in bed with christians who think you're all going to hell. As long as they fight the arabs with you now, that's all you care about.

Well mainstream America is saying no more. We don't want the end of the world to come. We don't want a holy war with Iran. If Iran wants a nuke, let them have one. If they might use it on Isreal, that's a chance we are willing to take.

You're awfully generous with other people's lives.

But then, to skinhead retards like you, Jews aren't human, are they?

Here's a little hint, pointy-hat: The Jew didn't **** up your life.

YOU did.

His " father" ( NOT HIS FAMILY ) !! and others taught him quite well.

 

[billdad19912114]

Israel wasn't a mistake if there is a secret king and no people can see his body anymore which is the truth they could go to Latin America and be gentleman live and keep identity but beat witness to new alliance with Vatican and Mexico and stay away from Asia those parts of the great sea those are random accounts you choose if you sporting for somebody a lot of you all a responsible for somebody being satisfied if you meet somebody for the first time you slide out.

 

[Indeependent]

Israel wasn't a mistake if there is a secret king and no people can see his body anymore which is the truth they could go to Latin America and be gentleman live and keep identity but beat witness to new alliance with Vatican and Mexico and stay away from Asia those parts of the great sea those are random accounts you choose if you sporting for somebody a lot of you all a responsible for somebody being satisfied if you meet somebody for the first time you slide out.

I only ask what you posted because I don't drink.

 

[daveman]

Israel wasn't a mistake if there is a secret king and no people can see his body anymore which is the truth they could go to Latin America and be gentleman live and keep identity but beat witness to new alliance with Vatican and Mexico and stay away from Asia those parts of the great sea those are random accounts you choose if you sporting for somebody a lot of you all a responsible for somebody being satisfied if you meet somebody for the first time you slide out.

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

 

[Indeependent]

Israel wasn't a mistake if there is a secret king and no people can see his body anymore which is the truth they could go to Latin America and be gentleman live and keep identity but beat witness to new alliance with Vatican and Mexico and stay away from Asia those parts of the great sea those are random accounts you choose if you sporting for somebody a lot of you all a responsible for somebody being satisfied if you meet somebody for the first time you slide out.

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

That was a good belly laugh!

 

[proudveteran06]

How about "jews" stop with their racist obsession with inbreeding with "jews?" Assimilate. You will get fewer diseases and become better looking, over time.

Let me guess -- you hit on a Jewish girl once, and she laughed in your face.

Because he didn't size up !!!

 

[MHunterB]

Ah, but we DO marry exogamously - look at Michael Douglas, for example. His son was just bar-mitzvah......... in Israel.

The largest demographic group among US proselytes to Judaism are African-Americans. And there has been a surge in proselytes from Latin American as they re-discover their Jewish roots pre-'Reconquista'.

As with virtually everything that Snotter posts - his words don't match the facts.

 

[MHunterB]

Well mainstream America is saying no more. We don't want the end of the world to come. We don't want a holy war with Iran. If Iran wants a nuke, let them have one. If they might use it on Isreal, that's a chance we are willing to take.

Now that is funny shit.

The biggest laugh is the racist dipwad fantasizing that he's "mainstream America".......

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Israel was a mistake and, like any mistake, should be corrected.

I'm turning to the opinion, all foreign aid, trade and support for Israel should stop, with the exception of giving Israelis foreign passports so they have chance to leave.

The land should then be renamed, "Palestine" and given international status as a legitimate state, with assistance to hold free and fair elections.

Do you agree?

Islam was a mistake and, like any mistake, should be corrected.

 

[teddyearp]

Israel wasn't a mistake if there is a secret king and no people can see his body anymore which is the truth they could go to Latin America and be gentleman live and keep identity but beat witness to new alliance with Vatican and Mexico and stay away from Asia those parts of the great sea those are random accounts you choose if you sporting for somebody a lot of you all a responsible for somebody being satisfied if you meet somebody for the first time you slide out.

I only ask what you posted because I don't drink.

Makes no difference. I do drink and it still makes no sense.

 

[teddyearp]

Islam was a mistake and, like any mistake, should be corrected.

I agree.

 

[Phoenall]

Israel was a mistake and, like any mistake, should be corrected.

I'm turning to the opinion, all foreign aid, trade and support for Israel should stop, with the exception of giving Israelis foreign passports so they have chance to leave.

The land should then be renamed, "Palestine" and given international status as a legitimate state, with assistance to hold free and fair elections.

Do you agree?

NO what should happen is all the arab muslims should be DNA tested and returned to their country of origin, after being branded as land thieves. The ones that are left to be incorporated into Israel as full Isreali citizens and given land and a home in the area they came from. Any hostility from the new citizens will result in eviction without appeal. If they cant live in peace then they have no place in a civilised nation.

 

[Phoenall]

Israel was a mistake and, like any mistake, should be corrected.

I'm turning to the opinion, all foreign aid, trade and support for Israel should stop, with the exception of giving Israelis foreign passports so they have chance to leave.

The land should then be renamed, "Palestine" and given international status as a legitimate state, with assistance to hold free and fair elections.

Do you agree?

Please tell us why " Israel Proper" should be renamed " Palestine". I love posts like yours. After reading them I think of just one thing: REASON 8,000,000 for no " Right of Return". .

It cant be anything other than Israel as the UN have made it CUSTOMARY INTERNATIONAL LAW for Israel to be so named for ever. It would take a UN resolution to alter this one simple fact.

 

[Phoenall]

This is an example of an issue I've wrestled with: how long do you have to live somewhere before it's yours.

With the exception of a very few places, everyone is living on land taken by force or coersion from someone else, sometime in history. I'm not referring to a change in the ruling power, I'm talking about removing the people who lived there by genocide or forced migration or something similar. In places like the Middle East this has been going on for millenia. Jews displaced Arabs, Arabs displaced Romans, Romans displaced Greeks, Greeks displaced Jews, Jews displaced Greeks, etc.

The best answer I could come up with is that if your parents were born in a land you have a right to live on that land. Arbitrary but any answer would be.

That practice only became illegal about a hundred years ago.

We are trying to be a more civilizes world.

There are still some laggards though.

Much less than that if you look at the case of Jerusalem, the arab muslims should be evicted because they have no legal right to be there

 

[Phoenall]

This is an example of an issue I've wrestled with: how long do you have to live somewhere before it's yours.

With the exception of a very few places, everyone is living on land taken by force or coersion from someone else, sometime in history. I'm not referring to a change in the ruling power, I'm talking about removing the people who lived there by genocide or forced migration or something similar. In places like the Middle East this has been going on for millenia. Jews displaced Arabs, Arabs displaced Romans, Romans displaced Greeks, Greeks displaced Jews, Jews displaced Greeks, etc.

The best answer I could come up with is that if your parents were born in a land you have a right to live on that land. Arbitrary but any answer would be.

That's rather a good post, showing logic and compassion.
My bold, is where I have to agree with you, with the exception of the right to land you hold the deeds for.
For instance, there are many families that still hold the deeds for land owned by their families, but those families were forced from that land by invasion. We are talking about living original owners or their first generation family, many of whom were probably residents as children.
The Israeli government could compensate the occupants for their loss of the stolen property they occupy, or pay the deed holders the full market value as compensation.

So they end up with less land than they have now, and I cant see the hamas leaders moving out of their mansions any time soon because some street kid has the deeds to their homes.................

 

[irosie91]

Israel was a mistake and, like any mistake, should be corrected.

I'm turning to the opinion, all foreign aid, trade and support for Israel should stop, with the exception of giving Israelis foreign passports so they have chance to leave.

The land should then be renamed, "Palestine" and given international status as a legitimate state, with assistance to hold free and fair elections.

Do you agree?

NO what should happen is all the arab muslims should be DNA tested and returned to their country of origin, after being branded as land thieves. The ones that are left to be incorporated into Israel as full Isreali citizens and given land and a home in the area they came from. Any hostility from the new citizens will result in eviction without appeal. If they cant live in peace then they have no place in a civilised nation.

you cannot localize people that definitively with DNA testing-----
DNA testing so far amongst jews and arabs have concluded only that
both groups have genetic links to the Levant-----as far as I know---
Saudi Arabia is included as being considered part of the Levant ???
I have a really good idea. What can be done is compare the
DNA of the Bedouins of the ARABIAN DESERT ----with arab muslims
in Israel -----once you hone down ----on an issue you can be
much more accurate about concluding where who originated
I would suggest that arab muslims in Israel who carry SAUDI
DNA ----be shipped back to their homeland----SAUDI ARABIA.

After all----history is history----people from Arabia did INVADE
Palestine. and colonized and became oppressive rulers of the native
populations to the extent that lots of jews fled While we are at it---
we should get those with Arabian DNA out of other places they
invaded ----LIKE IRAQ

 

[Phoenall]

This is an example of an issue I've wrestled with: how long do you have to live somewhere before it's yours.

With the exception of a very few places, everyone is living on land taken by force or coersion from someone else, sometime in history. I'm not referring to a change in the ruling power, I'm talking about removing the people who lived there by genocide or forced migration or something similar. In places like the Middle East this has been going on for millenia. Jews displaced Arabs, Arabs displaced Romans, Romans displaced Greeks, Greeks displaced Jews, Jews displaced Greeks, etc.

The best answer I could come up with is that if your parents were born in a land you have a right to live on that land. Arbitrary but any answer would be.

That's rather a good post, showing logic and compassion.
My bold, is where I have to agree with you, with the exception of the right to land you hold the deeds for.
For instance, there are many families that still hold the deeds for land owned by their families, but those families were forced from that land by invasion. We are talking about living original owners or their first generation family, many of whom were probably residents as children.
The Israeli government could compensate the occupants for their loss of the stolen property they occupy, or pay the deed holders the full market value as compensation.

I take your point. If someone came up with a Roman deed to a piece of land they'd have a legitimate to claim the land. Extreme example maybe but it shows there can be multiple, legitimate claims to the same piece of land.

I think the Israeli government should have no problem paying off deed holders if they were willing to give up title to the land. The problem is that would mean giving up the fight against Israel and there are factions that would never agree to that.

You would find many of the deeds to be forgeries and of recent manufacture, but there is a repository of land owners in Palestine and it is held by the British. This shows that the arab muslims refused to validate their ownership because it meant higher taxes and conscription.

 

[Phoenall]

This is an example of an issue I've wrestled with: how long do you have to live somewhere before it's yours.

With the exception of a very few places, everyone is living on land taken by force or coersion from someone else, sometime in history. I'm not referring to a change in the ruling power, I'm talking about removing the people who lived there by genocide or forced migration or something similar. In places like the Middle East this has been going on for millenia. Jews displaced Arabs, Arabs displaced Romans, Romans displaced Greeks, Greeks displaced Jews, Jews displaced Greeks, etc.

The best answer I could come up with is that if your parents were born in a land you have a right to live on that land. Arbitrary but any answer would be.

Interesting post.

it is also interesting that among the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of immigrants.

So...ah...

Have you forgotten the two year rule already, or doesn't that apply to the Jews ?

 

[irosie91]

This is an example of an issue I've wrestled with: how long do you have to live somewhere before it's yours.

With the exception of a very few places, everyone is living on land taken by force or coersion from someone else, sometime in history. I'm not referring to a change in the ruling power, I'm talking about removing the people who lived there by genocide or forced migration or something similar. In places like the Middle East this has been going on for millenia. Jews displaced Arabs, Arabs displaced Romans, Romans displaced Greeks, Greeks displaced Jews, Jews displaced Greeks, etc.

The best answer I could come up with is that if your parents were born in a land you have a right to live on that land. Arbitrary but any answer would be.

Interesting post.

it is also interesting that among the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of immigrants.

So...ah...

Have you forgotten the two year rule already, or doesn't that apply to the Jews ?

MOOT POINT

how many of the people who signed the declaration of independence in 1776---
BORN IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?

well ----how many? were any of them registered to vote?