Israel Wants Peace

[rylah]

When you post from my links, you reinforce the validity of my position, derived from the facts contained in the linked documents.

So that's what You tell Yourself when someone contradicts You with Your own link?

 

[Phoenall]

When you post from my links, you reinforce the validity of my position, derived from the facts contained in the linked documents.

So that's what You tell Yourself when someone contradicts You with Your own link?

He also claims that it is Zionist hasbara propaganda

 

[MJB12741]

There is no hope for a Palestinian state with or without a unified government.

I sure hope you are wrong about that. Peace loving people like me are for a Palestinian State with self determination so they can't suck off of Israel any longer to provide for them. The questions is where to put it as they want to be totally free from Israel & yet no surrounding Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return back to their native homelands.

 

[montelatici]

When you post from my links, you reinforce the validity of my position, derived from the facts contained in the linked documents.

So that's what You tell Yourself when someone contradicts You with Your own link?

I was never contradicted. If so, the text in the link would have contradicted itself, which is never the case in a peer reviewed UN document. Think logically. Don't just follow that maniac Phoney blindly, or better yet say nothing as it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

 

[montelatici]

There is no hope for a Palestinian state with or without a unified government.

I sure hope you are wrong about that. Peace loving people like me are for a Palestinian State with self determination so they can't suck off of Israel any longer to provide for them. The questions is where to put it as they want to be totally free from Israel & yet no surrounding Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return back to their native homelands.

The homeland of the Palestinian Christians and Muslims is Palestine. The colonists were from Europe. The Palestinians will remain in Palestine and will outnumber the ruling Jews within a generation, two generations tops. Then we shall see what happens. But hopefully, we will see a speech like this:

 

[rylah]

What will change? Aren't there like 10 million arabs around Israel?
Or do You think they'll organize themselves politically to have any significance to their number?

When quality is poor numbers don't play much. Not those numbers.

They are not a nation and never had organized themselves logically.
They can't even pronounce the first latter in "palestine" yet claiming we're fake
with all of their religion and infrastructure coming from us.

Could have peace if they wouldn't be afraid of their arab brothers who
don't wanna see them in their deserts.

"Why should I build my life around, I'll frighten the jew into submission, like we did in Iraq, Yemen and many more before".

 

[ForeverYoung436]

What will change? Aren't there like 10 million arabs around Israel?
Or do You think they'll organize themselves politically to have any significance to their number?

When quality is poor numbers don't play much. Not those numbers.

They are not a nation and never had organized themselves logically.
They can't even pronounce the first latter in "palestine" yet claiming we're fake
with all of their religion and infrastructure coming from us.

Could have peace if they wouldn't be afraid of their arab brothers who
don't wanna see them in their deserts.

"Why should I build my life around, I'll frighten the jew into submission, like we did in Iraq, Yemen and many more before".

That is true. The ancient town of Shechem, where Joseph is buried, was renamed Neapolis by the Romans. The Muslims call it Nablus, because they can't pronounce the "p" sound. How can they be ethnic, authentic "Palestinians", when they can't even pronounce the name of their own country?

 

[montelatici]

When you post from my links, you reinforce the validity of my position, derived from the facts contained in the linked documents.

So that's what You tell Yourself when someone contradicts You with Your own link?

He also claims that it is Zionist hasbara propaganda

No, I have never said such a thing about a UN document, just your editorializing.

 

[montelatici]

What will change? Aren't there like 10 million arabs around Israel?
Or do You think they'll organize themselves politically to have any significance to their number?

When quality is poor numbers don't play much. Not those numbers.

They are not a nation and never had organized themselves logically.
They can't even pronounce the first latter in "palestine" yet claiming we're fake
with all of their religion and infrastructure coming from us.

Could have peace if they wouldn't be afraid of their arab brothers who
don't wanna see them in their deserts.

"Why should I build my life around, I'll frighten the jew into submission, like we did in Iraq, Yemen and many more before".

The Boers had even more blacks around them in nations that are less organized than the Arab states, yet they came to terms with the situation.

 

[MJB12741]

What will change? Aren't there like 10 million arabs around Israel?
Or do You think they'll organize themselves politically to have any significance to their number?

When quality is poor numbers don't play much. Not those numbers.

They are not a nation and never had organized themselves logically.
They can't even pronounce the first latter in "palestine" yet claiming we're fake
with all of their religion and infrastructure coming from us.

Could have peace if they wouldn't be afraid of their arab brothers who
don't wanna see them in their deserts.

"Why should I build my life around, I'll frighten the jew into submission, like we did in Iraq, Yemen and many more before".

The Boers had even more blacks around them in nations that are less organized than the Arab states, yet they came to terms with the situation.

OUTSTANDING POINT! And who said Monte is an imbecile? Hey Monte, isn't it funny how The Boers, (aka Afrikaners), were the descendants of the original Dutch settlers of southern Africa?

 

[Phoenall]

When you post from my links, you reinforce the validity of my position, derived from the facts contained in the linked documents.

So that's what You tell Yourself when someone contradicts You with Your own link?

I was never contradicted. If so, the text in the link would have contradicted itself, which is never the case in a peer reviewed UN document. Think logically. Don't just follow that maniac Phoney blindly, or better yet say nothing as it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

You stopped using links right after it was shown you had cherry picked parts to support your NAZI JEW HATRED POV

 

[aris2chat]

What will change? Aren't there like 10 million arabs around Israel?
Or do You think they'll organize themselves politically to have any significance to their number?

When quality is poor numbers don't play much. Not those numbers.

They are not a nation and never had organized themselves logically.
They can't even pronounce the first latter in "palestine" yet claiming we're fake
with all of their religion and infrastructure coming from us.

Could have peace if they wouldn't be afraid of their arab brothers who
don't wanna see them in their deserts.

"Why should I build my life around, I'll frighten the jew into submission, like we did in Iraq, Yemen and many more before".

That is true. The ancient town of Shechem, where Joseph is buried, was renamed Neapolis by the Romans. The Muslims call it Nablus, because they can't pronounce the "p" sound. How can they be ethnic, authentic "Palestinians", when they can't even pronounce the name of their own country?

Palestine is roman term. Arabs use 'F' instead of 'P'

Problem is filistine sound like philistine, who were agean sea people that invaded parts of the levant and egypt. They were not native and have long since died off.

Palestinians can't even agree on being a people let alone forming any kind of a state today. They are war with themselves. They reject their own refugees and want everyone else to care for them until Israel lets them all move into Israel but not as Israelis. They have few valid deeds and they wouldn't let their own return within the first ten years so they could claim any and they did own, register it, pay taxes on it or do military service within Israel. There are still cases in the Israeli courts that rule in favor of palestinians.

Most refugees were not born in Israel and have never even been to Israel. Their grandparent might have worked or even been born in the mandate, but the children and grandchildren did not. There might be some return for those who actually left but not for their later generations. Even if there were to be any possible 'return' it would be only a limited number and over a period so Israel could find jobs and housing for them, and time for them to learn hebrew. Palestinians had a chance to return through various programs until Oslo. About two thousand a year took advantage of these programs, usually against the effort of the palestinian refugee groups.

There is no single absolute answer for the palestinian identity or refugees. Israel has taken in all the jews forced out of the middle east states, but they are expect to take in all the families of palestinians that left because arabs told them to or to escape the war arabs began? They should have the rights of arab Israelis that stayed and helped build a strong nation? That served in the military? That worked for their homes and children? That are Israeli?

Any long term peace has to be realistic, not based in fantasy and lies.

 

[rylah]

What will change? Aren't there like 10 million arabs around Israel?
Or do You think they'll organize themselves politically to have any significance to their number?

When quality is poor numbers don't play much. Not those numbers.

They are not a nation and never had organized themselves logically.
They can't even pronounce the first latter in "palestine" yet claiming we're fake
with all of their religion and infrastructure coming from us.

Could have peace if they wouldn't be afraid of their arab brothers who
don't wanna see them in their deserts.

"Why should I build my life around, I'll frighten the jew into submission, like we did in Iraq, Yemen and many more before".

The Boers had even more blacks around them in nations that are less organized than the Arab states, yet they came to terms with the situation.

Yeah even cockroaches manage the terms with a human being in his home, or ants for example.
I'm a jew I don't have a problem when roaches invade we come to an agreement
and they don't die in numbers.

But no the balestinians, can't compare 'em logically to any other situation.

So wanna talk about Eskimo tribes fighting for meat?

 

[Phoenall]

When you post from my links, you reinforce the validity of my position, derived from the facts contained in the linked documents.

So that's what You tell Yourself when someone contradicts You with Your own link?

He also claims that it is Zionist hasbara propaganda

No, I have never said such a thing about a UN document, just your editorializing.

So when I post the full paragraph that you had edited the tiny part from to suit your POV it is Zionist hasbara propaganda. Is that what you are saying ?

 

[Phoenall]

What will change? Aren't there like 10 million arabs around Israel?
Or do You think they'll organize themselves politically to have any significance to their number?

When quality is poor numbers don't play much. Not those numbers.

They are not a nation and never had organized themselves logically.
They can't even pronounce the first latter in "palestine" yet claiming we're fake
with all of their religion and infrastructure coming from us.

Could have peace if they wouldn't be afraid of their arab brothers who
don't wanna see them in their deserts.

"Why should I build my life around, I'll frighten the jew into submission, like we did in Iraq, Yemen and many more before".

The Boers had even more blacks around them in nations that are less organized than the Arab states, yet they came to terms with the situation.

Off Topic deflection and derailment number 1

 

[MJB12741]

What will change? Aren't there like 10 million arabs around Israel?
Or do You think they'll organize themselves politically to have any significance to their number?

When quality is poor numbers don't play much. Not those numbers.

They are not a nation and never had organized themselves logically.
They can't even pronounce the first latter in "palestine" yet claiming we're fake
with all of their religion and infrastructure coming from us.

Could have peace if they wouldn't be afraid of their arab brothers who
don't wanna see them in their deserts.

"Why should I build my life around, I'll frighten the jew into submission, like we did in Iraq, Yemen and many more before".

That is true. The ancient town of Shechem, where Joseph is buried, was renamed Neapolis by the Romans. The Muslims call it Nablus, because they can't pronounce the "p" sound. How can they be ethnic, authentic "Palestinians", when they can't even pronounce the name of their own country?

Palestine is roman term. Arabs use 'F' instead of 'P'

Problem is filistine sound like philistine, who were agean sea people that invaded parts of the levant and egypt. They were not native and have long since died off.

Palestinians can't even agree on being a people let alone forming any kind of a state today. They are war with themselves. They reject their own refugees and want everyone else to care for them until Israel lets them all move into Israel but not as Israelis. They have few valid deeds and they wouldn't let their own return within the first ten years so they could claim any and they did own, register it, pay taxes on it or do military service within Israel. There are still cases in the Israeli courts that rule in favor of palestinians.

Most refugees were not born in Israel and have never even been to Israel. Their grandparent might have worked or even been born in the mandate, but the children and grandchildren did not. There might be some return for those who actually left but not for their later generations. Even if there were to be any possible 'return' it would be only a limited number and over a period so Israel could find jobs and housing for them, and time for them to learn hebrew. Palestinians had a chance to return through various programs until Oslo. About two thousand a year took advantage of these programs, usually against the effort of the palestinian refugee groups.

There is no single absolute answer for the palestinian identity or refugees. Israel has taken in all the jews forced out of the middle east states, but they are expect to take in all the families of palestinians that left because arabs told them to or to escape the war arabs began? They should have the rights of arab Israelis that stayed and helped build a strong nation? That served in the military? That worked for their homes and children? That are Israeli?

Any long term peace has to be realistic, not based in fantasy and lies.

It is indeed sad that all surrounding Arab countries, who know the Palestinians best, refuse to grant their Palestifnians a right of return back to their native Arab country homelands.

 

[montelatici]

When you post from my links, you reinforce the validity of my position, derived from the facts contained in the linked documents.

So that's what You tell Yourself when someone contradicts You with Your own link?

I was never contradicted. If so, the text in the link would have contradicted itself, which is never the case in a peer reviewed UN document. Think logically. Don't just follow that maniac Phoney blindly, or better yet say nothing as it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

You stopped using links right after it was shown you had cherry picked parts to support your NAZI JEW HATRED POV

Get a grip. I use all the links I have access to when necessary you maniac.

 

[montelatici]

What will change? Aren't there like 10 million arabs around Israel?
Or do You think they'll organize themselves politically to have any significance to their number?

When quality is poor numbers don't play much. Not those numbers.

They are not a nation and never had organized themselves logically.
They can't even pronounce the first latter in "palestine" yet claiming we're fake
with all of their religion and infrastructure coming from us.

Could have peace if they wouldn't be afraid of their arab brothers who
don't wanna see them in their deserts.

"Why should I build my life around, I'll frighten the jew into submission, like we did in Iraq, Yemen and many more before".

That is true. The ancient town of Shechem, where Joseph is buried, was renamed Neapolis by the Romans. The Muslims call it Nablus, because they can't pronounce the "p" sound. How can they be ethnic, authentic "Palestinians", when they can't even pronounce the name of their own country?

Palestine is roman term. Arabs use 'F' instead of 'P'

Problem is filistine sound like philistine, who were agean sea people that invaded parts of the levant and egypt. They were not native and have long since died off.

Palestinians can't even agree on being a people let alone forming any kind of a state today. They are war with themselves. They reject their own refugees and want everyone else to care for them until Israel lets them all move into Israel but not as Israelis. They have few valid deeds and they wouldn't let their own return within the first ten years so they could claim any and they did own, register it, pay taxes on it or do military service within Israel. There are still cases in the Israeli courts that rule in favor of palestinians.

Most refugees were not born in Israel and have never even been to Israel. Their grandparent might have worked or even been born in the mandate, but the children and grandchildren did not. There might be some return for those who actually left but not for their later generations. Even if there were to be any possible 'return' it would be only a limited number and over a period so Israel could find jobs and housing for them, and time for them to learn hebrew. Palestinians had a chance to return through various programs until Oslo. About two thousand a year took advantage of these programs, usually against the effort of the palestinian refugee groups.

There is no single absolute answer for the palestinian identity or refugees. Israel has taken in all the jews forced out of the middle east states, but they are expect to take in all the families of palestinians that left because arabs told them to or to escape the war arabs began? They should have the rights of arab Israelis that stayed and helped build a strong nation? That served in the military? That worked for their homes and children? That are Israeli?

Any long term peace has to be realistic, not based in fantasy and lies.

It is indeed sad that all surrounding Arab countries, who know the Palestinians best, refuse to grant their Palestifnians a right of return back to their native Arab country homelands.

You mean Palestine the home of the Palestinians, as the name suggests.

 

[MJB12741]

What will change? Aren't there like 10 million arabs around Israel?
Or do You think they'll organize themselves politically to have any significance to their number?

When quality is poor numbers don't play much. Not those numbers.

They are not a nation and never had organized themselves logically.
They can't even pronounce the first latter in "palestine" yet claiming we're fake
with all of their religion and infrastructure coming from us.

Could have peace if they wouldn't be afraid of their arab brothers who
don't wanna see them in their deserts.

"Why should I build my life around, I'll frighten the jew into submission, like we did in Iraq, Yemen and many more before".

That is true. The ancient town of Shechem, where Joseph is buried, was renamed Neapolis by the Romans. The Muslims call it Nablus, because they can't pronounce the "p" sound. How can they be ethnic, authentic "Palestinians", when they can't even pronounce the name of their own country?

Palestine is roman term. Arabs use 'F' instead of 'P'

Problem is filistine sound like philistine, who were agean sea people that invaded parts of the levant and egypt. They were not native and have long since died off.

Palestinians can't even agree on being a people let alone forming any kind of a state today. They are war with themselves. They reject their own refugees and want everyone else to care for them until Israel lets them all move into Israel but not as Israelis. They have few valid deeds and they wouldn't let their own return within the first ten years so they could claim any and they did own, register it, pay taxes on it or do military service within Israel. There are still cases in the Israeli courts that rule in favor of palestinians.

Most refugees were not born in Israel and have never even been to Israel. Their grandparent might have worked or even been born in the mandate, but the children and grandchildren did not. There might be some return for those who actually left but not for their later generations. Even if there were to be any possible 'return' it would be only a limited number and over a period so Israel could find jobs and housing for them, and time for them to learn hebrew. Palestinians had a chance to return through various programs until Oslo. About two thousand a year took advantage of these programs, usually against the effort of the palestinian refugee groups.

There is no single absolute answer for the palestinian identity or refugees. Israel has taken in all the jews forced out of the middle east states, but they are expect to take in all the families of palestinians that left because arabs told them to or to escape the war arabs began? They should have the rights of arab Israelis that stayed and helped build a strong nation? That served in the military? That worked for their homes and children? That are Israeli?

Any long term peace has to be realistic, not based in fantasy and lies.

It is indeed sad that all surrounding Arab countries, who know the Palestinians best, refuse to grant their Palestifnians a right of return back to their native Arab country homelands.

You mean Palestine the home of the Palestinians, as the name suggests.

Jews were native Palestinians. The overwhelming majority of today's Palestinians are Muslim squatters with no titles or deeds whatsoever to the land they stole. In some cases even for generations now.

 

[montelatici]

What will change? Aren't there like 10 million arabs around Israel?
Or do You think they'll organize themselves politically to have any significance to their number?

When quality is poor numbers don't play much. Not those numbers.

They are not a nation and never had organized themselves logically.
They can't even pronounce the first latter in "palestine" yet claiming we're fake
with all of their religion and infrastructure coming from us.

Could have peace if they wouldn't be afraid of their arab brothers who
don't wanna see them in their deserts.

"Why should I build my life around, I'll frighten the jew into submission, like we did in Iraq, Yemen and many more before".

That is true. The ancient town of Shechem, where Joseph is buried, was renamed Neapolis by the Romans. The Muslims call it Nablus, because they can't pronounce the "p" sound. How can they be ethnic, authentic "Palestinians", when they can't even pronounce the name of their own country?

Palestine is roman term. Arabs use 'F' instead of 'P'

Problem is filistine sound like philistine, who were agean sea people that invaded parts of the levant and egypt. They were not native and have long since died off.

Palestinians can't even agree on being a people let alone forming any kind of a state today. They are war with themselves. They reject their own refugees and want everyone else to care for them until Israel lets them all move into Israel but not as Israelis. They have few valid deeds and they wouldn't let their own return within the first ten years so they could claim any and they did own, register it, pay taxes on it or do military service within Israel. There are still cases in the Israeli courts that rule in favor of palestinians.

Most refugees were not born in Israel and have never even been to Israel. Their grandparent might have worked or even been born in the mandate, but the children and grandchildren did not. There might be some return for those who actually left but not for their later generations. Even if there were to be any possible 'return' it would be only a limited number and over a period so Israel could find jobs and housing for them, and time for them to learn hebrew. Palestinians had a chance to return through various programs until Oslo. About two thousand a year took advantage of these programs, usually against the effort of the palestinian refugee groups.

There is no single absolute answer for the palestinian identity or refugees. Israel has taken in all the jews forced out of the middle east states, but they are expect to take in all the families of palestinians that left because arabs told them to or to escape the war arabs began? They should have the rights of arab Israelis that stayed and helped build a strong nation? That served in the military? That worked for their homes and children? That are Israeli?

Any long term peace has to be realistic, not based in fantasy and lies.

It is indeed sad that all surrounding Arab countries, who know the Palestinians best, refuse to grant their Palestifnians a right of return back to their native Arab country homelands.

You mean Palestine the home of the Palestinians, as the name suggests.

Jews were native Palestinians. The overwhelming majority of today's Palestinians are Muslim squatters with no titles or deeds whatsoever to the land they stole. In some cases even for generations now.

There were no Jews to speak of in Roman Palestine after Masada. Prior to Muslim rule, Palestine was Christian. The only thieves and squatters are the European colonists.