Israel Tortures Palestinian Children; Keeps Them In Outdoor Cages In Winter: Rights Group

Right. Whatever horror the Israeli's inflict on Palestinian children is AOK by you.
 
flacaltenn said:
pbel said:
flacaltenn said:
pbel said:
MJB12741 said:
OMG! Pbel has finally flipped out. :banana:
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MJ, I know you get giggly at the sound of Palestinian misery, I was surprised as you! Imagine the UN and others accusing Israel of torturing children!

MJB12741 said:
OMG! Pbel has finally
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MJB12741 said:
flipped out. :banana:
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Produce the "UN" allegations of torturing children.. Please.. Let's discuss..
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just google....
  • UN Accuses Israel of Torturing Palestinian Children
    therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&...
    UN Accuses Israel of Torturing Palestinian Children : ... A United Nations human rights body recently accused ... Please note that transcripts for The Real News ...
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Let's take the HuffPost listing.. I don't accept
Palestinian children in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, captured by Israel in the 1967 war, are routinely denied registration of their birth and access to health care, decent schools and clean water, the U.N. Committee on the Rights of the Child said.
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or denial of health care as "torture".. Where are the SPECIFIC ALLEGATIONS of torture? Did they not get tucked in and read a bedtime story in their native language. Far as I know -- that COULD BE a UN Human Rights violation...
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you don't think denying people by blockading health and other essential services is normal and not criminal? Sounds like the ghosts of past human atrocities in Warsaw to me. A slow steady death.
 
Dhara said:
Right. Whatever horror the Israeli's inflict on Palestinian children is AOK by you.
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No one has provided any factual evidence that Israel is inflicting "horror" on Palestinian children. Let alone okaying it.
 
Dhara said:
Torture and other cruel or degrading treatment or punishment
35. The Committee expresses its deepest concern about the reported practice of torture
Committee on the Rights of the Child

Concluding observations on the second to fourth periodic
reports of Israel, adopted by the Committee at its sixty-third
session (27 May – 14 June 2013)

and ill-treatment of Palestinian children arrested, prosecuted and detained by the military
and the police, and about the State party’s failure to end these practices in spite of repeated
concerns expressed by treaty bodies, special procedures mandate holders and United
Nations agencies in this respect. The Committee notes with deep concern that children
living in the OPT continue to be:
(a) Routinely arrested in the middle of the night by soldiers shouting instructions
at the family and taken hand-tied and blindfolded to unknown destination without having
the possibility to say good bye to their parents who rarely know where their children are
taken;
(b) Systematically subject to physical and verbal violence, humiliation, painful
restraints, hooding of the head and face in a sack, threatened with death, physical violence,
and sexual assault against themselves or members of their family, restricted access to toilet,
food and water. These crimes are perpetrated from the time of arrest, during transfer and
interrogation, to obtain a confession but also on an arbitrary basis as testified by several
Israeli soldiers as well as during pretrial detention;
(c) Held in solitary confinement, sometimes for months.
36. The Committee reminds the State party about its unavoidable
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/crc/docs/co/CRC-C-ISR-CO-2-4.pdf
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Here's the deal Dharma. I'm here to listen and trying to be outraged. But so far --- you've made a lot of allegations that are unsubstantiated. If you READ what you just presented -- it doesn't say kids were sexually abused or exposed to physical violence -- it says..

(b) Systematically subject to physical and verbal violence, humiliation, painful
restraints, hooding of the head and face in a sack, threatened with death, physical violence,
and sexual assault against themselves or members of their family, restricted access to toilet,
food and water.
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Now that's a different story.. I could get a care about being THREATENED by those things by a Military police force. But my larger issue is trying to get all these hand-wringing Pali couch warriors interested in WHY the Pali people have screwed up every opportunity to manage their own affairs. Like the current destruction of the VERY EFFECTIVE Palestinian Authority which WAS in the process of working with Israel to train a PALI police force. Before the Palis started to kill each other over elections and shut down their govt.
 
pbel said:
flacaltenn said:
pbel said:
flacaltenn said:
pbel said:
MJB12741 said:
OMG! Pbel has finally flipped out. :banana:
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MJ, I know you get giggly at the sound of Palestinian misery, I was surprised as you! Imagine the UN and others accusing Israel of torturing children!

MJB12741 said:
OMG! Pbel has finally
Click to expand...
MJB12741 said:
flipped out. :banana:
Click to expand...
Click to expand...

Produce the "UN" allegations of torturing children.. Please.. Let's discuss..
Click to expand...
just google....
  • UN Accuses Israel of Torturing Palestinian Children
    therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&...
    UN Accuses Israel of Torturing Palestinian Children : ... A United Nations human rights body recently accused ... Please note that transcripts for The Real News ...
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Let's take the HuffPost listing.. I don't accept
Palestinian children in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, captured by Israel in the 1967 war, are routinely denied registration of their birth and access to health care, decent schools and clean water, the U.N. Committee on the Rights of the Child said.
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or denial of health care as "torture".. Where are the SPECIFIC ALLEGATIONS of torture? Did they not get tucked in and read a bedtime story in their native language. Far as I know -- that COULD BE a UN Human Rights violation...
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you don't think denying people by blockading health and other essential services is normal and not criminal? Sounds like the ghosts of past human atrocities in Warsaw to me. A slow steady death.
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Changing the subject -- are we? Tired of searching the internet for any shreds of evidence that support your lousy OP topic?
 
The Secretary-General of the Islamic Christian Comission, Dr. Hanna Issa, said that the Jerusalemite children are subjected to wide range of violations while being arrested. These measures include night detention, violence, handcuffing them without reason, interrogating them without the appearance of their parents, as well as banning them from going to the bathroom, and depriving them of water in order to force them to "confess".

Israeli occupation police violated the Israeli law of arrested children, even though these laws are implemented in east Jerusalem, he added, according to Al Ray Palestinian Media Agency.

The commission stated that Israel is the only country which tries children before military courts that lack the minimum requirements of a fair trial.

Article 37 of the International Convention on the Rights of the Child states that: No child shall be deprived of his or her liberty unlawfully or arbitrarily.

The arrest, detention or imprisonment of a child shall be in conformity with the law and shall be used only as a measure of last resort and for the shortest appropriate period of time; No child shall be deprived of his or her liberty unlawfully or arbitrarily. The arrest, detention or imprisonment of a child shall be in conformity with the law and shall be used only as a measure of last resort and for the shortest appropriate period of time.

Islamic-Christian Commission: Manasra Footage Reveals Israeli Cruelty - International Middle East Media Center
 
Dhara said:
The commission stated that Israel is the only country which tries children before military courts that lack the minimum requirements of a fair trial.
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Bullshit. In Pakistan they not only try them in military courts -- they can spirit them away for more than six years with no information given to their parents and then give them the death penalty. Stop with the lies. Do your research. Have an honest discussion.
 
The U.S. government will not even oppose Israeli child abuse carried out against the U.S.’s own citizens. Several weeks before the bloodbath in Gaza, 15-year-old Tarek Abu Khdeir, a Palestinian-American from Tampa, was savagely beaten by Israeli police. The teen from Tampa was visiting Jerusalem with his family shortly after his cousin had been abducted, doused with gasoline and burned alive by Israeli settlers. Tarek and his family claimed he was ambushed while on his family’s property. After the assault by Israeli police that left the teenager with head wounds, Tarek was jailed. This was deemed by the U.S. administration to be “profoundly troubling,” but again not “barbaric” or even “outrageous.”
American Officials Silent on Israeli Abuse of Palestinian Children
 
flacaltenn said:
pbel said:
flacaltenn said:
pbel said:
flacaltenn said:
pbel said:
MJ, I know you get giggly at the sound of Palestinian misery, I was surprised as you! Imagine the UN and others accusing Israel of torturing children!
Click to expand...

Produce the "UN" allegations of torturing children.. Please.. Let's discuss..
Click to expand...
just google....
  • UN Accuses Israel of Torturing Palestinian Children
    therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&...
    UN Accuses Israel of Torturing Palestinian Children : ... A United Nations human rights body recently accused ... Please note that transcripts for The Real News ...
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Let's take the HuffPost listing.. I don't accept
Palestinian children in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, captured by Israel in the 1967 war, are routinely denied registration of their birth and access to health care, decent schools and clean water, the U.N. Committee on the Rights of the Child said.
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or denial of health care as "torture".. Where are the SPECIFIC ALLEGATIONS of torture? Did they not get tucked in and read a bedtime story in their native language. Far as I know -- that COULD BE a UN Human Rights violation...
Click to expand...
you don't think denying people by blockading health and other essential services is normal and not criminal? Sounds like the ghosts of past human atrocities in Warsaw to me. A slow steady death.
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Changing the subject -- are we? Tired of searching the internet for any shreds of evidence that support your lousy OP topic?
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Parallels are key...Changing the subject of my OP is the OP before the world body at the UN. Be specific and Ill be glad to reply.
 
Shusha said:
Dhara said:
The commission stated that Israel is the only country which tries children before military courts that lack the minimum requirements of a fair trial.
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Bullshit. In Pakistan they not only try them in military courts -- they can spirit them away for more than six years with no information given to their parents and then give them the death penalty. Stop with the lies. Do your research. Have an honest discussion.
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Honestly, I don't see the point in discussing this with you because you stick your head in the sand about it all.
 
Throwing stones is a legitimate act of resistance in accordance with international law. A 1987 UN General Assembly resolution validates the right to resist occupation, explicitly differentiating terrorism from the “struggle of peoples for national liberation.” The resolution grants “peoples under colonial and racist regimes and foreign occupation … the right .. to struggle to this end.” The measure was approved with 153 votes in favor. Only the United States and Israel voted against it.

Even militant resistance against occupying troops is protected as part of struggle against occupation. Clearly, stone-throwing unquestionably falls within the protections explicitly stated by the UN resolution. In fact, some people have even said that Palestinians have a “duty to throw stones.”
American Officials Silent on Israeli Abuse of Palestinian Children
 
Dhara said:
Shusha said:
Dhara said:
The commission stated that Israel is the only country which tries children before military courts that lack the minimum requirements of a fair trial.
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Bullshit. In Pakistan they not only try them in military courts -- they can spirit them away for more than six years with no information given to their parents and then give them the death penalty. Stop with the lies. Do your research. Have an honest discussion.
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Honestly, I don't see the point in discussing this with you because you stick your head in the sand about it all.
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Hardly. I'm willing to investigate and discuss. Funny how bringing an example of military courts in Pakistan which try children, in direct response to your claim is "sticking my head in the sand". I'm willing to look things up and then make reasoned decisions. I did notice that you avoided my question about hand-cuffing "children" in the US.
 
In the evening of March 14, 2013, Adva Biton, a female settler, and her three daughters were involved in a traffic accident on their way to the settlement of Yakir, which lies southwest of Nablus. Biton and her three daughters were injured, and the injuries to one of the daughters were serious.
She died two years later of her injuries, compounded by pneumoniai. The accident, which occurred near the Palestinian village of Hares, took place when Biton crashed her car into the back of a truck that was parked along the side of the road. The driver of the truck told police that he had pulled over to repair a flat tire. The trouble began when Biton later claimed that the accident had been caused not by the truck but by Palestinian youths who had been throwing stones. In fact, “in an Australian TV interview, Biton stated that she had a building block thrown at her vehicle which hit her daughter in the head and caused her to hit the back of the truck.”ii There were no witnesses to the accident, and nobody had seen anybody throwing stones, but the truck driver did add afterwards that he had noticed stones lying by the side of the road.iii

There are many problems with the story. In neither the initial accounts by the involved parties, nor in the original police investigation, was there a mention of stones. This changed a few days later, when Biton and the truck driver modified their original versions, and, in addition, when a subsequent police investigation uncovered a stone in Biton’s car. No building blocks were found anywhere near the scene. The fact that building blocks are exceedingly difficult to throw casts yet further doubt on Biton’s version of events.iv The truck driver’s statement about having seen stones on the side of the road should be seen as meaningless, since that part of the road is full of stones.v

The Hares Boys: Israeli Justice in Palestine
 
Shusha said:
Dhara said:
Shusha said:
Dhara said:
The commission stated that Israel is the only country which tries children before military courts that lack the minimum requirements of a fair trial.
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Bullshit. In Pakistan they not only try them in military courts -- they can spirit them away for more than six years with no information given to their parents and then give them the death penalty. Stop with the lies. Do your research. Have an honest discussion.
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Honestly, I don't see the point in discussing this with you because you stick your head in the sand about it all.
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Hardly. I'm willing to investigate and discuss. Funny how bringing an example of military courts in Pakistan which try children, in direct response to your claim is "sticking my head in the sand". I'm willing to look things up and then make reasoned decisions. I did notice that you avoided my question about hand-cuffing "children" in the US.
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I think if the child is Palestinian you really don't care what they do to them.
 
In the days following the accident the Israeli army went into action. They entered the villages of Hares and nearby Kifl Hares three times, arresting a total of nineteen boys between the ages of 16 and 17 years. The nighttime raids were violent and the soldiers behaved aggressively. Accompanied by attack dogs and Israeli secret service (Shabak) agents, they broke down the doors of villagers’ houses and demanded to know the whereabouts of all the teenage sons. They handcuffed and blindfolded the boys without telling their families why or where they were taking them.
““Kiss and hug your mother goodbye,” a Shabak agent told one boy. “You may never see her again.””vii

All of the boys endured violent interrogations. They were also kept in solitary confinement. “One boy, since released, described his cell: a windowless hole 1m wide and 2m long; there was no mattress or blanket to sleep on; toilet facilities were dirty; the six lights were kept on continuously, leading to the boy losing track of the time of the day; the food made him feel ill. The boy was denied a lawyer; he was interrogated violently three times during three days.”viii After this ill-treatment, 14 of the 19 boys were released, while five boys confessed to the crimes. They are Ammar Souf, Mohammed Suleman, Ali Shamlawi, Tamer Souf and Mohammed Kleib.ix These are the Hares boys.

The Israeli media has played a significant role in this case. A few days after the accident, rumors began to surface that it had been a terrorist attack, and the subsequent media storm caused 61 witnesses to come forward, claiming that their cars had also been damaged by stones thrown on the same road that day. Prime Minister Netanyahu himself got involved, announcing proudly that “he had caught the terrorists that did it”x.

The boys were originally charged with twenty counts of murder and five counts of stone throwing each.
The Hares Boys: Israeli Justice in Palestine
 
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The US was the only country in the world to oppose a resolution calling for Israel to be held accountable for war crimes, at the 29th regular session of the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC), held from 15 June to 3 July 2015.

The US voted against “ensuring accountability and justice for all violations of international law in” the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT).

- See more at: US only country to oppose UN holding Israel accountable for war crimes, yet again
 
Dhara said:
I think if the child is Palestinian you really don't care what they do to them.
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I think you know very little about me. I think you choose to make personal attacks because you are not capable of answering the actual questions and addressing the actual substance of my posts, without revealing the double standard you hold against Israel.
 
Shusha said:
Dhara said:
I think if the child is Palestinian you really don't care what they do to them.
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I think you know very little about me. I think you choose to make personal attacks because you are not capable of answering the actual questions and addressing the actual substance of my posts, without revealing the double standard you hold against Israel.
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I think plenty of bad stuff goes on with both sides. I just don't ignore Israel's the way you do.
 
So, answer my question. Simple enough. A 17 year old "child" who is arrested in the US for committing an act which could potentially seriously injure or kill someone must never be handcuffed. Yes or no?
 
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