israel started the six day war

[fanger]

Analysis Israel Deceived the World in 1967,
Israel pretended to be the victim during the Six-Day War, and succeeded in deceiving the world.


Dayan wrote in his memoirs of his deliberations on June 4 with the former IDF chiefs of Staff Yigael Yadin and Zvi Tsur, along with Military Intelligence head Aharon Yariv, as to which lie to choose: Big or small, active or passive.

Defense Minister Moshe Dayan and Prime Minister Golda Meir in July 1969. AFP
A big lie meant a concocted scenario in which the Egyptians would be the ones who fired the first shot, opened with an aerial and ground attack “in which we returned fire, and that is how the war began,” wrote Dayan. He opposed that plan, because “every lie will be found out in the end and could have serious consequences.” This fiction could “waste the moral and just setting of our actions,”

read more: Israel deceived the world in 1967, and paid the price for it in 1973

the truth is there

 

[fncceo]

Who gives a fetid dingo's kidney?

 

[fanger]

Me and Fred do, K9Buck

 

[K9Buck]

Trolling early today. Good luck.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Good luck trying to rewrite history, loon

 

[fanger]

Good luck trying to rewrite history, loon

I dont need to rewrite this history... it is all there in the link

When Eshkol, his new Defense Minister Moshe Dayan, Rabin and other members of the small circle of decision makers mulled whether to go to war and when, considering the justifications for and against, they were confronted not just with French President Charles de Gaulle’s warnings and the urgings of U.S. President Lyndon Johnson to avoid firing the “first shot”; they were also faced with the most recent report by Mossad head Meir Amit, who believed that Johnson would accept a lightning victory that did not involve the Americans in a conflict with the Soviet Union and the need to save Israel from the Russians. They also knew everything depended on the Israel Air Force – and the air force was completely dependent on the element of surprise.
In Dayan’s own statements, which lulled the world media to sleep over the first weekend of June 1967 by saying “it is too late and too early” to go to war, the deception had already been made. During the Sinai Campaign in 1956, Dayan, as IDF chief of staff, dictated to the IDF spokesman the announcement about Israeli forces who “penetrated [into Sinai] and attacked a unit of fedayeen [guerrillas] and took up positions close to the Suez Canal.”
The capture of a small unit of Israelis disguised as Arab guerrillas was staged and, in an act of overzealousness, an aerial bombing of Be’er Sheva was planned (and subsequently canceled). It became apparent that the military part of the 1956 operation was far more effective than the diplomatic part: Israel was accused of aggression, including by the Eisenhower administration, and the UN Security Council rushed to convene and demand a full and unconditional withdrawal from Sinai.

read more: Israel deceived the world in 1967, and paid the price for it in 1973

 

[fanger]

Trolling early today. Good luck.

On the morning of Friday October 5, in light of the reinforcements on the Egyptian front, Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. David Elazar said in the weekly discussion with the defense minister’s staff, “I don’t have sufficient proof that this isn’t going to be an attack” – thereby nullifying the intelligence assessment and superseding it with preparation for war.
The conclusion was neither a preemptive strike, nor a call-up of reserves, nor implementation of the emergency plans for deployment of the standing army. Dayan forbade “troop movements, unless it really begins,” adding, “We want the Americans to tell the Russians what is going to happen, to tell them with 100 percent confidence that Israel is not about to attack or do anything. If in 1967 it began and no one knew who was suspicious of whom, now it is necessary to try to break this cycle of sleight of hand. In the relationship we have with [U.S. Secretary of State Henry] Kissinger, is it possible to ask him to call [Soviet Ambassador to Washington Anatoly] Dobrynin and also tell him that Israel isn’t doing anything and what about their clients, or not? Clearly, it’s necessary to ask Golda [Meir], to tell her that our line is to create the alibi that we aren’t going to do anything. To give them a promise, that on our part there are no aggressive intentions.”
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[fanger]

Who gives a fetid dingo's kidney?

The Six-Day War must not be isolated from what happened before and after. Israel’s reputation, the IDF’s reputation and especially Dayan’s reputation – as the only one who was a member of the leadership in 1956, 1967 and 1973 – stuck to them like a shadow. Israel’s leaders were suspected of lying even when they deviated from their customary behavior and actually told the truth. The bad check they gave on June 5, 1967, was returned on October 6, 1973.
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[fanger]

Operation Focus (Hebrew: מבצע מוקד‎‎, Mivtza Moked) was the opening airstrike by Israel at the start of the Six-Day Warin 1967. It is sometimes referred to as "Sinai Air Strike". At 07:45 on June 5, 1967, the Israeli Air Force (IAF) under Maj. Gen. Mordechai Hod launched a massive airstrike that destroyed the majority of the Egyptian Air Force on the ground. By noon, the Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian Air Forces, with about 450 aircraft, were destroyed.
on 5 June Israel launched what it claimed were a series of preemptive airstrikes against Egyptian airfields. Claims and counterclaims relating to this series of events are one of a number of controversies relating to the conflict.
Six-Day War - Wikipedia

 

[teddyearp]

Interesting thing to note. One is that you already posted basically this same info in another thread a few months ago here:

Clearing Up the Lie that Israel Started the 6 Day War

You trying for the louie award? Second, one of your compatriots started a thread that disavows your claim(s):

The Six - Day War

From the OP of the above linked thread:

Some 600,000 Palestinians lived in the West Bank (occupied by Jordan) and another 356,000 lived in the Gaza Strip (occupied by Egypt) at the outbreak of the Six Day War. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians also lived in refugee camps in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. In 1964, the Arab League founded the Palestine Liberation Organization, headed by Ahmad al-Shuqayri, and largely controlled by Egypt. The 1964 Arab League summit also called for the deployment of a Palestine Liberation Army. Starting in 1965, the Syrian government supported Palestinian Fatah fedayeen (guerillas) attacks across the armistice line with Israel, greatly exacerbating Syrian-Israeli tensions leading up to the Six Day War. During the war, the Palestinian Division held the first line in the Gaza Strip, along with three Egyptian divisions. Though the Arab armies suffered crushing defeats at the hands of the Israelis, "the fedayeen, who had really provoked it,<snip>

 

[flacaltenn]

Good luck trying to rewrite history, loon

I dont need to rewrite this history... it is all there in the link

When Eshkol, his new Defense Minister Moshe Dayan, Rabin and other members of the small circle of decision makers mulled whether to go to war and when, considering the justifications for and against, they were confronted not just with French President Charles de Gaulle’s warnings and the urgings of U.S. President Lyndon Johnson to avoid firing the “first shot”; they were also faced with the most recent report by Mossad head Meir Amit, who believed that Johnson would accept a lightning victory that did not involve the Americans in a conflict with the Soviet Union and the need to save Israel from the Russians. They also knew everything depended on the Israel Air Force – and the air force was completely dependent on the element of surprise.
In Dayan’s own statements, which lulled the world media to sleep over the first weekend of June 1967 by saying “it is too late and too early” to go to war, the deception had already been made. During the Sinai Campaign in 1956, Dayan, as IDF chief of staff, dictated to the IDF spokesman the announcement about Israeli forces who “penetrated [into Sinai] and attacked a unit of fedayeen [guerrillas] and took up positions close to the Suez Canal.”
The capture of a small unit of Israelis disguised as Arab guerrillas was staged and, in an act of overzealousness, an aerial bombing of Be’er Sheva was planned (and subsequently canceled). It became apparent that the military part of the 1956 operation was far more effective than the diplomatic part: Israel was accused of aggression, including by the Eisenhower administration, and the UN Security Council rushed to convene and demand a full and unconditional withdrawal from Sinai.

read more: Israel deceived the world in 1967, and paid the price for it in 1973

What does this even MEAN?? I have no idea how all of a sudden the author wigs out and moves from decisions on the eve of the 67 war to shit that MIGHT have happened during the 56 campaigns.

Is THIS your "standard of proof"? Where WAS the "the 1st shot fired"? Why isn't this more specific than the usual conspiracy theory tango? Explain this quote to me and tell me what you THINK it says...

 

[Boston1]

I love the Pallywood nonsense we get around here. I mean really, did anyone actually take the OP seriously LOL

 

[Indeependent]

5 established Arab nations get their asses kicked and Faygahlah is still crying after all these decades.

 

[fanger]

Good luck trying to rewrite history, loon

I dont need to rewrite this history... it is all there in the link

When Eshkol, his new Defense Minister Moshe Dayan, Rabin and other members of the small circle of decision makers mulled whether to go to war and when, considering the justifications for and against, they were confronted not just with French President Charles de Gaulle’s warnings and the urgings of U.S. President Lyndon Johnson to avoid firing the “first shot”; they were also faced with the most recent report by Mossad head Meir Amit, who believed that Johnson would accept a lightning victory that did not involve the Americans in a conflict with the Soviet Union and the need to save Israel from the Russians. They also knew everything depended on the Israel Air Force – and the air force was completely dependent on the element of surprise.
In Dayan’s own statements, which lulled the world media to sleep over the first weekend of June 1967 by saying “it is too late and too early” to go to war, the deception had already been made. During the Sinai Campaign in 1956, Dayan, as IDF chief of staff, dictated to the IDF spokesman the announcement about Israeli forces who “penetrated [into Sinai] and attacked a unit of fedayeen [guerrillas] and took up positions close to the Suez Canal.”
The capture of a small unit of Israelis disguised as Arab guerrillas was staged and, in an act of overzealousness, an aerial bombing of Be’er Sheva was planned (and subsequently canceled). It became apparent that the military part of the 1956 operation was far more effective than the diplomatic part: Israel was accused of aggression, including by the Eisenhower administration, and the UN Security Council rushed to convene and demand a full and unconditional withdrawal from Sinai.

read more: Israel deceived the world in 1967, and paid the price for it in 1973

What does this even MEAN?? I have no idea how all of a sudden the author wigs out and moves from decisions on the eve of the 67 war to shit that MIGHT have happened during the 56 campaigns.

Is THIS your "standard of proof"? Where WAS the "the 1st shot fired"? Why isn't this more specific than the usual conspiracy theory tango? Explain this quote to me and tell me what you THINK it says...

Take that up with the author, or write a letter to Haaretz, dont shoot the messenger

 

[Muhammed]

Analysis Israel Deceived the World in 1967,
Israel pretended to be the victim during the Six-Day War, and succeeded in deceiving the world.


Dayan wrote in his memoirs of his deliberations on June 4 with the former IDF chiefs of Staff Yigael Yadin and Zvi Tsur, along with Military Intelligence head Aharon Yariv, as to which lie to choose: Big or small, active or passive.

Defense Minister Moshe Dayan and Prime Minister Golda Meir in July 1969. AFP
A big lie meant a concocted scenario in which the Egyptians would be the ones who fired the first shot, opened with an aerial and ground attack “in which we returned fire, and that is how the war began,” wrote Dayan. He opposed that plan, because “every lie will be found out in the end and could have serious consequences.” This fiction could “waste the moral and just setting of our actions,”

read more: Israel deceived the world in 1967, and paid the price for it in 1973

the truth is there

Israel did not "deceive the world". They claimed they launched a pre-emptive strike.

 

[Indeependent]

Good luck trying to rewrite history, loon

I dont need to rewrite this history... it is all there in the link

When Eshkol, his new Defense Minister Moshe Dayan, Rabin and other members of the small circle of decision makers mulled whether to go to war and when, considering the justifications for and against, they were confronted not just with French President Charles de Gaulle’s warnings and the urgings of U.S. President Lyndon Johnson to avoid firing the “first shot”; they were also faced with the most recent report by Mossad head Meir Amit, who believed that Johnson would accept a lightning victory that did not involve the Americans in a conflict with the Soviet Union and the need to save Israel from the Russians. They also knew everything depended on the Israel Air Force – and the air force was completely dependent on the element of surprise.
In Dayan’s own statements, which lulled the world media to sleep over the first weekend of June 1967 by saying “it is too late and too early” to go to war, the deception had already been made. During the Sinai Campaign in 1956, Dayan, as IDF chief of staff, dictated to the IDF spokesman the announcement about Israeli forces who “penetrated [into Sinai] and attacked a unit of fedayeen [guerrillas] and took up positions close to the Suez Canal.”
The capture of a small unit of Israelis disguised as Arab guerrillas was staged and, in an act of overzealousness, an aerial bombing of Be’er Sheva was planned (and subsequently canceled). It became apparent that the military part of the 1956 operation was far more effective than the diplomatic part: Israel was accused of aggression, including by the Eisenhower administration, and the UN Security Council rushed to convene and demand a full and unconditional withdrawal from Sinai.

read more: Israel deceived the world in 1967, and paid the price for it in 1973

What does this even MEAN?? I have no idea how all of a sudden the author wigs out and moves from decisions on the eve of the 67 war to shit that MIGHT have happened during the 56 campaigns.

Is THIS your "standard of proof"? Where WAS the "the 1st shot fired"? Why isn't this more specific than the usual conspiracy theory tango? Explain this quote to me and tell me what you THINK it says...

Take that up with the author, or write a letter to Haaretz, dont shoot the messenger

I'm surprised Haaretz hasn't offered you a job yet.

 

[aris2chat]

egypt closed the canal to Israel
egypt moved it's army to the border with Israel

>>
THE COLD WAR’S LONGEST COVER-UP:
HOW AND WHY THE USSR INSTIGATED THE 1967 WAR
By Isabella Ginor

The Soviet warning to Egypt about supposed Israeli troop concentrations on the Syrian border in May 1967 has long been considered a blunder that precipitated a war which the USSR neither desired nor expected. New evidence from Soviet and other Warsaw Pact documents, as well as memoirs of contemporary actors, contradicts this accepted theory. The author demonstrates that this warning was deliberate disinformation, part of a plan approved at the highest level of Soviet leadership to elicit Egyptian action that would provoke an Israeli strike. Soviet military intervention against the “aggressor” was intended to follow and was prepared well in advance.<<

 

[fanger]

The last paragraph, Ironically, when the timing, character and success of Israel’s pre-emptive strike surprised the Soviets and obviated their planned intervention, it also put a damper on the festive occasion: “This interest [in celebrations] waned with the Six-Day War,”(153) which instead necessitated a meticulous cover-up that continues to this day.
"Israel’s pre-emptive strike"

 

[fanger]

1967: Israel launches attack on Egypt
Israeli forces have launched a pre-emptive attack on Egypt and destroyed nearly 400 Egypt-based military aircraft BBC ON THIS DAY | 5 | 1967: Israel launches attack on Egypt

israel started the six day war

 

[fanger]

The Jews of the world truly believed, because (like Israeli Jews) they were conditioned by Zionism to believe, that the Arabs were poised to attack and that Israel’s very existence was at stake and much in doubt.

The Jews of the world (and Israeli Jews) could not be blamed for believing that, but it was a big, fat propaganda lie. Though Egypt’s President Nasser had asked UNEF forces to withdraw, had closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping and had reinforced his army in the Sinai, neither his Egypt nor any of the frontline Arab states had any intention of attacking Israel. And Israel’s leaders, and the Johnson administration, knew that.

The summary truth about that war is this.

Assisted by the regeneration Palestinian nationalism, which became the tail that wagged the Arab dog despite the brutal efforts of the intelligence services of the frontline Arab states to prevent it happening, Israel’s military and political hawks set a trap for Nasser; and he walked into it, with eyes half-open, in the hope that the international community, led by the Johnson administration, would restrain Israel and require it and Egypt to settle the problem of the moment by diplomacy. From Nasser’s perspective that was not an unreasonable expectation because of the commitment, given by President Eisenhower, that in the event of the closure of the Straits of Tiran by Egypt to Israeli shipping, the U.S. would work with the “society of nations” to cause Egypt to restore Israel’s right of passage, and by so doing, prevent war.

A large part of the reason why today rational debate about making peace is impossible with the vast majority of Jews everywhere is that they still believe Egypt and the frontline Arab states were intending to annihilate Israel in 1967, and were only prevented from doing so by Israel’s pre-emptive strike.

If the statement that the Arabs were not intending to attack Israel and that the existence of the Zionist state was not in danger was only that of a goy (a non-Jew, me), it could be dismissed by supporters of Israel right or wrong as anti-Semitic conjecture. In fact the truth the statement represents was admitted by some of the key Israeli players – after the war, of course.
The lies about the 1967 war are still more powerful than the truth - Alan Hart