Israel Responds By Air-120 Dead

[Modbert]

and that has NOTHING to do with the claims you made

Uh, yes it does. Go back and read why don't you?

I've stated for a few posts now starting with the post made at 3:18 A.M.

I've clearly stated:

Besides, are you ignoring the other half of that point where without the U.S. that Israel wouldn't most likely exist today? It's not the U.K weapons and money that has Israel where it is today.

 

[DiveCon]

I'd suppose I'd want a little less biased source but it will do.

Looking at these numbers, they still received a great amount. Perhaps not as much as today, but that's obvious since we weren't as strong allies then.



I read the full context of this but I cannot help but comment here. ONLY $277 million prior to 1971? How unfortunate, if they didn't want it then I'll take it.

its not a biased source
not like the one you posted

 

[Modbert]

its not a biased source
not like the one you posted

Not sure if that was a joke.

If it was:

If it wasn't:

And it's certainly at the very least a little bias.

From About Us on their webpage:

The AMERICAN-ISRAELI COOPERATIVE ENTERPRISE (AICE) was established in 1993 as a nonprofit 501(c)(3), nonpartisan organization to strengthen the U.S.-Israel relationship by emphasizing the fundamentals of the alliance — the values our nations share.

 

[DiveCon]

Uh, yes it does. Go back and read why don't you?

I've stated for a few posts now starting with the post made at 3:18 A.M.

I've clearly stated:

wrong, you claimed the US was a part of the creation of Israel

Whether we like to admit it or not, the U.S and U.K handed the Jews Israel ...

so you can STOP the lying

 

[DiveCon]

Not sure if that was a joke.

If it was:

If it wasn't:

And it's certainly at the very least a little bias.

From About Us on their webpage:

did you even look at the home page of your link?

 

[Modbert]

wrong, you claimed the US was a part of the creation of Israel


so you can STOP the lying

I claimed the U.S was a part of it because it did not oppose it.

After WWII which included after we dropped the bomb on Japan, our word was the law of the land.

 

[Modbert]

did you even look at the home page of your link?

Yeah I did. Something wrong with it?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I claimed the U.S was a part of it because it did not oppose it.

After WWII which included after we dropped the bomb on Japan, our word was the law of the land.

Using your logic then all 6 veto members of the Security Council created Israel.

 

[DiveCon]

Using your logic then all 6 veto members of the Security Council created Israel.

there were only 4 then
the US the UK, France, the USSR

and only 5 now

 

[Modbert]

Using your logic then all 6 veto members of the Security Council created Israel.

Well DiveCon has already stated that most of the equipment there was french, the U.K created it directly.

China and Russia not so much. China wasn't even that powerful at the time. The UK and and USSR opposed China's entry to the group. Roosevelt even said that China or ROC at the time was less powerful at the time of the establishment, but considering China's four hundred million population, he preferred a rising friend rather than a rising enemy in the future, and hoped that this would make the council more universal.

But are you going to sit there and tell me that what the U.S (which basically saved WWII for the Allies) said was not the law of the land?

Edit: By the way, there were 5, not 6.

 

[Modbert]

there were only 4 then
the US the UK, France, the USSR

and only 5 now

See my post above. Unless I was mistaken about ROC being in it.

Edit: I'm about 99% sure I'm not at this point.

Second Edit: Pretty sure I'm right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_and_the_United_Nations

The Republic of China (ROC) was one of the founding members of the United Nations and a permanent member of the Security Council from its creation in 1945. In 1949, the Communist Party of China seized power on the mainland and declared the People's Republic of China (PRC), claiming to have replaced the ROC as the sole legitimate government of China and the ROC government withdrew to Taiwan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council

The Council seated five permanent members who were originally drawn from the victorious powers after World War II:

The French Republic
The Republic of China
The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
The United States of America

 

[DiveCon]

See my post above. Unless I was mistaken about ROC being in it.

Edit: I'm about 99% sure I'm not at this point.

Second Edit: Pretty sure I'm right.

DOH, i forgot about thew RoC, NOT china today
the government of the RoC is what we call Taiwan


the China of today wasnt even a member of the UN till the 70's

 

[Annie]

Not sure if that was a joke.

If it was:

If it wasn't:

And it's certainly at the very least a little bias.

From About Us on their webpage:

Robert, I see your point. How much do you know about CAIR or the Muslim Brotherhood? Both of which have increasingly had influence on US government in various capacities?

 

[DiveCon]

anyway, this has been deflected from his initial claims
he claimed the US had a part in creating Israel, and that is not even close to the truth

 

[Modbert]

DOH, i forgot about thew RoC, NOT china today
the government of the RoC is what we call Taiwan


the China of today wasnt even a member of the UN till the 70's

That would be correct.

 

[Modbert]

Robert, I see your point. How much do you know about CAIR or the Muslim Brotherhood? Both of which have increasingly had influence on US government in various capacities?

I've heard of the CAIR and which of what you stated. Not the latter though, I will look more both in depth later as I'm going to bed.

Good night all.

 

[Modbert]

anyway, this has been deflected from his initial claims
he claimed the US had a part in creating Israel, and that is not even close to the truth

Israeli-United States Relations

U. S.-Israeli relations have evolved from an initial American policy of sympathy and support for the creation of a Jewish homeland in 1948 to an unusual partnership that links a small but militarily powerful Israel, dependent on the United States for its economic and military strength, with the U. S. superpower trying to balance competing interests in the region. Some in the United States question the levels of aid and general commitment to Israel, and argue that a U. S. bias toward Israel operates at the expense of improved U. S. relations with various Arab states. Others maintain that democratic Israel is a strategic ally, and that U. S. relations with Israel strengthens the U. S. presence in the Middle East.

President Harry Truman recognized Israel on May 15, 1948, within minutes after Israel declared its independence. Past American presidents, encouraged by active support from civic groups, labor unions, political parties, and members of the American and world Jewish communities, supported the concept, articulated in Britain's 1917 Balfour Declaration, of a Jewish homeland

After World War II, United States support for a Jewish state grew with the desire to help settle the large number of Jewish refugees, displaced persons, and survivors of the Nazi holocaust. Popular support for Israel among U. S. Jews and significant segments of the Christian community has been supplemented by a general identification with Israel as an advanced democratic society with strong liberal and humanitarian values, as a "pioneering" and innovative nation, and as a beleaguered refuge surrounded by hostile and belligerent Arab neighbors.

It helped Israel create into what it is today. The U.S. is by far the biggest influence on how Israel has turned out.

 

[DiveCon]

Israeli-United States Relations





It helped Israel create into what it is today. The U.S. is by far the biggest influence on how Israel has turned out.

that may well be correct
but your earlier claim was not