Israel races to head off UN settlement 'blacklist'

[abi]

Good post, Rocco. We agree. Do you think Israel could annex sections of the WB with significant Jewish population such as Ma'ale Adumim, Gush Etzion and Ariel as examples? What do you think the outcome would be of such a political move?

What does any of this have to do with Israel meddling again with the UN? If they want to make a database of all the flagrantly illegal enterprises in Palestine, sobeit.

And deal with it. All this crap is just more deflection from zionist liars.

It has to do with it because if its annexed it won't BE in Palestine anymore.

Stealing land is wrong.

 

[Shusha]

Good post, Rocco. We agree. Do you think Israel could annex sections of the WB with significant Jewish population such as Ma'ale Adumim, Gush Etzion and Ariel as examples? What do you think the outcome would be of such a political move?

What does any of this have to do with Israel meddling again with the UN? If they want to make a database of all the flagrantly illegal enterprises in Palestine, sobeit.

And deal with it. All this crap is just more deflection from zionist liars.

It has to do with it because if its annexed it won't BE in Palestine anymore.

Stealing land is wrong.

Not if its your own land. Or terra nullius. Or disputed land. Which is the position Israel is taking (correctly).

There are only two ways to solve this conflict. The two Parties negotiate a solution. Or one Party imposes a solution. Arab Palestinians are not in a position to impose a solution. Israel is. Why shouldn't she? Assuming it actually creates a solution, why is it not in the long-term best interests of everyone for a solution to be imposed?

 

[abi]

Good post, Rocco. We agree. Do you think Israel could annex sections of the WB with significant Jewish population such as Ma'ale Adumim, Gush Etzion and Ariel as examples? What do you think the outcome would be of such a political move?

What does any of this have to do with Israel meddling again with the UN? If they want to make a database of all the flagrantly illegal enterprises in Palestine, sobeit.

And deal with it. All this crap is just more deflection from zionist liars.

It has to do with it because if its annexed it won't BE in Palestine anymore.

Stealing land is wrong.

Not if its your own land. Or terra nullius. Or disputed land. Which is the position Israel is taking (correctly).

There are only two ways to solve this conflict. The two Parties negotiate a solution. Or one Party imposes a solution. Arab Palestinians are not in a position to impose a solution. Israel is. Why shouldn't she? Assuming it actually creates a solution, why is it not in the long-term best interests of everyone for a solution to be imposed?

Spin away, but Stealing land is wrong.

 

[Hollie]

Good post, Rocco. We agree. Do you think Israel could annex sections of the WB with significant Jewish population such as Ma'ale Adumim, Gush Etzion and Ariel as examples? What do you think the outcome would be of such a political move?

What does any of this have to do with Israel meddling again with the UN? If they want to make a database of all the flagrantly illegal enterprises in Palestine, sobeit.

And deal with it. All this crap is just more deflection from zionist liars.

It has to do with it because if its annexed it won't BE in Palestine anymore.

Stealing land is wrong.

Not if its your own land. Or terra nullius. Or disputed land. Which is the position Israel is taking (correctly).

There are only two ways to solve this conflict. The two Parties negotiate a solution. Or one Party imposes a solution. Arab Palestinians are not in a position to impose a solution. Israel is. Why shouldn't she? Assuming it actually creates a solution, why is it not in the long-term best interests of everyone for a solution to be imposed?

Spin away, but Stealing land is wrong.

You mean, except when the stealing is done by Arabs-Moslems.

Palestinians Are Building Illegal Settlements to Extend Their Claims to Jerusalem

 

[Shusha]

Good post, Rocco. We agree. Do you think Israel could annex sections of the WB with significant Jewish population such as Ma'ale Adumim, Gush Etzion and Ariel as examples? What do you think the outcome would be of such a political move?

What does any of this have to do with Israel meddling again with the UN? If they want to make a database of all the flagrantly illegal enterprises in Palestine, sobeit.

And deal with it. All this crap is just more deflection from zionist liars.

It has to do with it because if its annexed it won't BE in Palestine anymore.

Stealing land is wrong.

Not if its your own land. Or terra nullius. Or disputed land. Which is the position Israel is taking (correctly).

There are only two ways to solve this conflict. The two Parties negotiate a solution. Or one Party imposes a solution. Arab Palestinians are not in a position to impose a solution. Israel is. Why shouldn't she? Assuming it actually creates a solution, why is it not in the long-term best interests of everyone for a solution to be imposed?

Spin away, but Stealing land is wrong.

You always avoid answering the deeper questions. You skim the bare surface of the conflict. You probably can't even address the simple question of which land is "Arab Palestinian" and wish is "Jewish".

It's the Palestinian mentality.

 

[abi]

It's the zionist mentality to meddle in international affairs, steal land, blame the victims and pretend this is a difficult issue.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

It's the zionist mentality to medal in international affairs, steal land, blame the victims and pretend this is a difficult issue.

*meddle

 

[abi]

It's the zionist mentality to medal in international affairs, steal land, blame the victims and pretend this is a difficult issue.

*meddle

LOL, thanks.

 

[Shusha]

It's the zionist mentality to meddle in international affairs, steal land, blame the victims and pretend this is a difficult issue.

See? Avoiding the question. You claim Zionists are stealing land but can't identify what land.

And you can't answer questions like "Is it in the best interests of both peoples to solve the conflict, if not through negotiation through imposition"..

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Israel races to head off UN settlement 'blacklist'
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

The phrase "opposite of independent" is ambiguous. I suppose you are shooting for the opposite end of the spectrum. I would be careful not to apply that across the board.

You people miss the point.

Which is what exactly?

What is the opposite of independent?

Pan Arabism

Deflection.

(COMMENT)

Independent then "not independent" ⇔ The opposite. (Nullification - "Dependent")
"Not independent" then "contained/constrained" ⇔ Active interference. (Bound or Restricted)
"Subservient/Dominates" ⇔ "Effective Controlled" (Restrained)

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(QUESTION)

What are you getting at? Bottom Line Upfront

There is an entire spectrum of freedoms that apply to the territories; not just one.

Most Respectfully,
R

Independent then "not independent" ⇔ The opposite. (Nullification - "Dependent")
"Not independent" then "contained/constrained" ⇔ Active interference. (Bound or Restricted)
"Subservient/Dominates" ⇔ "Effective Controlled" (Restrained)

Thank you.

 

[Hollie]

It's the zionist mentality to meddle in international affairs, steal land, blame the victims and pretend this is a difficult issue.

"Meddling (Zio-meddling, ed.) in international affairs".

What does that mean?

 

[The Big Red Machine]

JERUSALEM (AP) — Weeks ahead of the expected completion of a U.N. database of companies that operate in Israel's West Bank settlements, Israel and the Trump Administration are working feverishly to prevent its publication.

While Israel is usually quick to brush off U.N. criticism, officials say they are taking the so-called "blacklist" seriously, fearing its publication could have devastating consequences by driving companies away, deterring others from coming and prompting investors to dump shares of Israeli firms. Dozens of major Israeli companies, as well as multinationals that do business in Israel, are expected to appear on the list.

"We will do everything we can to ensure that this list does not see the light of day," Israel's U.N. ambassador, Danny Danon, told The Associated Press.

The U.N.'s top human rights body, the Human Rights Council, ordered the compilation of the database in March 2016, calling on U.N. rights chief Zeid Ra'ad al-Hussein to "investigate the implications of the Israeli settlements on Palestinians."...

Israel races to head off UN settlement 'blacklist'

It will be interesting to see what lengths the Israelis will go to ensure that this list does not see the light of day. I, for one, hope they fail. The world needs to know.

I would like to know which companies are producing goods in the occupied territories. I believe in choice in the marketplace. If I don't like the politics of occupation and subjugation, I should be able to know which companies are enabling both and the opportunity to avoid buying their goods and services.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Israel races to head off UN settlement 'blacklist'
※→ Shusha, et al,

I think that the Prime Minister of Israel (Benjamin Netanyahu) and other current key starring officials, has jumped the gun → and should be slowing down on the new settlements until May 2067 (or at least 2048).

That would be a century of "effective control" since the Six Day War. But the ground truth on the political level may be altering law. The facts are the a century ago the concept of a Jewish Nation Home became more than a hypothetical subject.

EXCERPT: Foreign Policy Journal By Richard Falk | Aug 26, 2017 Falk is a former United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC) Special Rapporteur:

2017 marks anniversaries of three historic milestones in the Israel-Palestine conflict that provide crucial context for understanding the situation today.

"It is clarifying to realize how the law itself has evolved during this past century in ways that bear on our sense of right and wrong in the current phase of the struggle.

Yet at the same time, as the Palestinians have painfully learned, to have international law clearly on your side is not the end of the story. The politics of effective control often cruelly override moral and legal norms that stand in its way, and this is what has happened over the course of the last hundred years with no end in sight."​

Good post, Rocco. We agree. Do you think Israel could annex sections of the WB with significant Jewish population such as Ma'ale Adumim, Gush Etzion and Ariel as examples? What do you think the outcome would be of such a political move?

(COMMENT)

Israel should attempt to be under the political radar to the extent possible. OR, at lest when in the media, that the issue is not in every news cycle for a week; and as benign as possible.

The centennial presentation of a concept, like the Balfour Declaration (2 November 1917), went by practically unnoticed in the world. The next hundredth landmark anniversary (in three years) wherein the Principle Allied Powers concluded the San Remo Conference (24 April 1920). This was the conference in which the Allied Powers hammered out the language of the Mandate and became committed political to the establishment of the Jewish National Home. It was the consensus, of the Principle Allied Powers, that the Jewish People had
"historical connexion" (sic) with Palestine → and → "the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country."

It will, undoubtedly, come under fire from every known corner of the universe (Jihadist, the Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric fighters) that no such thing occurred. They will make every possible argument to discredit the Allied Powers and their decision.

The Israelis should resist trying to spark a territorial dispute, accompanied by violence; but none the less, be prepared for a new Arab League Campaign.

I do not think that Israel should expand any settlement in the territories just yet.

Instead, the Israelis should bring - All-Hands - dropping gas line to the Sarah Gas Platform in the Levant Basin, while simultaneous building a "Mother-of-All Water Desalinization and Purification Center" and the accompanying distribution center that would rival the Roman Aqueducts. Not only feed that West Bank, but all the to Demona. The same thing should be done out of Elat; feeding the Negev right along the Route 40 Corridor.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[abi]

The settlers need to leave if there will ever be peace. Stealing land is wrong.

 

[Hollie]

The settlers need to leave if there will ever be peace. Stealing land is wrong.

That’s rather naive. Jews have been driven out of the vast majority of the Islamist Middle East and that has done nothing to bring peace. How many Jews are in Iraq, Syria, Gaza, the West Bank? It seems you Peaceful Inner Strugglers find reasons to continue wars, hate and retrogression even when you have successfully cleansed the area of Jews.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Israel races to head off UN settlement 'blacklist'
※→ abi, et al,

Almost everyone knows that the re-allocation of from hostile entities to the economically productive population is dubious at best. But it has been done so many times throughout history it has become (almost) Customary Law.

Similarly, the difference between indefinite "effective control" and "sovereign territorial control." But something all together different, is the attempt make a claim (through any set of laws they rejected) by an unproductive population that is detrimental to the economic condition of its own population and abusing donor nation resources and aid --- is absurd.

The settlers need to leave if there will ever be peace. Stealing land is wrong.

(COMMENT)

I think it is obviously true that no nation or its people will ever see the restitution, reparations, and compensation for the death, anguish and criminal damage inflicted upon them at the hands of Hostile Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[abi]

RE: Israel races to head off UN settlement 'blacklist'
※→ abi, et al,

Almost everyone knows that the re-allocation of from hostile entities to the economically productive population is dubious at best. But it has been done so many times throughout history it has become (almost) Customary Law.

Similarly, the difference between indefinite "effective control" and "sovereign territorial control." But something all together different, is the attempt make a claim (through any set of laws they rejected) by an unproductive population that is detrimental to the economic condition of its own population and abusing donor nation resources and aid --- is absurd.

The settlers need to leave if there will ever be peace. Stealing land is wrong.

(COMMENT)

I think it is obviously true that no nation or its people will ever see the restitution, reparations, and compensation for the death, anguish and criminal damage inflicted upon them at the hands of Hostile Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

I am convinced that you suffer from an extreme version of a cognitive bias known as the Dunning-Kruger effect. Have you ever been diagnosed?

The zionists are stealing land. It is wrong. It violates all international law and all basic morality.

 

[Shusha]

RE: Israel races to head off UN settlement 'blacklist'
※→ Shusha, et al,

I think that the Prime Minister of Israel (Benjamin Netanyahu) and other current key starring officials, has jumped the gun → and should be slowing down on the new settlements until May 2067 (or at least 2048).

That would be a century of "effective control" since the Six Day War. But the ground truth on the political level may be altering law. The facts are the a century ago the concept of a Jewish Nation Home became more than a hypothetical subject.

EXCERPT: Foreign Policy Journal By Richard Falk | Aug 26, 2017 Falk is a former United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC) Special Rapporteur:

2017 marks anniversaries of three historic milestones in the Israel-Palestine conflict that provide crucial context for understanding the situation today.

"It is clarifying to realize how the law itself has evolved during this past century in ways that bear on our sense of right and wrong in the current phase of the struggle.

Yet at the same time, as the Palestinians have painfully learned, to have international law clearly on your side is not the end of the story. The politics of effective control often cruelly override moral and legal norms that stand in its way, and this is what has happened over the course of the last hundred years with no end in sight."​

Good post, Rocco. We agree. Do you think Israel could annex sections of the WB with significant Jewish population such as Ma'ale Adumim, Gush Etzion and Ariel as examples? What do you think the outcome would be of such a political move?

(COMMENT)

Israel should attempt to be under the political radar to the extent possible. OR, at lest when in the media, that the issue is not in every news cycle for a week; and as benign as possible.

The centennial presentation of a concept, like the Balfour Declaration (2 November 1917), went by practically unnoticed in the world. The next hundredth landmark anniversary (in three years) wherein the Principle Allied Powers concluded the San Remo Conference (24 April 1920). This was the conference in which the Allied Powers hammered out the language of the Mandate and became committed political to the establishment of the Jewish National Home. It was the consensus, of the Principle Allied Powers, that the Jewish People had
"historical connexion" (sic) with Palestine → and → "the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country."

It will, undoubtedly, come under fire from every known corner of the universe (Jihadist, the Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric fighters) that no such thing occurred. They will make every possible argument to discredit the Allied Powers and their decision.

The Israelis should resist trying to spark a territorial dispute, accompanied by violence; but none the less, be prepared for a new Arab League Campaign.

I do not think that Israel should expand any settlement in the territories just yet.

Instead, the Israelis should bring - All-Hands - dropping gas line to the Sarah Gas Platform in the Levant Basin, while simultaneous building a "Mother-of-All Water Desalinization and Purification Center" and the accompanying distribution center that would rival the Roman Aqueducts. Not only feed that West Bank, but all the to Demona. The same thing should be done out of Elat; feeding the Negev right along the Route 40 Corridor.

Most Respectfully,
R

I agree not expanding settlements. But annexing settlements which will inevitably be part of Isralenin the end??

Also I agree wholeheartedly with your last paragraph.

 

[Shusha]

The settlers need to leave if there will ever be peace. Stealing land is wrong.

Again such a simplistic view. Which settlers? From which land? How will we know when this is accomplished?

The Jewish people were in possession of the land. Their land was stolen from them. Is that wrong or not wrong? Should it be rectified? If not, why not. If so, how?

 

[abi]

But annexing settlements which will inevitably be part of Isralenin the end??

I am convinced that you suffer from an extreme version of a cognitive bias known as the Dunning-Kruger effect. Have you ever been diagnosed?

"Inevitably be part of Israel" and you want peace?