Israel planning to purchase three nuclear submarines from Germany

[Phoenall]

The first two were a gift, the rest at -50% off, this will be the 6th Diesel powered sub.
Germany does not make Nuclear powered subs

LINKS ?

 

[Phoenall]

Who Paid and How?
Who paid for the submarines and how also is a touchy matter. The Israelis collect or cash in, but very rarely pay. The usual suspects here are the U.S. or the Federal Republic of Germany (FRG)—which raises the collateral questions of how and why. In the early 1990s the Israelis demanded new, nuclear-capable submarines—but the U.S. is unable to supply conventional boats, since the last diesel electric submarine line was closed more than 20 years ago. Thus, a scheme was contrived where Ingalls Shipbuilding would serve as the front for moving Foreign Military Sales money—restricted in principle for expenditure in the U.S.—to Germany. Ingalls was to be the nominal prime contractor, but would subcontract the subs to Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft (HDW) in Kiel, thereby circumventing U.S. regulations and creating welcome jobs in the German shipbuilding industry. It is unclear what happened—even though the Israelis had lobbied successfully for the scheme and President George H.W. Bush had approved.

Germany’s Role
The German role is clear, however—albeit rife with anomalies. First, in direct contravention of its explicit restrictions on arms exports, the FRG delivered the submarines. Second, the German government paid for most or all of the bareboat costs.

Germany’s applicable constraints on exports are unusually precise for diplomatic documents:

• “Respect for human rights...is a key factor” in the granting of licences. Israel’s unsavory record is voluminously documented, and the FRG recognizes not only reports by international organizations but also NGOs such as Amnesty International.
• Consideration must be given to whether the recipient is “involved in armed conflict” or where “exports may stir up, perpetuate or exacerbate latent tensions and conflicts.” Facilitating the “nuclearization” of the Indian Ocean certainly applies here.
• It must be weighed whether the recipient country “complies with international obligations” concerning the use of force and international humanitarian law. Israel’s history of flouting the Geneva Conventions is no less well documented.
• The recipient shall have “assumed obligations in the area of non-proliferation.” Here, too, Israel fails the test.

The restrictions are not theoretical. They are often enforced, so that exceptions are all the more egregious. Germany actually does refuse sales to certain countries—even when they are capable of paying—which highlights the extraordinary circumstances of the gift of nuclear-capable Dolphins to Israel. The Saudis, for example, for many years persistently tried to buy—and pay for—Leopard tanks from Germany, and German governments no less persistently spurned the propositions. Indicating a quasi-consistency, Berlin has agreed to sell Turkey submarines—but not tanks or other armor, which, it notes, could be used for internal repression.

The principles have been carried one step further: despite urging from Washington, which has decided to promote greater defense capability for Taiwan, Germany refuses to sell submarines to Taiwan, citing the labile political situation. Here other forces may be at play. According to the FRG policy statement “Labor policy considerations must not be a decisive factor.” Jane’s, however,opined that Germany’s Ministry of Economy seriously feared trade reprisals from Beijing if it sold eight top-of-the-line subs to Taiwan.

Might there be reprisals from the Arab street if it were bruited that Germany had given Israel nuclear submarine capability? Might attacks on Mercedes agencies replace boycotts of McDonald’s? Obviously, the German government discounted such repercussions.

It is not contested that the Dolphins were “donated” to Israel. The sum of DM 1.2 billion was reported in Einzelpost 60, a special account in the Ministry of Finance used for interest payments or ad hoc arrangements. This was subsumed bureaucratically within Germany’s contribution to the Desert Storm begging bowl, even though the U.S. did not receive a penny of the amount.
Israel Expands Its Nuclear Threat Thanks To German "Donation" of Dolphin Subs

The usual islamonazi blog propaganda outlet that makes things up as it goes along

 

[Phoenall]

So, what is inaccurate about the article exactly?

Everything as there is no actual evidence to support the claims made, just hearsay and conjecture. Much like your much used pamphlet sold by a group of idiots that lived the high life in palestine on tax payers money

 

[fanger]

First budgeted in July 1989 and ordered in January 1990, by November the order was cancelled due to budget reallocation aimed at countering Iraqi threats leading up to the 1991 Gulf War. The first two (Dolphin and Leviathan) were fully donated by Germany to restart the program and the third (Tekumah) received a 50% subsidy.
in 2011, Israel ordered a sixth Dolphin-class submarine, for which it was reported to pay the unsubsidized cost of US$1 billion.[37] However, in July 2011, during a meeting between German Defense Minister Thomas de Maizière and Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and Defense minister Ehud Barak, an agreement was reached to subsidize €135 million of the US$500–700 million cost of the sixth submarine
Dolphin-class submarine - Wikipedia

 

[montelatici]

So, what is inaccurate about the article exactly?

Everything, of course. The wrong year, the wrong author, the wrong font, the wrong publication, the wrong etc., what can't go wrong in this situation? And we still haven't found billionaire palistanian saudi sheiks to own 90+% of the british mandate!

The payment by Germany for roughly half of the submarines is confirmed by the Defense News article below. What again are the inaccuracies? Defense News is a very reliable publication. Are you just spouting Zionist bullshit as usual?

"Berlin funded construction costs for Israel’s first two Dolphins, shared half the cost of Israel’s third submarine, and has underwritten about a third of the costs for the fourth and fifth vessels. Under a government-to-government contract signed in 2012 for the sixth submarine, Berlin agreed to underwrite some 135 million Euro on an acquisition that sources here have estimated to exceed 600 million Euro."

israeli-dolphin-sub-leaves-german-shipyard-en-route-home-base

 

[SAYIT]

The payment by Germany for roughly half of the submarines is confirmed by the Defense News article below. What again are the inaccuracies? Defense News is a very reliable publication. Are you just spouting Zionist bullshit as usual? israeli-dolphin-sub-leaves-german-shipyard-en-route-home-base

So what, exactly, is the significance of how much Israel paid for their subs (or any of their gov't purchases)?

 

[aris2chat]

Strategically it would be a disaster for Israel to launch nukes since three nuclear bombs (not talking about hydrogen bombs can easily cover 85% of Israel), nuclear subs are 2nd wave weapon aimed to pose a constant threat for nukes as a one time doomsday intimidation of lunatics, such as Iran that has no actual targets except the Saudis which is the result of the lastly turn of the Iranian regime.

P.S. the subs "Dolphin 2" are capable of carrying nukes.

Masada

 

[Phoenall]

First budgeted in July 1989 and ordered in January 1990, by November the order was cancelled due to budget reallocation aimed at countering Iraqi threats leading up to the 1991 Gulf War. The first two (Dolphin and Leviathan) were fully donated by Germany to restart the program and the third (Tekumah) received a 50% subsidy.
in 2011, Israel ordered a sixth Dolphin-class submarine, for which it was reported to pay the unsubsidized cost of US$1 billion.[37] However, in July 2011, during a meeting between German Defense Minister Thomas de Maizière and Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and Defense minister Ehud Barak, an agreement was reached to subsidize €135 million of the US$500–700 million cost of the sixth submarine
Dolphin-class submarine - Wikipedia

AND! ! ! Are you getting jealous that your fellow islamonazi's cant reach deals like this and come out on top. This is what happens when you go in with a blank sheet and then start talking, not as you do go in with a list of demands that MUST be met before you will even think about talking

 

[Phoenall]

So, what is inaccurate about the article exactly?

Everything, of course. The wrong year, the wrong author, the wrong font, the wrong publication, the wrong etc., what can't go wrong in this situation? And we still haven't found billionaire palistanian saudi sheiks to own 90+% of the british mandate!

The payment by Germany for roughly half of the submarines is confirmed by the Defense News article below. What again are the inaccuracies? Defense News is a very reliable publication. Are you just spouting Zionist bullshit as usual?

"Berlin funded construction costs for Israel’s first two Dolphins, shared half the cost of Israel’s third submarine, and has underwritten about a third of the costs for the fourth and fifth vessels. Under a government-to-government contract signed in 2012 for the sixth submarine, Berlin agreed to underwrite some 135 million Euro on an acquisition that sources here have estimated to exceed 600 million Euro."

israeli-dolphin-sub-leaves-german-shipyard-en-route-home-base

AND what of it. How much has the US written of in fighter jets to Saudi in the last 10 years ?

 

[fanger]

Lets hope so

 

[nicoleivy5]

So, what is inaccurate about the article exactly?

Everything, of course. The wrong year, the wrong author, the wrong font, the wrong publication, the wrong etc., what can't go wrong in this situation? And we still haven't found billionaire palistanian saudi sheiks to own 90+% of the british mandate!

its crazy dawg

 

[nicoleivy5]

So, what is inaccurate about the article exactly?

Everything, of course. The wrong year, the wrong author, the wrong font, the wrong publication, the wrong etc., what can't go wrong in this situation? And we still haven't found billionaire palistanian saudi sheiks to own 90+% of the british mandate!

The payment by Germany for roughly half of the submarines is confirmed by the Defense News article below. What again are the inaccuracies? Defense News is a very reliable publication. Are you just spouting Zionist bullshit as usual?

"Berlin funded construction costs for Israel’s first two Dolphins, shared half the cost of Israel’s third submarine, and has underwritten about a third of the costs for the fourth and fifth vessels. Under a government-to-government contract signed in 2012 for the sixth submarine, Berlin agreed to underwrite some 135 million Euro on an acquisition that sources here have estimated to exceed 600 million Euro."

israeli-dolphin-sub-leaves-german-shipyard-en-route-home-base

AND what of it. How much has the US written of in fighter jets to Saudi in the last 10 years ?

seven

 

[Phoenall]

So, what is inaccurate about the article exactly?

Everything, of course. The wrong year, the wrong author, the wrong font, the wrong publication, the wrong etc., what can't go wrong in this situation? And we still haven't found billionaire palistanian saudi sheiks to own 90+% of the british mandate!

The payment by Germany for roughly half of the submarines is confirmed by the Defense News article below. What again are the inaccuracies? Defense News is a very reliable publication. Are you just spouting Zionist bullshit as usual?

"Berlin funded construction costs for Israel’s first two Dolphins, shared half the cost of Israel’s third submarine, and has underwritten about a third of the costs for the fourth and fifth vessels. Under a government-to-government contract signed in 2012 for the sixth submarine, Berlin agreed to underwrite some 135 million Euro on an acquisition that sources here have estimated to exceed 600 million Euro."

israeli-dolphin-sub-leaves-german-shipyard-en-route-home-base

AND what of it. How much has the US written of in fighter jets to Saudi in the last 10 years ?

seven

Seven what trillion or could it be 7,000,000,000,000,000 of those fabled US dollars ?

 

[fanger]

http://us-foreign-aid.insidegov.com/l/150/Saudi-Arabia

Saudi Arabia got 1.4 million. israel over 3 billion

 

[Phoenall]

http://us-foreign-aid.insidegov.com/l/150/Saudi-Arabia

Saudi Arabia got 1.4 million. israel over 3 billion

You forget the fighters that were handed over that cost that much each, then the training to fly them and the servicing costs.

 

[fanger]

Saudi Arabia Pays for weapons..Saudi Arabia close to deal to buy $1.15bn worth of military equipment from US

 

[Kondor3]

So why are we talking about 13 year old shit?

 

[Daniyel]

Strategically it would be a disaster for Israel to launch nukes since three nuclear bombs (not talking about hydrogen bombs can easily cover 85% of Israel), nuclear subs are 2nd wave weapon aimed to pose a constant threat for nukes as a one time doomsday intimidation of lunatics, such as Iran that has no actual targets except the Saudis which is the result of the lastly turn of the Iranian regime.

P.S. the subs "Dolphin 2" are capable of carrying nukes.

Masada

Not sure about that, Dolphin-class submarine - Wikipedia