Tommy Tainant
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Its certainly dangerous when the psychotic IDF are nearby. It isnt an "accident" when this is the way that they work.
Israel murdering UK and US aid workers in Gaza
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Tommy Tainant
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Netaanyahu verified his own statement. Get back to Fox.
DudleySmith
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lol you gimps just get lamer and lamer. We know what you sickos are, no point in pretending you fool anybody, gimp.
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Tommy Tainant
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World Central Kitchen | 7 WCK team members killed in Gaza
World Central Kitchen is devastated to confirm seven members of our team have been killed in an IDF strike in Gaza.
wck.org
Here you go. They coodinated with the IDF killers. Only a half wit would think that they didnt.
DudleySmith
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These deviants know they're lying; no need to waste serious factual replies on them. They don't even believe their idiot crap themselves.
Frankeneinstein
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Calm down tommy...Just chalk it up in your Oct. 7 column where ya can forget all about it.
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Matted Joybeard
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gipper
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Yet you believe him.
Yarddog
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Middle East crisis: Israel criticised for strike that killed seven aid workers in Gaza – as it happened
World Central Kitchen volunteers killed in strike were from the UK, Australia, Poland and Palestine and included a US-Canadian citizenwww.theguardian.com
Does anyone doubt that this is part of their famine plan. in Gaza. First start a blockade. then stop aid trucks getting thru. Then undermine UNWRA and then kill the volunteerss.
These people were serving 2 million meals a week and now they have paused aid. Its all part of the evil plan.
If biden and sunak had a spine between them they would send in some gunboats and tell that thug netanyahu to **** off. That shit should be in jail not directing murderers.
Enough is enough. Its time for civilised countries to unite and stop the slaughter.
Yes, everyone doubts this dumb theory. Why does it make sense to you that Israel would intentionally target aid workers?
Remember when the US did the same thing in Afghanistan? Blowing up a car filled with aid workers?
For this to be an Israeli plan, is ridiculous on the face of it. Why is it beneficial for them to catch holy hell when they are already under pressure to cease fire.
Secondly, they are using a fraction of their fire power right now against Gaza. The reason they are only using a small fraction of that power is to protect lives from collateral damage.
Syria slaughtered 10 times the amount of civilians. Greatly their own people. That was much closer to actual genocide… and if Israel was truly being indiscriminate as You claim… you would see the same exact numbers given the density of the population.
Logic and reality both tear apart your argument like toilet paper from the dollar store ( excuse me, the 1.95 store adjusted for inflation)
Toddsterpatriot
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I just came across a vid that explained something every other source seems to have left out of the story. Those markings that were so clear, weren't exactly visible after 11pm, which is when the strikes occurred.
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DGS49
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It doesn't seem all that complicated. The IDF had no intention of killing the aid workers, however, an individual commander and a few drone pilots thought they had identified a legitimate target and "pulled the trigger" themselves. It is the sort of thing that happens all the time in war. You can't go up the chain of command every time you want to fire at a target.
This is not to say that the commander is not culpable - he should face serious punishment - but demands by the pro-Hamas community (like the OP) that Israel call off the war are nothing more than verbal and written flatulence. And Biden's posturing is making things worse, it that is at all possible.
This is not to say that the commander is not culpable - he should face serious punishment - but demands by the pro-Hamas community (like the OP) that Israel call off the war are nothing more than verbal and written flatulence. And Biden's posturing is making things worse, it that is at all possible.
Matted Joybeard
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It's The Guardian so fake news?
www.theguardian.com
In a statement on Friday the Israeli military said a retired general’s investigation into the killings found the officers mishandled critical information and violated the army’s rules of engagement. “The strike on the aid vehicles is a grave mistake stemming from a serious failure due to a mistaken identification, errors in decision-making, and an attack contrary to the standard operating procedures,” the statement said.
The investigation determined that a colonel had authorised the series of drone strikes on the convoy based on one major’s observation – from grainy drone-camera footage – that someone in the convoy was armed. The observation turned out to be untrue.
It criticised officers for failing to read messages alerting troops that cars, not aid trucks, would carry workers from the charity away from the warehouse where aid was distributed. As a result, the targeted cars were misidentified as transporting militants.
The army also faulted a major who identified the strike target and a colonel who approved the strike for acting with insufficient information.
The army said it initially hit one car. As people scrambled away into a second car, it hit that vehicle as well. It did the same thing when survivors scrambled into a third car. Army officials claimed drone operators could not see that the cars were marked with the words “World Central Kitchen” because it was night-time.
The results of the rapidly completed investigation, overseen by the retired IDF Maj Gen Yoav Har-Even and presented to the leadership of the WCK and ambassadors of the countries whose citizens were killed, described chaotic and ad hoc decision-making among serious errors that led to three missiles being fired on the vehicles.
The rapid completion of the investigation and the fact it was done by a former IDF officer are unlikely to satisfy demands by the countries of those killed and the WCK leadership, which had called for a full, transparent and independent inquiry, leaving as it does a number of key questions unanswered.
In particular, the IDF was unable to say exactly where communication had broken down about the convoy’s plans and declined to answer questions about whether similar violations of rules of engagement had taken place during the war – in which Palestinians, aid workers and international rights groups have repeatedly accused the army of recklessly striking civilians.
Israeli inquiry findings on aid worker killings lack credibility, charity says
WCK renews call for independent investigation as former general blames incident on ‘grave errors’
www.theguardian.com
In a statement on Friday the Israeli military said a retired general’s investigation into the killings found the officers mishandled critical information and violated the army’s rules of engagement. “The strike on the aid vehicles is a grave mistake stemming from a serious failure due to a mistaken identification, errors in decision-making, and an attack contrary to the standard operating procedures,” the statement said.
The investigation determined that a colonel had authorised the series of drone strikes on the convoy based on one major’s observation – from grainy drone-camera footage – that someone in the convoy was armed. The observation turned out to be untrue.
It criticised officers for failing to read messages alerting troops that cars, not aid trucks, would carry workers from the charity away from the warehouse where aid was distributed. As a result, the targeted cars were misidentified as transporting militants.
The army also faulted a major who identified the strike target and a colonel who approved the strike for acting with insufficient information.
The army said it initially hit one car. As people scrambled away into a second car, it hit that vehicle as well. It did the same thing when survivors scrambled into a third car. Army officials claimed drone operators could not see that the cars were marked with the words “World Central Kitchen” because it was night-time.
The results of the rapidly completed investigation, overseen by the retired IDF Maj Gen Yoav Har-Even and presented to the leadership of the WCK and ambassadors of the countries whose citizens were killed, described chaotic and ad hoc decision-making among serious errors that led to three missiles being fired on the vehicles.
The rapid completion of the investigation and the fact it was done by a former IDF officer are unlikely to satisfy demands by the countries of those killed and the WCK leadership, which had called for a full, transparent and independent inquiry, leaving as it does a number of key questions unanswered.
In particular, the IDF was unable to say exactly where communication had broken down about the convoy’s plans and declined to answer questions about whether similar violations of rules of engagement had taken place during the war – in which Palestinians, aid workers and international rights groups have repeatedly accused the army of recklessly striking civilians.
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So what the article is saying is that failures of communication within the IDF and weak links in its command structure led to the drone operator believing he was attacking hostiles.It's The Guardian so fake news?
Israeli inquiry findings on aid worker killings lack credibility, charity says
WCK renews call for independent investigation as former general blames incident on ‘grave errors’
In a statement on Friday the Israeli military said a retired general’s investigation into the killings found the officers mishandled critical information and violated the army’s rules of engagement. “The strike on the aid vehicles is a grave mistake stemming from a serious failure due to a mistaken identification, errors in decision-making, and an attack contrary to the standard operating procedures,” the statement said.
The investigation determined that a colonel had authorised the series of drone strikes on the convoy based on one major’s observation – from grainy drone-camera footage – that someone in the convoy was armed. The observation turned out to be untrue.
It criticised officers for failing to read messages alerting troops that cars, not aid trucks, would carry workers from the charity away from the warehouse where aid was distributed. As a result, the targeted cars were misidentified as transporting militants.
The army also faulted a major who identified the strike target and a colonel who approved the strike for acting with insufficient information.
The army said it initially hit one car. As people scrambled away into a second car, it hit that vehicle as well. It did the same thing when survivors scrambled into a third car. Army officials claimed drone operators could not see that the cars were marked with the words “World Central Kitchen” because it was night-time.
The results of the rapidly completed investigation, overseen by the retired IDF Maj Gen Yoav Har-Even and presented to the leadership of the WCK and ambassadors of the countries whose citizens were killed, described chaotic and ad hoc decision-making among serious errors that led to three missiles being fired on the vehicles.
The rapid completion of the investigation and the fact it was done by a former IDF officer are unlikely to satisfy demands by the countries of those killed and the WCK leadership, which had called for a full, transparent and independent inquiry, leaving as it does a number of key questions unanswered.
In particular, the IDF was unable to say exactly where communication had broken down about the convoy’s plans and declined to answer questions about whether similar violations of rules of engagement had taken place during the war – in which Palestinians, aid workers and international rights groups have repeatedly accused the army of recklessly striking civilians.
I'm sure the IDF will do what it can to avoid friendly fire incidents from occurring again, but mistakes will happen and working in a war zone will remain dangerous.
Essentially, the article is saying that the drone operator and his superiors, because of communication failures within the IDF, did not have enough information to be certain this convoy was carrying enemy soldiers and they were faced with a tough choice: do they allow the convoy to pass and risk finding out later it was carrying enemy soldiers who went on to kill fellow Israeli soldiers, or do they blow it up and risk finding out later, as they have, they killed civilians?
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Essentially, the official reasoning for the strike is someone maybe saw a gun.
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The Guadian article leaves out some details. This one provides a fuller picture of what happened, including unsuccessful attempts to contact WCK workers by phone by the IDF and the WCK headquarters.
IDF dismisses two senior officers, censures 3 others in mistaken attack on aid workers
After the unfortunate sequence of events resulting in the IDF's fatal error, the IDF issued a statement about the incident.
www.jpost.com
The drones are there to hunt and destroy enemy targets and in the absence of information that WCK workers would be traveling by car and not by aid truck in the area, the convoy appeared to be like other Hamas convoys and the inability to find conclusive evidence to the contrary left the fire unit with the choice to either allow an enemy convoy to pass and maybe kill other Israeli soldiers or risk killing civilians and in this case they made the wrong decision.
Keep in mind that the IDF did not enter Gaza again after all these years to feed the population but to destroy the Gaza terrorists to prevent more Oct 7 attacks, and the purpose of the aid workers is to try to mitigate some of the unavoidable damage the war has caused, not to alter the purpose of the war. They are rightly regarded as heroes precisely because they have chosen to work in a very dangerous environment - if it weren't for the danger, they would just be truck drivers and not heroes at all. This event is testing their commitment to duty, and perhaps they will find it is not sufficient to risk the dangers and they should work only in safer environments.
Ringo
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Let it be noted that if there is a change in Western policy toward genocide in Gaza, that it was caused by Israeli murder of 7 Western aid workers and not by the slaughter of 33,000 Palestinians.
Toddsterpatriot
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What genocide?
Mac-7
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There is no accurate number for how many palestinian civilians who were not Hamas have died killed
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