Israel is preparing for the next Lebanon war

[Jos]

This is a rather strongly biased blog, purportedly written by an apostate. Elsewhere he makes various allegations that 'Mossad' was after him, etc, etc.

And of course he gets interviewed by Chris Bolleyn - a truly 'unbiased' individual there, LOL!

I think this conspiranutter bilge belongs on a different forum.

You'll note the typical conspiracy complaints ("Jewish houses won't publish ... blah,blah,blah") as if the only publishing houses were Jewish. These goofballs (like Bollyn who also claims to be pursued by shadowy forces of evil) never consider the possibility that their work and their hateful beliefs are just too far off the wall to be taken seriously by anyone other than like-minded fools.

Haaretz published it
http://www.usmessageboard.com/israe...g-for-the-next-lebanon-war-5.html#post5611687

 

[Hollie]

What do you and Sherri really have, Tinny? When we see what is going on and what has gone on in the Muslim world as well as places like Thailand and the Philippines when it comes to Muslims murdering other innocent people, it really sounds so ludicrous that you and Sherri want to show Israel as this most terrible, terrible country. You can actually be the best Dhimwit in the entire world, but as an Infidel, you, yourself, wouldn't fare very well.


jt2

what is wrong with you? one thing does not justify the other and i don't think people need to preface their condemnation of israeli wrong doing by listing all the other horrible things that are being done in the world.

i mean, you fixate on some alleged muslim atrocities. fine, they are wrong. bot i am not at all going to try to justify what ssome muslims do by pointing out the problems of latino gang violence in east LA or financiers on wall street that fleece old people out of their retirements with ponzi schemes or other ways.

personally, i think stock manipulaters, ponzi schemers, corporations that outsource so many american jobs, and etc do far more harm to america than al quada has ever done, but i would be an idiot to use those practices to diminish, soft peddle,or otherwise excuse what osama bin laden, the taliban, or other militant groups have done.

israel is committing the crime of genocide (as codified in international law and explained by many genocide scholars). that is of course, arguable, but as time passes, it becomes less arguable. i have opposed israeli action and policy since about the mid-'70s, but i would have scoffed at the charge of israel commiting acts of genocide ten years ago, and i have disagreed with the allegations as few as two years ago, but today, i am appalled by my country supporting what very well might be and in fact, in all probability will be, regarded by history as a genocide.

as for the lebanese war and the gaza invasion. i think you know i was a master gunner in the United States Army Field Artillery, and that distinction does not come easily. i was a fire direction specialist and at times, i was used as a forward observer. i knew and know my stuff, and i can say without a doubt that there was an illegal use of weapons and munitions in gaza for sure and i strongly suspect the same during the lebanese war. (for all those naysayers who say this, that, and the next thing about WP or cluster bombs being legal, well, so is an M-16...but you can't line the villagers up, gun them down, and then shove them into a rice paddy to be used as fertilizer...or perhaps hitting closer to home, i am not going to attempt to minimise the horrible tragedy of auschwitz by saying hydrogen cyanide is a legal gas. those are not bad analogies when confined to the weapon/substance being used.)

maybe it is easy for you to look away while childeren are being killed, and may even enjoy that some are muslims. i hope that isn't the case, i don't think it is. i will have no truck with anyone who tries to justify or excuse the senseless slaughter of innocent civilians, and particularly children, anywhere, and in this case, we are talking about the gaza strip and lebanon.

A reasonable, rational and thoughtful post. I wish I didn't have to view it through the prism of all the "Jewboy" and "****" stuff that rolled so easily off your keyboard in the not too distant past. I disagree with your genocide conclusion, of course, but otherwise you make plenty of common sense. There is no reason to use one human tragedy to minimize another.

I'll agree with Sayit that yours was a reasoned and well constructed post. I think we can all agree that women and children being put in harms way was unfair, cruel and unnecessary. I also think that not proposing alternatives and not assigning responsibility for the innocent deaths was unfair.

To put a finer point on this, Israel is surrounded geographically, politically and ideologically by virulently hostile Arabs / moslems who have repeatedly made attempts to push the Israeli population into the sea by gunfire. The hostile actions by Iranian proxies was just the most recent attack. Let's also study this in the context of Iran being possibly the most Jew haten'est place on the planet. The actions of hezbollah (the diversionary shelling and later kidnapping and killing of Israeli soldiers) were calculated acts. The escalation of hostilities from that point forward was not difficult to predict.

Ultimately, responsibility has to be assessed and assigned. That responsibility must fall to the aggressors: Iran and its paid mercenary army in Lebanon. As is so often the case with Islamic terrorist rabble, hezbollah intentionally put civilians at risk by attacking Israel and then refusing to west uniforms (until after hostilities had ended) and using populated areas to conceal themselves. It's an oft used tactic of Islamic terrorist cowards to attack from civilian areas and then announce the "inhumanity" of dead civilians they had put at risk.

Lastly, if you do a search, there are many reliable articles describing Nasrallah, the head turban in charge of hezbollah admitting his mistake in underestimating the Israeli response. If you're understandably upset by the civilian deaths, assign responsibility where its due and assign accountability to those who provoked war.

 

[SAYIT]

This is a rather strongly biased blog, purportedly written by an apostate. Elsewhere he makes various allegations that 'Mossad' was after him, etc, etc.

And of course he gets interviewed by Chris Bolleyn - a truly 'unbiased' individual there, LOL!

I think this conspiranutter bilge belongs on a different forum.

You'll note the typical conspiracy complaints ("Jewish houses won't publish ... blah,blah,blah") as if the only publishing houses were Jewish. These goofballs (like Bollyn who also claims to be pursued by shadowy forces of evil) never consider the possibility that their work and their hateful beliefs are just too far off the wall to be taken seriously by anyone other than like-minded fools.

Haaretz published it
http://www.usmessageboard.com/israe...g-for-the-next-lebanon-war-5.html#post5611687

Ha'aretz did not publish Tov's books and the gov't of any state, under constant seige by her "peaceful" neighbors (as Israel has been since 1948) would be shirking their duty if they didn't prepare for all the bad things those neighbors might have in mind.

 

[Hollie]

The author has added the commentary: The prime minister, the government, and the army, knew that. Openly deceiving the entire world, they attacked for the sake of achieving a different target.

Context is important, my little wannabe.

So do you agree with his or Haaretz's comments, little neverbeen

I don't know at what moment in time Israel knew of the death of their soldiers. The escalation of the hostilities came from both sides, although, let's remember that hezbollah was the aggressor. If Israel saw targets of opportunity to engage as a result of attempting to protect it's citizens from further shelling, that's a defendable position. If the Israeli position was to exact some retribution for the attack on their borders, that's also a defendable position.

 

[SAYIT]

Anything Jos says I would flush down the Islam I mean toilet.

Unnecessary and unfunny.
It isn't the religion but rather the culture it has spawned (particularly the Arab variety).
Successive UN sponsored but Arab scholar authored Human Development Reports invariably conclude that their own oppressive, often tribal, ignorance-embracing, sexist culture has hamstrung human advancement in the region.

Arab Human Development Reports - United Nations Development Programme

 

[SAYIT]

The author has added the commentary: The prime minister, the government, and the army, knew that. Openly deceiving the entire world, they attacked for the sake of achieving a different target.

Context is important, my little wannabe.

So do you agree with his or Haaretz's comments, little neverbeen

I don't know at what moment in time Israel knew of the death of their soldiers. The escalation of the hostilities came from both sides, although, let's remember that hezbollah was the aggressor. If Israel saw targets of opportunity to engage as a result of attempting to protect it's citizens from further shelling, that's a defendable position. If the Israeli position was to exact some retribution for the attack on their borders, that's also a defendable position.

Probably some of both but the end result, as with Op Cast Lead, was to let the terror-rats know that violence would be met with same and there is a very dear price to be paid. I believe it is a lesson many on both sides have learned and if not for the rads among them, the enlightened members (those who have had enough of the violence) would produce some sort of solution.

 

[Jos]

. Let's also study this in the context of Iran being possibly the most Jew haten'est place on the planet.

If that were true, why would so many Iranian Jews chose to stay in Iran?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2Skmj8q0Wg]Jews in Iran - Australian TV - 1/2 - YouTube[/ame]
Could it be Iran Is against the policies of Israel, but not Jews in general?

 

[P F Tinmore]

what is wrong with you? one thing does not justify the other and i don't think people need to preface their condemnation of israeli wrong doing by listing all the other horrible things that are being done in the world.

i mean, you fixate on some alleged muslim atrocities. fine, they are wrong. bot i am not at all going to try to justify what ssome muslims do by pointing out the problems of latino gang violence in east LA or financiers on wall street that fleece old people out of their retirements with ponzi schemes or other ways.

personally, i think stock manipulaters, ponzi schemers, corporations that outsource so many american jobs, and etc do far more harm to america than al quada has ever done, but i would be an idiot to use those practices to diminish, soft peddle,or otherwise excuse what osama bin laden, the taliban, or other militant groups have done.

israel is committing the crime of genocide (as codified in international law and explained by many genocide scholars). that is of course, arguable, but as time passes, it becomes less arguable. i have opposed israeli action and policy since about the mid-'70s, but i would have scoffed at the charge of israel commiting acts of genocide ten years ago, and i have disagreed with the allegations as few as two years ago, but today, i am appalled by my country supporting what very well might be and in fact, in all probability will be, regarded by history as a genocide.

as for the lebanese war and the gaza invasion. i think you know i was a master gunner in the United States Army Field Artillery, and that distinction does not come easily. i was a fire direction specialist and at times, i was used as a forward observer. i knew and know my stuff, and i can say without a doubt that there was an illegal use of weapons and munitions in gaza for sure and i strongly suspect the same during the lebanese war. (for all those naysayers who say this, that, and the next thing about WP or cluster bombs being legal, well, so is an M-16...but you can't line the villagers up, gun them down, and then shove them into a rice paddy to be used as fertilizer...or perhaps hitting closer to home, i am not going to attempt to minimise the horrible tragedy of auschwitz by saying hydrogen cyanide is a legal gas. those are not bad analogies when confined to the weapon/substance being used.)

maybe it is easy for you to look away while childeren are being killed, and may even enjoy that some are muslims. i hope that isn't the case, i don't think it is. i will have no truck with anyone who tries to justify or excuse the senseless slaughter of innocent civilians, and particularly children, anywhere, and in this case, we are talking about the gaza strip and lebanon.

A reasonable, rational and thoughtful post. I wish I didn't have to view it through the prism of all the "Jewboy" and "****" stuff that rolled so easily off your keyboard in the not too distant past. I disagree with your genocide conclusion, of course, but otherwise you make plenty of common sense. There is no reason to use one human tragedy to minimize another.

I'll agree with Sayit that yours was a reasoned and well constructed post. I think we can all agree that women and children being put in harms way was unfair, cruel and unnecessary. I also think that not proposing alternatives and not assigning responsibility for the innocent deaths was unfair.

To put a finer point on this, Israel is surrounded geographically, politically and ideologically by virulently hostile Arabs / moslems who have repeatedly made attempts to push the Israeli population into the sea by gunfire. The hostile actions by Iranian proxies was just the most recent attack. Let's also study this in the context of Iran being possibly the most Jew haten'est place on the planet. The actions of hezbollah (the diversionary shelling and later kidnapping and killing of Israeli soldiers) were calculated acts. The escalation of hostilities from that point forward was not difficult to predict.

Ultimately, responsibility has to be assessed and assigned. That responsibility must fall to the aggressors: Iran and its paid mercenary army in Lebanon. As is so often the case with Islamic terrorist rabble, hezbollah intentionally put civilians at risk by attacking Israel and then refusing to west uniforms (until after hostilities had ended) and using populated areas to conceal themselves. It's an oft used tactic of Islamic terrorist cowards to attack from civilian areas and then announce the "inhumanity" of dead civilians they had put at risk.

Lastly, if you do a search, there are many reliable articles describing Nasrallah, the head turban in charge of hezbollah admitting his mistake in underestimating the Israeli response. If you're understandably upset by the civilian deaths, assign responsibility where its due and assign accountability to those who provoked war.

Ultimately, responsibility has to be assessed and assigned. That responsibility must fall to the aggressors:

Indeed, the Zionists started this war a hundred years ago.

 

[Jos]

Probably some of both but the end result, as with Op Cast Lead, was to let the terror-rats know that violence would be met with same and there is a very dear price to be paid. I believe it is a lesson many on both sides have learned and if not for the rads among them, the enlightened members (those who have had enough of the violence) would produce some sort of solution.

"Operation Cast Lead" Was also to invoke terror amongst the civilian population of Gaza, in a bid to get them to quit supporting the democratically elected Hamas, but no alternative is on offer

 

[P F Tinmore]

Probably some of both but the end result, as with Op Cast Lead, was to let the terror-rats know that violence would be met with same and there is a very dear price to be paid. I believe it is a lesson many on both sides have learned and if not for the rads among them, the enlightened members (those who have had enough of the violence) would produce some sort of solution.

"Operation Cast Lead" Was also to invoke terror amongst the civilian population of Gaza, in a bid to get them to quit supporting the democratically elected Hamas, but no alternative is on offer

Really, the Palestinians have no good options.

The only government they are allowed to have will sell them down the river.

 

[Hollie]

. Let's also study this in the context of Iran being possibly the most Jew haten'est place on the planet.

If that were true, why would so many Iranian Jews chose to stay in Iran?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2Skmj8q0Wg]Jews in Iran - Australian TV - 1/2 - YouTube[/ame]
Could it be Iran Is against the policies of Israel, but not Jews in general?

Please stop this nonsense. This was part of a separate thread and addressed previously. There is a small Jewish population in Iran which remains for many reasons.

YouTube videos of unknown origin, vintage and context are not convincing of anything.

 

[irosie91]

Anything Jos says I would flush down the Islam I mean toilet.

The Torah

Jos you are welcome to purchase a Torah scroll and flush it down the toilet-----no one would kill you for doing it If you wish to have a koran ---to flush or to besmear with dog feces----do not bother to purchase one------you can get a free copy from CAIR----or from any dump in which people place unwanted books I have several copies and certainly never paid for any of them I have an unlimited supply for "BESMEARING" purposes

 

[Jos]

. Let's also study this in the context of Iran being possibly the most Jew haten'est place on the planet.

If that were true, why would so many Iranian Jews chose to stay in Iran?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2Skmj8q0Wg]Jews in Iran - Australian TV - 1/2 - YouTube[/ame]
Could it be Iran Is against the policies of Israel, but not Jews in general?

Please stop this nonsense. This was part of a separate thread and addressed previously. There is a small Jewish population in Iran which remains for many reasons.

YouTube videos of unknown origin, vintage and context are not convincing of anything.

That one was from, as you can read at the top of the video, Australian TV,
And they state, they have full rights as Iranian jews to freedom of religion, and full rights to participate in politics, why doesn't israel offer that to the majority of peace loving Palestinians, and use the security forces to arrest the violent ones?

 

[Jos]

Anything Jos says I would flush down the Islam I mean toilet.

The Torah

Jos you are welcome to purchase a Torah scroll and flush it down the toilet-----no one would kill you for doing it

Dont need to Buy one, Roudy is gonna do it for free

 

[SAYIT]

If that were true, why would so many Iranian Jews chose to stay in Iran?
Jews in Iran - Australian TV - 1/2 - YouTube
Could it be Iran Is against the policies of Israel, but not Jews in general?

Please stop this nonsense. This was part of a separate thread and addressed previously. There is a small Jewish population in Iran which remains for many reasons.

YouTube videos of unknown origin, vintage and context are not convincing of anything.

That one was from, as you can read at the top of the video, Australian TV,
And they state, they have full rights as Iranian jews to freedom of religion, and full rights to participate in politics, why doesn't israel offer that to the majority of peace loving Palestinians, and use the security forces to arrest the violent ones?

Perhaps because it's so hard to tell them apart. Meanwhile:
List of Arab members of the Knesset - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Arab citizens of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[SAYIT]

If that were true, why would so many Iranian Jews chose to stay in Iran?
Jews in Iran - Australian TV - 1/2 - YouTube
Could it be Iran Is against the policies of Israel, but not Jews in general?

Please stop this nonsense. This was part of a separate thread and addressed previously. There is a small Jewish population in Iran which remains for many reasons.

YouTube videos of unknown origin, vintage and context are not convincing of anything.

That one was from, as you can read at the top of the video, Australian TV,
And they state, they have full rights as Iranian jews to freedom of religion, and full rights to participate in politics, why doesn't israel offer that to the majority of peace loving Palestinians, and use the security forces to arrest the violent ones?

Sorry ... I couldn't resist:

UN drug agency head slams anti-Jewish Iran remarks
The Associated Press
VIENNA -- The head of the U.N.'s drug fighting agency and the U.S. State Department have criticized anti-Jewish remarks made by an Iranian vice president last week.

A United Nations Office for Drugs and Crime statement says agency chief Yury Fedotov expressed "his dismay and serious concern" while meeting with a senior unidentified Iranian diplomat in Vienna "about the anti-Semitic comments of Iranian Vice President Mohammad Reza Rahimi."

Rahimi was cited by Iranian media and on President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's website as saying at the June 26 anti-drugs meeting in Tehran that "the spread of narcotics in the world emanates from the teachings of the Talmud ... whose objective is the destruction of the world." The Talmud is the Jewish book of laws.

Ahmadinejad called for Israel to be wiped off the face of the map in 2005.

In Washington on Tuesday, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland issued a statement condemning what she called "Rahimi's vile anti-Semitic and racist comments."

Read more here: UN drug agency head slams anti-Jewish Iran remarks - Politics Wires - MiamiHerald.com

 

[Hollie]

If that were true, why would so many Iranian Jews chose to stay in Iran?
Jews in Iran - Australian TV - 1/2 - YouTube
Could it be Iran Is against the policies of Israel, but not Jews in general?

Please stop this nonsense. This was part of a separate thread and addressed previously. There is a small Jewish population in Iran which remains for many reasons.

YouTube videos of unknown origin, vintage and context are not convincing of anything.

That one was from, as you can read at the top of the video, Australian TV,
And they state, they have full rights as Iranian jews to freedom of religion, and full rights to participate in politics, why doesn't israel offer that to the majority of peace loving Palestinians, and use the security forces to arrest the violent ones?

Well... If you read it on the internet it must be true.

 

[SAYIT]

Probably some of both but the end result, as with Op Cast Lead, was to let the terror-rats know that violence would be met with same and there is a very dear price to be paid. I believe it is a lesson many on both sides have learned and if not for the rads among them, the enlightened members (those who have had enough of the violence) would produce some sort of solution.

"Operation Cast Lead" Was also to invoke terror amongst the civilian population of Gaza, in a bid to get them to quit supporting the democratically elected Hamas, but no alternative is on offer

You're a joke, Jos.
In case you missed it, most Gazans are now very hesitant to attack Israel. I'd say the result makes Op Cast Lead a resounding success!

 

[sealadaigh]

What do you and Sherri really have, Tinny? When we see what is going on and what has gone on in the Muslim world as well as places like Thailand and the Philippines when it comes to Muslims murdering other innocent people, it really sounds so ludicrous that you and Sherri want to show Israel as this most terrible, terrible country. You can actually be the best Dhimwit in the entire world, but as an Infidel, you, yourself, wouldn't fare very well.


jt2

what is wrong with you? one thing does not justify the other and i don't think people need to preface their condemnation of israeli wrong doing by listing all the other horrible things that are being done in the world.

i mean, you fixate on some alleged muslim atrocities. fine, they are wrong. bot i am not at all going to try to justify what ssome muslims do by pointing out the problems of latino gang violence in east LA or financiers on wall street that fleece old people out of their retirements with ponzi schemes or other ways.

personally, i think stock manipulaters, ponzi schemers, corporations that outsource so many american jobs, and etc do far more harm to america than al quada has ever done, but i would be an idiot to use those practices to diminish, soft peddle,or otherwise excuse what osama bin laden, the taliban, or other militant groups have done.

israel is committing the crime of genocide (as codified in international law and explained by many genocide scholars). that is of course, arguable, but as time passes, it becomes less arguable. i have opposed israeli action and policy since about the mid-'70s, but i would have scoffed at the charge of israel commiting acts of genocide ten years ago, and i have disagreed with the allegations as few as two years ago, but today, i am appalled by my country supporting what very well might be and in fact, in all probability will be, regarded by history as a genocide.

as for the lebanese war and the gaza invasion. i think you know i was a master gunner in the United States Army Field Artillery, and that distinction does not come easily. i was a fire direction specialist and at times, i was used as a forward observer. i knew and know my stuff, and i can say without a doubt that there was an illegal use of weapons and munitions in gaza for sure and i strongly suspect the same during the lebanese war. (for all those naysayers who say this, that, and the next thing about WP or cluster bombs being legal, well, so is an M-16...but you can't line the villagers up, gun them down, and then shove them into a rice paddy to be used as fertilizer...or perhaps hitting closer to home, i am not going to attempt to minimise the horrible tragedy of auschwitz by saying hydrogen cyanide is a legal gas. those are not bad analogies when confined to the weapon/substance being used.)

maybe it is easy for you to look away while childeren are being killed, and may even enjoy that some are muslims. i hope that isn't the case, i don't think it is. i will have no truck with anyone who tries to justify or excuse the senseless slaughter of innocent civilians, and particularly children, anywhere, and in this case, we are talking about the gaza strip and lebanon.

A reasonable, rational and thoughtful post. I wish I didn't have to view it through the prism of all the "Jewboy" and "****" stuff that rolled so easily off your keyboard in the not too distant past. I disagree with your genocide conclusion, of course, but otherwise you make plenty of common sense. There is no reason to use one human tragedy to minimize another.

thank you.

no one over there was without fault and no one over there was without provocation.

i really think any further discussion on that particular matter would come to no good end. i am, however, neither afraid nor embarrassed to discuss it.

i am, and always have been, against demeaning and disrespectful comments based upon ethnicities, religion, or whatever. i see no discernable difference between between referring to a person as a "muslim terrorist" or an "irish drunk" or a "jewish shylock."

 

[sealadaigh]

what is wrong with you? one thing does not justify the other and i don't think people need to preface their condemnation of israeli wrong doing by listing all the other horrible things that are being done in the world.

i mean, you fixate on some alleged muslim atrocities. fine, they are wrong. bot i am not at all going to try to justify what ssome muslims do by pointing out the problems of latino gang violence in east LA or financiers on wall street that fleece old people out of their retirements with ponzi schemes or other ways.

personally, i think stock manipulaters, ponzi schemers, corporations that outsource so many american jobs, and etc do far more harm to america than al quada has ever done, but i would be an idiot to use those practices to diminish, soft peddle,or otherwise excuse what osama bin laden, the taliban, or other militant groups have done.

israel is committing the crime of genocide (as codified in international law and explained by many genocide scholars). that is of course, arguable, but as time passes, it becomes less arguable. i have opposed israeli action and policy since about the mid-'70s, but i would have scoffed at the charge of israel commiting acts of genocide ten years ago, and i have disagreed with the allegations as few as two years ago, but today, i am appalled by my country supporting what very well might be and in fact, in all probability will be, regarded by history as a genocide.

as for the lebanese war and the gaza invasion. i think you know i was a master gunner in the United States Army Field Artillery, and that distinction does not come easily. i was a fire direction specialist and at times, i was used as a forward observer. i knew and know my stuff, and i can say without a doubt that there was an illegal use of weapons and munitions in gaza for sure and i strongly suspect the same during the lebanese war. (for all those naysayers who say this, that, and the next thing about WP or cluster bombs being legal, well, so is an M-16...but you can't line the villagers up, gun them down, and then shove them into a rice paddy to be used as fertilizer...or perhaps hitting closer to home, i am not going to attempt to minimise the horrible tragedy of auschwitz by saying hydrogen cyanide is a legal gas. those are not bad analogies when confined to the weapon/substance being used.)

maybe it is easy for you to look away while childeren are being killed, and may even enjoy that some are muslims. i hope that isn't the case, i don't think it is. i will have no truck with anyone who tries to justify or excuse the senseless slaughter of innocent civilians, and particularly children, anywhere, and in this case, we are talking about the gaza strip and lebanon.

A reasonable, rational and thoughtful post. I wish I didn't have to view it through the prism of all the "Jewboy" and "****" stuff that rolled so easily off your keyboard in the not too distant past. I disagree with your genocide conclusion, of course, but otherwise you make plenty of common sense. There is no reason to use one human tragedy to minimize another.

I'll agree with Sayit that yours was a reasoned and well constructed post. I think we can all agree that women and children being put in harms way was unfair, cruel and unnecessary. I also think that not proposing alternatives and not assigning responsibility for the innocent deaths was unfair.

To put a finer point on this, Israel is surrounded geographically, politically and ideologically by virulently hostile Arabs / moslems who have repeatedly made attempts to push the Israeli population into the sea by gunfire. The hostile actions by Iranian proxies was just the most recent attack. Let's also study this in the context of Iran being possibly the most Jew haten'est place on the planet. The actions of hezbollah (the diversionary shelling and later kidnapping and killing of Israeli soldiers) were calculated acts. The escalation of hostilities from that point forward was not difficult to predict.

Ultimately, responsibility has to be assessed and assigned. That responsibility must fall to the aggressors: Iran and its paid mercenary army in Lebanon. As is so often the case with Islamic terrorist rabble, hezbollah intentionally put civilians at risk by attacking Israel and then refusing to west uniforms (until after hostilities had ended) and using populated areas to conceal themselves. It's an oft used tactic of Islamic terrorist cowards to attack from civilian areas and then announce the "inhumanity" of dead civilians they had put at risk.

Lastly, if you do a search, there are many reliable articles describing Nasrallah, the head turban in charge of hezbollah admitting his mistake in underestimating the Israeli response. If you're understandably upset by the civilian deaths, assign responsibility where its due and assign accountability to those who provoked war.

i am not quite sure how to respond. lets start simply...

what exactly would you have the gaza insurrectionary forces do, put on bright red coats, march out to the middle of the negev, and put in a call to the IDF and IAF informing them that they are ready for battle? would you mind horribly if they reversed the charges on that call?

many countries and groups have military advisors from other countries. the USA is notorious for sending advisors to other countries.

as for nasrallah (and you may want to knock it off with the "head turban" stuff. there are many people in the region with headgear unique to their ethnicity that can be ridiculed. the teffilin springs to mind). what he said exactly was "We do not think, even one percent, that the capture led to a war at this time and of this magnitude. I'm convinced and sure that this war was planned and that the capture of these hostages was just their excuse to start their pre-planned war, but if I had known on July 11 ... that the operation would lead to such a war, would I do it? I say no, absolutely not." but i am not sure why you would even bring it up. i don't think, when he said that he didn't think "that the operation would lead to such a war' that he was referring to precision bombing and artillery barrages that were designed to spare the lives of non-combatants. i think he probably meant instead that he didn't think the IDF and the IAF acted with an amoral barbarity with ill regard as to the harm it would cause to the civilian population. i could be wrong though. maybe he did mean that the IDF were strac troops who conducted themselves with valor, honour, and the finest kind of military decorum.

(and here is another little tip...there are what, 22 arab states and all arabs are not the same. it would be kinda like someone assuming all jews are hasidim.)