Israel & iran

[Billo_Really]

The educational system certainly has failed you. You are incapable of basic spelling: http://www.usmessageboard.com/5141405-post489.html

What's funny is, you can't even state what that specific failure is. The best you can do, is innuendo.

 

[JStone]

How does immigration proves displacement?
The Jews who immigrated to the British mandate bought lands fairly without displacing anyone.Most of the time the lands they bought were uninhabited and overpriced.
Jewish land purchase in Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Land records at the time indicated arabs owned 90% of the land and wound up with 30%. Let's not forget, over 700,000 arabs were driven out due to jewish terrorism.

First, master grade school spelling: http://www.usmessageboard.com/5141405-post489.html

Wiki is for monkeys. Palestine is Israel.

After, have an adult with a functioning brain open a history book for you.

During the Ottoman Empire, 99% of the land was classified as "miri" land owned by the Sultanate. Land was leased to residents for cultivation but ultimately reverted back to the Sultanate.

Wealthy absentee Arab landlords who owned "mulk" land sold it to the Jews. Arab land sales to Jews is well-documented.

Your lesson for the day

 

[Billo_Really]

How does immigration proves displacement?
The Jews who immigrated to the British mandate bought lands fairly without displacing anyone.Most of the time the lands they bought were uninhabited and overpriced.
Jewish land purchase in Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Land records at the time indicated arabs owned 90% of the land and wound up with 30%. Let's not forget, over 700,000 arabs were driven out due to jewish terrorism.

First, master grade school spelling: http://www.usmessageboard.com/5141405-post489.html

Wiki is for monkeys. Palestine is Israel.

After, have an adult with a functioning brain open a history book for you.

During the Ottoman Empire, 99% of the land was classified as "miri" land owned by the Sultanate. Land was leased to residents for cultivation but ultimately reverted back to the Sultanate.

Wealthy absentee Arab landlords who owned "mulk" land sold it to the Jews. Arab land sales to Jews is well-documented.

Your lesson for the day

Who was Irgun?

And why did Einstein call Begin a terrorist?

 

[docmauser1]

That's a pretty un-American thing to say, since our country is based on the rule of law.

Has the constitution been abolished, yet?

No, it's been rendered "null and void" by the Patriot and Military Commission's Acts.

Ah, that's why we are babbling "international law", aren't we?

 

[Foxfyre]

Can you name any other group of people who have been as unwelcome and as persecuted in various parts of the world as have the Jews? Can you name any other group of people who were imprisoned en masse, tortured, humiliated, starved, gassed and 6 million of them murdered before the Allied forces rescued those who were left? Can you imagine remaining in a country with the same people who had done that to you?

The Israelis occupy a tiny TINY strip of land that holds thousands of years of history and sacred significance to them. The land is no larger than one of our New Mexico counties. It is the ONE place in all the Earth in which they are finally free to organize their lives as they choose and be free to be who they are without fear that their government will turn on them and persecute them.

And why the rest of the world faults them for that or cannot understand why they want and need that is a mystery to me.

They got their land. That's not the issue. The issue is, their claim to someone else's land. Why can't you see the tyranny they are inflicting on others? The "occupiers" are not the victims.

What tyranny? Israel is the ONLY nation in the entire Middle East with open and fair elections and that respects human rights and that includes the million or so Arabs who are Israeli citizens, allowed seats on the Knesset, and full citizenship rights. The only way Arabs are treated differently is that military service is not required for them because of the likelihood they would be in a position of fighting their own blood and kin. Still Arabs are allowed to serve in the military if they choose to do so.

Israel has not initiated any aggression against its neighbors, but they do whatever is necessary to keep the suicide bombers out, to retaliate against rockets fired into their residential neighborhoods, and in general protect their people as well as they can.

The land they have was controlled by the U.K. that gave it up, was designated by the U.N. and nobody was forced to leave the land who already lived there. It was mostly dry and barren desert until the Jews took over control of the area and now it blooms and thrives. But from Day 1 of the existence of Israel, their Arab neighbors have plotted or acted to drive them out.

 

[Wolverine1984]

How does immigration proves displacement?
The Jews who immigrated to the British mandate bought lands fairly without displacing anyone.Most of the time the lands they bought were uninhabited and overpriced.
Jewish land purchase in Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Land records at the time indicated arabs owned 90% of the land and wound up with 30%. Let's not forget, over 700,000 arabs were driven out due to jewish terrorism.

It has nothing to do with immigration the reason for that is the war.


There is no land records that show 90% of Arab ownership.I would very much like to see where you got this information from.
It's true that the Jews owned about 6 to 8% of the land, however there is no record about the reminder of the land some of the 92% belongs to the Arabs some belonged to absentee landlords in some belonged to the state( British mandate and the time ).

I think it would be wise to point out that the Jews lived on their 6 to 8% of the land until the war in 1948.


You seem to be surprised about the low percentage of the land that the Arabs got in the end of the war.

Before war broke out Palestinians Arabs rejected the UN partition plan and instead went to war against the Jews.

Well wars are like that there is always the possibility for failure. And when you initiate a war you must take into account that you may lose.

Arabs lost thus must face the consequence of the war they themselves initiated.

Let's not forget, over 700,000 arabs were driven out due to jewish terrorism.

I would like to know what you're talking about specifically.

 

[JStone]

Land records at the time indicated arabs owned 90% of the land and wound up with 30%. Let's not forget, over 700,000 arabs were driven out due to jewish terrorism.

First, master grade school spelling: http://www.usmessageboard.com/5141405-post489.html

Wiki is for monkeys. Palestine is Israel.

After, have an adult with a functioning brain open a history book for you.

During the Ottoman Empire, 99% of the land was classified as "miri" land owned by the Sultanate. Land was leased to residents for cultivation but ultimately reverted back to the Sultanate.

Wealthy absentee Arab landlords who owned "mulk" land sold it to the Jews. Arab land sales to Jews is well-documented.

Your lesson for the day

Who was Irgun?

And why did Einstein call Begin a terrorist?

Who were the British military who established their miltary base in a civilian installation in violation of the law and making it a legitimate target?

 

[Billo_Really]

What tyranny? Israel is the ONLY nation in the entire Middle East with open and fair elections and that respects human rights and that includes the million or so Arabs who are Israeli citizens, allowed seats on the Knesset, and full citizenship rights. The only way Arabs are treated differently is that military service is not required for them because of the likelihood they would be in a position of fighting their own blood and kin. Still Arabs are allowed to serve in the military if they choose to do so.

Israel has not initiated any aggression against its neighbors, but they do whatever is necessary to keep the suicide bombers out, to retaliate against rockets fired into their residential neighborhoods, and in general protect their people as well as they can.

The land they have was controlled by the U.K. that gave it up, was designated by the U.N. and nobody was forced to leave the land who already lived there. It was mostly dry and barren desert until the Jews took over control of the area and now it blooms and thrives. But from Day 1 of the existence of Israel, their Arab neighbors have plotted or acted to drive them out.

What tyranny? They've been completely blockading Gaza for the last 2 years. Which is collectively punishing over 1.5 million people who've committed no crime. You don't think starving Gazan children ranks as tyranny?

And don't give me this democracy bullshit. The Knesset is busily enacting apartheid laws that make arabs second class citizens in their own country. They have these "jew only" roads; jew only settlements; and their minister of the interior has publically admitted to saying there should be segragation between the races.

How can you say Israel has not initiated any aggression when theyve occupied land in violation of international law for the last 50 years? Don't you hear all the crap their saying about Iran? That's not aggression?

And no, Palestine was not a baron wasteland. People were living there when the zionists showed up and took their homes with violence.

 

[Billo_Really]

Who were the British military who established their miltary base in a civilian installation in violation of the law and making it a legitimate target?

It is illegal for a terrorist group to target civilian infrastructure under any conditions.

 

[docmauser1]

Land records at the time indicated arabs owned 90% of the land ...

They didn't, of course, but they can drea-am!

... and wound up with 30%.

Which they don't own either, of course, so, they may declare themselves lucky jews are a humane bunch.

Let's not forget, over 700,000 arabs were driven out due to jewish terrorism.

It's a popular pc euphemism for "arab dreams of plundering and stuff gone bad", of course.

 

[JStone]

Who were the British military who established their miltary base in a civilian installation in violation of the law and making it a legitimate target?

It is illegal for a terrorist group to target civilian infrastructure under any conditions.

Your knowledge of the law of armed conflict and of history are as poor as your spelling: http://www.usmessageboard.com/5141405-post489.html

 

[Billo_Really]

It has nothing to do with immigration the reason for that is the war.

It was what happened after they immigrated, which started the violence. 80 years prior to that, there was no significant violence between the two groups.

It must be emphasized that the Zionists had no right to most of the land they declared as part of Israel, while the Arabs did. This war, therefore, was not, as is commonly asserted in mainstream commentary, an act of aggression by the Arab states against Israel. Rather, the Arabs were acting in defense of their rights, to prevent the Zionists from illegally and unjustly taking over Arab lands and otherwise disenfranchising the Arab population. The act of aggression was the Zionist leadership’s unilateral declaration of the existence of Israel, and the Zionists’ use of violence to enforce their aims both prior to and subsequent to that declaration.

In the course of the war that ensued, Israel implemented a policy of ethnic cleansing. 700,000 Arab Palestinians were either forced from their homes or fled out of fear of further massacres, such as had occurred in the village of Deir Yassin shortly before the Zionist declaration. These Palestinians have never been allowed to return to their homes and land, despite it being internationally recognized and encoded in international law that such refugees have an inherent “right of return”.

You can't move into an area and automatically have more rights than the people who were already living there. That doesn't make any sense. But it does make enemies.

There is no land records that show 90% of Arab ownership.I would very much like to see where you got this information from.
It's true that the Jews owned about 6 to 8% of the land, however there is no record about the reminder of the land some of the 92% belongs to the Arabs some belonged to absentee landlords in some belonged to the state( British mandate and the time ).

I think it would be wise to point out that the Jews lived on their 6 to 8% of the land until the war in 1948.


You seem to be surprised about the low percentage of the land that the Arabs got in the end of the war.

Before war broke out Palestinians Arabs rejected the UN partition plan and instead went to war against the Jews.

Well wars are like that there is always the possibility for failure. And when you initiate a war you must take into account that you may lose.

Arabs lost thus must face the consequence of the war they themselves initiated.

I'd say the "initiation" was more mutual than that.

land ownership statistics from 1945 showed that Arabs owned more land than Jews in every single district of Palestine, including Jaffa, where Arabs owned 47 percent of the land while Jews owned 39 percent – and Jaffa boasted the highest percentage of Jewish-owned land of any district. In other districts, Arabs owned an even larger portion of the land. At the extreme other end, for instance, in Ramallah, Arabs owned 99 percent of the land. In the whole of Palestine, Arabs owned 85 percent of the land, while Jews owned less than 7 percent, which remained the case up until the time of Israel’s creation.

 

[Billo_Really]

Your knowledge of the law of armed conflict and of history are as poor as your spelling: http://www.usmessageboard.com/5141405-post489.html

It doesn't take a scholar to know that terrorist groups have no legal standing when it comes to bombing hotels.

 

[Billo_Really]

Land records at the time indicated arabs owned 90% of the land ...

They didn't, of course, but they can drea-am!

... and wound up with 30%.

Which they don't own either, of course, so, they may declare themselves lucky jews are a humane bunch.

Let's not forget, over 700,000 arabs were driven out due to jewish terrorism.

It's a popular pc euphemism for "arab dreams of plundering and stuff gone bad", of course.

I notice you don't provide any evidence to back up your claims.

 

[Wolverine1984]

What tyranny? Israel is the ONLY nation in the entire Middle East with open and fair elections and that respects human rights and that includes the million or so Arabs who are Israeli citizens, allowed seats on the Knesset, and full citizenship rights. The only way Arabs are treated differently is that military service is not required for them because of the likelihood they would be in a position of fighting their own blood and kin. Still Arabs are allowed to serve in the military if they choose to do so.

Israel has not initiated any aggression against its neighbors, but they do whatever is necessary to keep the suicide bombers out, to retaliate against rockets fired into their residential neighborhoods, and in general protect their people as well as they can.

The land they have was controlled by the U.K. that gave it up, was designated by the U.N. and nobody was forced to leave the land who already lived there. It was mostly dry and barren desert until the Jews took over control of the area and now it blooms and thrives. But from Day 1 of the existence of Israel, their Arab neighbors have plotted or acted to drive them out.

What tyranny? They've been completely blockading Gaza for the last 2 years. Which is collectively punishing over 1.5 million people who've committed no crime. You don't think starving Gazan children ranks as tyranny?

And don't give me this democracy bullshit. The Knesset is busily enacting apartheid laws that make arabs second class citizens in their own country. They have these "jew only" roads; jew only settlements; and their minister of the interior has publically admitted to saying there should be segragation between the races.

How can you say Israel has not initiated any aggression when theyve occupied land in violation of international law for the last 50 years? Don't you hear all the crap their saying about Iran? That's not aggression?

And no, Palestine was not a baron wasteland. People were living there when the zionists showed up and took their homes with violence.

You are gravely mistaken.
Israel only prevents the smuggling of weapons inside the Gaza Strip all other provisions are allowed in.
So your statements about collectively punishing Gaza is totally wrong( unless it counts as punishing when you're not providing them with weapons ).

And don't give me this democracy bullshit. The Knesset is busily enacting apartheid laws that make arabs second class citizens in their own country. They have these "jew only" roads; jew only settlements; and their minister of the interior has publically admitted to saying there should be segragation between the races.

There is no such thing as a Jew only rode or Jew only settlement, there is however a distinction between citizen and not citizen like in any other country.
Like in any other country, citizens enjoying more rights then non-citizens.
An Arab citizen could drive on any road and live in any settlement he wishes.
Race is not the factor here, citizenship is.

 

[JStone]

Land records at the time indicated arabs owned 90% of the land ...

They didn't, of course, but they can drea-am!Which they don't own either, of course, so, they may declare themselves lucky jews are a humane bunch.

Let's not forget, over 700,000 arabs were driven out due to jewish terrorism.

It's a popular pc euphemism for "arab dreams of plundering and stuff gone bad", of course.

I notice you don't provide any evidence to back up your claims.

Your only solid evidence is that of being illiterate http://www.usmessageboard.com/5141405-post489.html

 

[Billo_Really]

Your only solid evidence is that of being illiterate http://www.usmessageboard.com/5141405-post489.html

The only thing you know about solid evidence is that you haven't got any.

 

[JStone]

Your only solid evidence is that of being illiterate http://www.usmessageboard.com/5141405-post489.html

The only thing you know about solid evidence is that you haven't got any.

Solid evidence for your lack of schooling http://www.usmessageboard.com/5141405-post489.html

 

[docmauser1]

It was what happened after they immigrated, which started the violence. 80 years prior to that, there was no significant violence between the two groups.

Cool! We know now that "immigration" is an arab agitprop bullshit excuse, and jews have been victims of arab violence all along!

 

[Billo_Really]

You are gravely mistaken.
Israel only prevents the smuggling of weapons inside the Gaza Strip all other provisions are allowed in.
So your statements about collectively punishing Gaza is totally wrong( unless it counts as punishing when you're not providing them with weapons ).

Why can't Gaza have weapons? Are you saying they have no right to defend themselves from aggression? When they are invaded by a foreign army, they're not allowed to shoot back?

While you're thinking about that, here's what Physician's for Human Rights have to say about the condition in Gaza (caused by the blockade)...

Currently 61% of the population in the Gaza Strip, or 973,600 people, suffer from a lack of food security, defined by the United Nations World Food Programme (WFP) as “the absence of access to sufficient, safe and nutritious food to meet their dietary needs and food preferences for an active and healthy life.” Among this population, 94% of the households report a decline in the quality of food purchased over the past year, while 59% report a decline in the amount of food consumed. Dependence on humanitarian aid from the international organizations is also constantly on the rise; Currently, 71 percent of Gaza households rely in some capacity on international humanitarian aid.

The report attributes high rates of food insecurity to an increase in unemployment and poverty rates, which have gone up by more than 40% in the past three years, as a result of the precarious situation facing Gaza's economy, which is paralyzed by Israeli controls.

This whole "how can you blame Israel" crap really gets old. Israel is doing some very bad things and nobody seems to have the balls to admit it.