Israel has the most moral army in the world

See post #130 or type in "IDF beating civillians" to You-Tube, I got 39,200 reesults. Yes, some incidents might be staged or provoked, but the IDF is supposed to be a highly disciplined, well trained, well led force. Actions such as these, reflect poorly on the IDF's self proclaimed "moral stance"

The moral requirement is to subdue a hostile enemy using the least amount of force necessary. In the field, you can't measure out force in teaspoons and then stop to see if it worked. Addressing violence with law enforcement is a nasty business and it requires context.

The use of batons or the body to subdue a threat or potential threat are less harmful than using, say, live ammunition or even rubber bullets or tear gas. Those are the methods of choice for the vast majority of LEO's (the US actually being the exception -- you guys do like your guns).

The video, clearly a propaganda film, rather than intended to convey facts, does not give us the context of any of the encounters -- the potential threat of the individual or of the situation -- except to say that the events occurred during one of the intifada. Which at the very least indicates that these were not attempts to subdue "civilians" but threats.

Which is NOT to say there are not instances of immoral behaviour by IDF soldiers. There very well may be. The measure of a moral army, in part, would include disciplinary action for those instances.
 
Purity of Arms:

The IDF serviceman will use force of arms only for the purpose of subduing the enemy to the necessary extent and will limit his use of force so as to prevent unnecessary harm to human life and limb, dignity and property.

The IDF servicemen's purity of arms is their self-control in use of armed force. They will use their arms only for the purpose of achieving their mission, without inflicting unnecessary injury to human life or limb; dignity or property, of both soldiers and civilians, with special consideration for the defenseless, whether in wartime, or during routine security operations, or in the absence of combat, or times of peace. Ruach Tzahal - IDF Code of Ethics | Jewish Virtual Library


Thanks, Challenger. I agree with you that is the code of a very moral army.

A code the IDF fails miserably to live up to.
 
See post #130 or type in "IDF beating civillians" to You-Tube, I got 39,200 reesults. Yes, some incidents might be staged or provoked, but the IDF is supposed to be a highly disciplined, well trained, well led force. Actions such as these, reflect poorly on the IDF's self proclaimed "moral stance"

The moral requirement is to subdue a hostile enemy using the least amount of force necessary. In the field, you can't measure out force in teaspoons and then stop to see if it worked. Addressing violence with law enforcement is a nasty business and it requires context.

The use of batons or the body to subdue a threat or potential threat are less harmful than using, say, live ammunition or even rubber bullets or tear gas. Those are the methods of choice for the vast majority of LEO's (the US actually being the exception -- you guys do like your guns).

The video, clearly a propaganda film, rather than intended to convey facts, does not give us the context of any of the encounters -- the potential threat of the individual or of the situation -- except to say that the events occurred during one of the intifada. Which at the very least indicates that these were not attempts to subdue "civilians" but threats.

Which is NOT to say there are not instances of immoral behaviour by IDF soldiers. There very well may be. The measure of a moral army, in part, would include disciplinary action for those instances.

If an army is capable of this:



There can be no justification to do this

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...at least by a "moral" Army.
 
Purity of Arms:

The IDF serviceman will use force of arms only for the purpose of subduing the enemy to the necessary extent and will limit his use of force so as to prevent unnecessary harm to human life and limb, dignity and property.

The IDF servicemen's purity of arms is their self-control in use of armed force. They will use their arms only for the purpose of achieving their mission, without inflicting unnecessary injury to human life or limb; dignity or property, of both soldiers and civilians, with special consideration for the defenseless, whether in wartime, or during routine security operations, or in the absence of combat, or times of peace. Ruach Tzahal - IDF Code of Ethics | Jewish Virtual Library


Thanks, Challenger. I agree with you that is the code of a very moral army.

A code the IDF fails miserably to live up to.







So says rat boy because his handler told him to say it
 
See post #130 or type in "IDF beating civillians" to You-Tube, I got 39,200 reesults. Yes, some incidents might be staged or provoked, but the IDF is supposed to be a highly disciplined, well trained, well led force. Actions such as these, reflect poorly on the IDF's self proclaimed "moral stance"

The moral requirement is to subdue a hostile enemy using the least amount of force necessary. In the field, you can't measure out force in teaspoons and then stop to see if it worked. Addressing violence with law enforcement is a nasty business and it requires context.

The use of batons or the body to subdue a threat or potential threat are less harmful than using, say, live ammunition or even rubber bullets or tear gas. Those are the methods of choice for the vast majority of LEO's (the US actually being the exception -- you guys do like your guns).

The video, clearly a propaganda film, rather than intended to convey facts, does not give us the context of any of the encounters -- the potential threat of the individual or of the situation -- except to say that the events occurred during one of the intifada. Which at the very least indicates that these were not attempts to subdue "civilians" but threats.

Which is NOT to say there are not instances of immoral behaviour by IDF soldiers. There very well may be. The measure of a moral army, in part, would include disciplinary action for those instances.

If an army is capable of this:



There can be no justification to do this

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gaza.jpg

gaza_destroyed_moh_abed_vacy.jpg

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...at least by a "moral" Army.







If hamas had not breached the Geneva conventions and broke International laws by engaging in war from those areas then the Israeli's would not have needed to bomb them to destroy the illegal rocket launchers. But you fail to see that the Palestinians brought all this on themselves by supporting hamas.

A less moral army would not have stopped at this they would have carried on until not a stone was left standing, the fired chemical weapons at the ruins to kill of the rest of the survivors. Just look at what is happening in Syria
 
You ******* turd, you're complaining about bombing a house? How about a whole ******* neghborhood or city? Never seen you or your c-nt friends here complain about this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/06/o...-isis-are-the-greatest-threat-to-syrians.html

"As the self-proclaimed Islamic State, or ISIS, commits horrendous videotaped executions, it might seem to pose the greatest threat to Syrian civilians. In fact, that ignoble distinction belongs to the barrel bombs being dropped by the military of Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad. The Islamic State has distracted us from this deadly reality.

Barrel bombs are improvised weapons: oil drums or similar canisters filled with explosives and metal fragments. They are dropped without guidance from helicopters hovering just above antiaircraft range, typically hitting the ground with huge explosions and the widespread diffusion of deadly shrapnel. They pulverize neighborhoods, destroy entire buildings and leave broad strips of death and destruction.

The Syrian military has dropped barrel bombs, sometimes dozens in one day, on opposition-held neighborhoods in Aleppo, Idlib, Dara’a and other cities and towns. They have pulverized markets, schools, hospitals and countless residences. Syrians have described to me the sheer terror of waiting the 30 seconds or so for the barrel bomb to tumble to earth from a helicopter hovering overhead, not knowing until near the very end where its deadly point of impact will be.

From the start of the war, the Assad government has pursued a murderous policy toward Syrian citizens who happen to live in areas that have been seized by opposition armed groups. The apparent aim is to kill and terrorize civilians (and destroy civilian structures) so as to drive civilians from opposition-held areas and to send a warning of the misery that attends anyone whose neighborhood is taken by opposition groups. Mr. Assad is thus pursuing the “total war” strategy that the Geneva Conventions and the laws of war flatly prohibit and criminalize."
This thread is not about the Syrian army, so why the **** is this post allowed to remain?
 
You ******* turd, you're complaining about bombing a house? How about a whole ******* neghborhood or city? Never seen you or your c-nt friends here complain about this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/06/o...-isis-are-the-greatest-threat-to-syrians.html

"As the self-proclaimed Islamic State, or ISIS, commits horrendous videotaped executions, it might seem to pose the greatest threat to Syrian civilians. In fact, that ignoble distinction belongs to the barrel bombs being dropped by the military of Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad. The Islamic State has distracted us from this deadly reality.

Barrel bombs are improvised weapons: oil drums or similar canisters filled with explosives and metal fragments. They are dropped without guidance from helicopters hovering just above antiaircraft range, typically hitting the ground with huge explosions and the widespread diffusion of deadly shrapnel. They pulverize neighborhoods, destroy entire buildings and leave broad strips of death and destruction.

The Syrian military has dropped barrel bombs, sometimes dozens in one day, on opposition-held neighborhoods in Aleppo, Idlib, Dara’a and other cities and towns. They have pulverized markets, schools, hospitals and countless residences. Syrians have described to me the sheer terror of waiting the 30 seconds or so for the barrel bomb to tumble to earth from a helicopter hovering overhead, not knowing until near the very end where its deadly point of impact will be.

From the start of the war, the Assad government has pursued a murderous policy toward Syrian citizens who happen to live in areas that have been seized by opposition armed groups. The apparent aim is to kill and terrorize civilians (and destroy civilian structures) so as to drive civilians from opposition-held areas and to send a warning of the misery that attends anyone whose neighborhood is taken by opposition groups. Mr. Assad is thus pursuing the “total war” strategy that the Geneva Conventions and the laws of war flatly prohibit and criminalize."
This thread is not about the Syrian army, so why the **** is this post allowed to remain?



This thread is about COMPARING Israel's army to other armies in the world.
 
You ******* turd, you're complaining about bombing a house? How about a whole ******* neghborhood or city? Never seen you or your c-nt friends here complain about this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/06/o...-isis-are-the-greatest-threat-to-syrians.html

"As the self-proclaimed Islamic State, or ISIS, commits horrendous videotaped executions, it might seem to pose the greatest threat to Syrian civilians. In fact, that ignoble distinction belongs to the barrel bombs being dropped by the military of Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad. The Islamic State has distracted us from this deadly reality.

Barrel bombs are improvised weapons: oil drums or similar canisters filled with explosives and metal fragments. They are dropped without guidance from helicopters hovering just above antiaircraft range, typically hitting the ground with huge explosions and the widespread diffusion of deadly shrapnel. They pulverize neighborhoods, destroy entire buildings and leave broad strips of death and destruction.

The Syrian military has dropped barrel bombs, sometimes dozens in one day, on opposition-held neighborhoods in Aleppo, Idlib, Dara’a and other cities and towns. They have pulverized markets, schools, hospitals and countless residences. Syrians have described to me the sheer terror of waiting the 30 seconds or so for the barrel bomb to tumble to earth from a helicopter hovering overhead, not knowing until near the very end where its deadly point of impact will be.

From the start of the war, the Assad government has pursued a murderous policy toward Syrian citizens who happen to live in areas that have been seized by opposition armed groups. The apparent aim is to kill and terrorize civilians (and destroy civilian structures) so as to drive civilians from opposition-held areas and to send a warning of the misery that attends anyone whose neighborhood is taken by opposition groups. Mr. Assad is thus pursuing the “total war” strategy that the Geneva Conventions and the laws of war flatly prohibit and criminalize."
This thread is not about the Syrian army, so why the **** is this post allowed to remain?



This thread is about COMPARING Israel's army to other armies in the world.

Hmmm...................a comparison eh? Just out of curiosity, what standing army of an actual country (ISIL and terrorist organizations not allowed), do you think is the LEAST moral, as compared to the IDF?
 
In Israel, you have 18-year-old kids, just coming out of high-school, suddenly having to become men and women overnight. Many are put into positions of power and authority almost immediately, not to mention life-and-death situations. I had a 19-year-old cousin who was killed in a military exercise by "friendly fire". It was a big blow to my family. Another 18-year-old cousin (at the time) drove his tank accidentally into an Arab house. So 18 and 19-year-old kids are in authority over people who are all ages. It's just not a good situation to be in.
 
In Israel, you have 18-year-old kids, just coming out of high-school, suddenly having to become men and women overnight. Many are put into positions of power and authority almost immediately, not to mention life-and-death situations. I had a 19-year-old cousin who was killed in a military exercise by "friendly fire". It was a big blow to my family. Another 18-year-old cousin (at the time) drove his tank accidentally into an Arab house. So 18 and 19-year-old kids are in authority over people who are all ages. It's just not a good situation to be in.

How is that different from the kids in America that enlist in the Delayed Entry Program at 17, ship off for boot camp at 18, and are in a war zone 9 months later?
 
In Israel, you have 18-year-old kids, just coming out of high-school, suddenly having to become men and women overnight. Many are put into positions of power and authority almost immediately, not to mention life-and-death situations. I had a 19-year-old cousin who was killed in a military exercise by "friendly fire". It was a big blow to my family. Another 18-year-old cousin (at the time) drove his tank accidentally into an Arab house. So 18 and 19-year-old kids are in authority over people who are all ages. It's just not a good situation to be in.

How is that different from the kids in America that enlist in the Delayed Entry Program at 17, ship off for boot camp at 18, and are in a war zone 9 months later?

Not much different. Except that America has a volunteer army, and doesn't rule over a hostile population.
 
In Israel, you have 18-year-old kids, just coming out of high-school, suddenly having to become men and women overnight. Many are put into positions of power and authority almost immediately, not to mention life-and-death situations. I had a 19-year-old cousin who was killed in a military exercise by "friendly fire". It was a big blow to my family. Another 18-year-old cousin (at the time) drove his tank accidentally into an Arab house. So 18 and 19-year-old kids are in authority over people who are all ages. It's just not a good situation to be in.

The same applies to every army on the planet. The average age of infantry recruits in the British army was 22.1 in 2012, which has risen since 2000 when it was 18.36 years of age, field officers who lead them are on average 23 years old. The age of soldiers is by and large irrelevant, it's the training they receive beforehand that makes the difference between professionals and thugs in uniform.
 
You ******* turd, you're complaining about bombing a house? How about a whole ******* neghborhood or city? Never seen you or your c-nt friends here complain about this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/06/o...-isis-are-the-greatest-threat-to-syrians.html

"As the self-proclaimed Islamic State, or ISIS, commits horrendous videotaped executions, it might seem to pose the greatest threat to Syrian civilians. In fact, that ignoble distinction belongs to the barrel bombs being dropped by the military of Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad. The Islamic State has distracted us from this deadly reality.

Barrel bombs are improvised weapons: oil drums or similar canisters filled with explosives and metal fragments. They are dropped without guidance from helicopters hovering just above antiaircraft range, typically hitting the ground with huge explosions and the widespread diffusion of deadly shrapnel. They pulverize neighborhoods, destroy entire buildings and leave broad strips of death and destruction.

The Syrian military has dropped barrel bombs, sometimes dozens in one day, on opposition-held neighborhoods in Aleppo, Idlib, Dara’a and other cities and towns. They have pulverized markets, schools, hospitals and countless residences. Syrians have described to me the sheer terror of waiting the 30 seconds or so for the barrel bomb to tumble to earth from a helicopter hovering overhead, not knowing until near the very end where its deadly point of impact will be.

From the start of the war, the Assad government has pursued a murderous policy toward Syrian citizens who happen to live in areas that have been seized by opposition armed groups. The apparent aim is to kill and terrorize civilians (and destroy civilian structures) so as to drive civilians from opposition-held areas and to send a warning of the misery that attends anyone whose neighborhood is taken by opposition groups. Mr. Assad is thus pursuing the “total war” strategy that the Geneva Conventions and the laws of war flatly prohibit and criminalize."
This thread is not about the Syrian army, so why the **** is this post allowed to remain?






Because it is a comparison of two neighbouring armies, which is why you want it removing.
 
You ******* turd, you're complaining about bombing a house? How about a whole ******* neghborhood or city? Never seen you or your c-nt friends here complain about this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/06/o...-isis-are-the-greatest-threat-to-syrians.html

"As the self-proclaimed Islamic State, or ISIS, commits horrendous videotaped executions, it might seem to pose the greatest threat to Syrian civilians. In fact, that ignoble distinction belongs to the barrel bombs being dropped by the military of Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad. The Islamic State has distracted us from this deadly reality.

Barrel bombs are improvised weapons: oil drums or similar canisters filled with explosives and metal fragments. They are dropped without guidance from helicopters hovering just above antiaircraft range, typically hitting the ground with huge explosions and the widespread diffusion of deadly shrapnel. They pulverize neighborhoods, destroy entire buildings and leave broad strips of death and destruction.

The Syrian military has dropped barrel bombs, sometimes dozens in one day, on opposition-held neighborhoods in Aleppo, Idlib, Dara’a and other cities and towns. They have pulverized markets, schools, hospitals and countless residences. Syrians have described to me the sheer terror of waiting the 30 seconds or so for the barrel bomb to tumble to earth from a helicopter hovering overhead, not knowing until near the very end where its deadly point of impact will be.

From the start of the war, the Assad government has pursued a murderous policy toward Syrian citizens who happen to live in areas that have been seized by opposition armed groups. The apparent aim is to kill and terrorize civilians (and destroy civilian structures) so as to drive civilians from opposition-held areas and to send a warning of the misery that attends anyone whose neighborhood is taken by opposition groups. Mr. Assad is thus pursuing the “total war” strategy that the Geneva Conventions and the laws of war flatly prohibit and criminalize."
This thread is not about the Syrian army, so why the **** is this post allowed to remain?



This thread is about COMPARING Israel's army to other armies in the world.

Hmmm...................a comparison eh? Just out of curiosity, what standing army of an actual country (ISIL and terrorist organizations not allowed), do you think is the LEAST moral, as compared to the IDF?






I would say Pakistan, Syria, Saudi, Egypt, Iran, for starters, then go to Africa for the nations there for more examples of immoral armies.
 
Challenger, et al,

There really isn't a universally adopted set of ethics or values for military personnel. Oh, there will be some similarities, but not the exact same concepts. In a 2007 submission to Parameters (US Army War College Quarterly Senior Professional Journal) Professor Paul Robinson, Public and International Affairs at the University of Ottawa, noted that:

• The United States Army lists its “Army Values” as:

 Loyalty
 Duty
 Respect
 Selfless Service
 Honor
 Integrity
 Personal Courage

• By contrast, the “Core Values” of the British Army are:

 Selfless Commitment
 Courage
 Discipline
 Integrity
 Loyalty
 Respect for Others

• While those of the Canadian Forces are:

 Duty
 Loyalty
 Integrity
 Courage

Again, they are similar, by with striking differences.

In Israel, you have 18-year-old kids, just coming out of high-school, suddenly having to become men and women overnight. Many are put into positions of power and authority almost immediately, not to mention life-and-death situations. I had a 19-year-old cousin who was killed in a military exercise by "friendly fire". It was a big blow to my family. Another 18-year-old cousin (at the time) drove his tank accidentally into an Arab house. So 18 and 19-year-old kids are in authority over people who are all ages. It's just not a good situation to be in.

The same applies to every army on the planet. The average age of infantry recruits in the British army was 22.1 in 2012, which has risen since 2000 when it was 18.36 years of age, field officers who lead them are on average 23 years old. The age of soldiers is by and large irrelevant, it's the training they receive beforehand that makes the difference between professionals and thugs in uniform.
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It is interesting to note that Professor Asa Kasher, Tel Aviv University and at Shalem College, Israel, who authored the Code of Ethics adopted by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), made the argument that in the last several decades, the Western Patterned Armed Forces use the necessity for humanitarian intervention and peacekeeping operations as the justification for conflict entry. Indeed, most of the Rules pertaining to Armed Conflict are in the category of Customary and International Humanitarian Law (IHL). These two main factors, Professor Kasher argues, demonstrates the need to expands military training beyond mere military ethics; but to embrace both military and law enforcement ethics which are noticeably different from the ethics applied in 20th Century Warfare.

By coincidence, LTC Ralph Peters, US Army DCSINT, also made a submission to Parameters (1994)(The New Warrior Class), about a decade earlier, noting the difference between "soldiers" and "warriors:" Warriors are “erratic primitives of shifting allegiance, habituated to violence, with no stake in civil order. Unlike soldiers, warriors do not play by our rules, do not respect them, and do not obey orders they do not like.
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This is important because of the emphasis the Army placed on the "warrior;" and the impact it has on the rest of the nation. And in this regard, I would like to bring to your attention of the problem, which was emerging in the 1990's --- but is prevalent today:

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IC21 THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY IN THE 21ST CENTURY - STAFF STUDY PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE

FIRST:

A growing concern about the concept of "sensor-to-shooter" was also expressed. Although some types of information need to be sent directly to a weapons system, inundating and overwhelming the "warrior" is a decided possibility. Some saw the eventual solution to this data overload problem in enhancing the capabilities and responsibilities of the JICs and JACs for data/analysis fusion. Others were still concerned that the prospect of​
turning the "warrior" into an analyst, and, thus, reducing his operational effectiveness, were real and not necessarily good.

SECOND:

From implementation of Nunn-Lugar programs to promote Russian defense conversion to the deployment of troops into Bosnia to implement the Dayton Agreement, the DoD is the active arm of policy development and implementation. In part, this is due to changes in the stability of many regions and relationships that tend to involve armed entities and are a byproduct of a less polarized but more unstable world. For this reason, it is easy to see why much of the emphasis within the IC on SMO and "support to the warfighter" currently carries the day in terms of resource priority and focus. However, although DoD may be the active arm of many of the Nation's policy initiatives today, most if not all of these initiatives began with some level of diplomatic effort, calling into question whether "support to the diplomat" might be a more critical pursuit.
FINALLY:

"Support to the warfighter" is the area of main interest for DoD and the IC at present, and tends to be used interchangeably or as synonymous with SMO. The use of the term "support to the warfighter" is extremely problematic. It is misused to self-justify programs and budgets, and misunderstood, or defined so broadly as to encompass everything that the military does. It is also self-limiting, in that it promotes the immediate needs of a soldier, sailor, airman, marine or weapons system, making intelligence only a reactive function rather than a predictive one -- at a time when predictive analysis is becoming increasingly significant for the military commander as well as the policy maker. Moreover, the term suggests that the primary focus of intelligence should be on the actual need to use force (i.e., "fight a war"), when we continue to believe that successful foreign and national security policy is designed to preclude such an event if at all possible. This is not to say that the IC and the military should not prepare for military conflict. But this cannot be the sole focus, to the detriment of diplomacy, deterrence and force preponderance -- all of which also require IC support.


Today, nearly all the westernized Armed Forces have made the turn from "warrior" to the "warfighter" (Professionals Soldier). But in doing so, they have become overwhelmed with the Customary IHL and the Priority Targeting as an effective combat operator.
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One of the striking difference between the IDF and the Arab Palestinians is that it does not have the ability to recognize its history or its own character for what it is.

Most Respectfully,
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Today, nearly all the westernized Armed Forces have made the turn from "warrior" to the "warfighter" (Professionals Soldier). But in doing so, they have become overwhelmed with the Customary IHL and the Priority Targeting as an effective combat operator.
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One of the striking difference between the IDF and the Arab Palestinians is that it does not have the ability to recognize its history or its own character for what it is.

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The part quoted is pure Hasbara B.S.

The IDF has a history of plunder and looting (Spoils) both in 1948, 1967, and the Lebanon wars
A basic tennet of Islam is (Sacrifice) for the people/religion.
Discipline? Often hard to tell the IDF and the Islamic Resistance apart, equally good and equally bad depending on the unit and circumstances at the time.
IDF provokes violence, so it can "retaliate" to "restore Law and Order" as it was originally taught to do by Orde Wingate. The Islamic Resistance's violence is mainly reactive.
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I've always liked this cartoon. The superficial meme we are meant to take from this is that the IDF protects it's civillians, while the Islamic Resistance hides behind it's civillians. The reality however, is that although the Islamic Resistance might hit civillians using wildly inaccurate and unreliable weapons, it's main focus is killing the IDF, whereas the IDF is quite prepared to kill 100 civilians in order to kill 1 resistance fighter. As I've said before, if you have the capability to conduct precision strikes, there can be no justification to obliterate whole neighbourhoods.
 
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Israel regularly bombs family homes knowingly and willingly killing entire families.

Israel also regularly destroys shelter and livelihood of Palestinians.
 
Israel regularly bombs family homes knowingly and willingly killing entire families.

Israel also regularly destroys shelter and livelihood of Palestinians.

Palestinians regularly fire unguided rockets into Israel as a form of terrorism.
 
Israel regularly bombs family homes knowingly and willingly killing entire families.

Israel also regularly destroys shelter and livelihood of Palestinians.

Palestinians regularly fire unguided rockets into Israel as a form of terrorism.

More often than not as a form of retaliation. Had the French Resistance found a way to fire unguided rockets into Nazi Germany, would you have called them "terrorists" or "inventive"?
 
• By contrast, the “Core Values” of the British Army are:

 Selfless Commitment
 Courage
 Discipline
 Integrity
 Loyalty
 Respect for Others

I was surprised by this, as when I served we were taught none of this. Apparently these came in in 2008. In my day it was loyalty to the regiment and don't let your mates down, never volunteer and don't get caught.
 
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