Israel has a right to defend themselves

[Lisa558]

That is a blatant, vicious big fat LIE.

Unlike some here, I oppose the killing of ALL innocent people. Jewish or non-Jewish.

I have made that crystal clear a number of times. So either you are so dense, illogical, binary-minded and emotional that you can't understand how people can be opposed to the death and killing of innocents on BOTH sides....... OR, you are just blatantly dishonest, in your constant attempts to smear anyone who doesn't 100% march in lockstep with your pro-war MSM view. Either way, it's disgusting how you constantly misrepresent the position of others, especially in such a blatantly dishonest hateful way.

And are you able to distinguish between the following:

1) Muslims who go house to house, looking for every innocent Jew they can find, and then tie kids together and set them on fire and lop off infants’ heads, and gouge a boy’s eyes out and then chop his head off with a shovel while forcing Mama to watch before torturing her to death as well, and cutting a fetus out of its mother’s womb and decapitating it while the mother bled out in agony, and….

2) Jews, who after enduring this evil, warn Muslims to leave GAZA so that civilian deaths are minimized.

If you can’t see the difference, then you are either stupid or antisemitic.

 

[buttercup]

And are you able to distinguish between the following:

1) Muslims who go house to house, looking for every innocent Jew they can find, and then tie kids together and set them on fire and lop off infants’ heads, and gouge a boy’s eyes out and then chop his head off with a shovel while forcing Mama to watch before torturing her to death as well, and cutting a fetus out of its mother’s womb and decapitating it while the mother bled out in agony, and….

2) Jews, who after enduring this evil, warn Muslims to leave GAZA so that civilian deaths are minimized.

If you can’t see the difference, then you are either stupid or antisemitic.

I absolutely agree with you that the terrorists who committed those heinous atrocities against innocent Israelis need to be found and eliminated.

However, in regard to the people warned to leave Gaza, I have heard a different story from multiple sources. I heard that the people heeded those warnings and then they were bombed anyway, in the very places where they were told to go. Now, before you flip out and call me a Jew hater, I am not saying that I automatically believe that, but I also don't automatically believe whatever the TV says. There is conflicting info about the people warned to leave. And I care about getting to the actual truth.

 

[Lisa558]

I absolutely agree with you that the terrorists who committed those heinous atrocities against innocent Israelis need to be found and eliminated.

However, in regard to the people warned to leave Gaza, I have heard a different story from multiple sources. I heard that the people heeded those warnings and then they were bombed anyway, in the very places where they were told to go. Now, before you flip out and call me a Jew hater, I am not saying that I automatically believe that, but I also don't automatically believe whatever the TV says. There is conflicting info about the people warned to leave. And I care about getting to the actual truth.

What sites did you hear that from? Remember, the Palestinians Are waging a big propaganda campaign. Remember the hospital they said Israel bombed?

What is happening is that HAMAS is not allowing their people to leave. They want the casualty rate as high as possible to get the world to turn against Israel.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Absolutely untrue. 2/3 of Gaza residents are AGAINST what Hamas has done

They should overthrow them.

 

[Lisa558]

They should overthrow them.

Why don’t they? Are we to believe that 1 million Palestinians can’t keep 15,000 HAMAS terrorists out?

 

[Lesh]

They should overthrow them.

Easier said than done. They ARE brutal killers ya know

 

[$mith]

After the better part of two millennia of Diaspora and slaughter the Jews have finally returned to the Holy Land.

Maybe they should have gone back to UR - Mesopotamia (present day Iraq), which is where Abraham and his tribe lived till a “visitation” from God telling him to take his tribe and go westward to the “Promised Land”.

Land that the Romans stole from them. Land that the Muslims stole from the Romans (Byzantines). The world turns.

Your timeline is WAY OFF but thanks for giving me the opportunity to post below about Palestine, the region.

Palestine (region) - Wikipedia

The region was among the earliest in the world to see human habitation, agricultural communities and civilization. During the Bronze Age, independent Canaanite city-states were established, and were influenced by the surrounding civilizations of ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia, Phoenicia, Minoan Crete, and Syria. Between 1550 and 1400 BCE, the Canaanite cities became vassals to the Egyptian New Kingdom who held power until the 1178 BCE Battle of Djahy (Canaan) during the wider Bronze Age collapse. The Israelites emerged from a dramatic social transformation that took place in the people of the central hill country of Canaan around 1200 BCE, with no signs of violent invasion or even of peaceful infiltration of a clearly defined ethnic group from elsewhere. During the Iron Age, the Israelites established two related kingdoms, Israel and Judah. The Kingdom of Israel emerged as an important local power by the 10th century BCE before falling to the Neo-Assyrian Empire in 722 BCE. Israel's southern neighbour, the Kingdom of Judah, emerged in the 8th or 9th century BCE and later became a client state of first the Neo-Assyrian and then the Neo-Babylonian Empire before a revolt against the latter led to its destruction in 586 BCE. The region became part of the Neo-Assyrian Empire from c. 740 BCE, which was itself replaced by the Neo-Babylonian Empire in c. 627 BCE.

In 587/6 BCE, Jerusalem was besieged and destroyed by the second Babylonian king, Nebuchadnezzar II, who subsequently exiled the Judeans to Babylon. The Kingdom of Judah was then annexed as a Babylonian province. The Philistines were also exiled. The defeat of Judah was recorded by the Babylonians

There is no such thing as a country called "Palestine"... never has been... never will be.

There is no such thing as a "Palestinian" people... they are a conglomeration of diverse tribal fragments of varied tenure.

But there was, and there is a region called Palestine. Therefore it stands to reason that the inhabitants of said region would be called Palestinians.

The first written records referring to Palestine emerged in the 12th-century BCE Twentieth Dynasty of Egypt, which used the term Peleset for the neighboring people or land. In the 8th century BCE, the Assyrians referred to the region as Palashtu or Pilistu. In the Hellenistic period, these names were carried over into Greek, appearing in the Histories of Herodotus as Palaistine. In 6 CE, the Roman Empire established a province over the area known as Judaea, then in 132 CE (the time of the Bar Kokhba revolt) formed it into Syria Palaestina.[1] In 390, during the Byzantine period, the region was split into the provinces of Palaestina Prima, Palaestina Secunda, and Palaestina Tertia. Following the Muslim conquest of the Levant in the 630s, the military district of Jund Filastin was established. While Palestine's boundaries have changed throughout history, it has generally comprised the southern portion of regions such as Syria or the Levant. It also conceptually overlaps with several terms of Judeo-Christian tradition, including Canaan, the Promised Land, the Land of Israel, and the Holy Land.

They had a chance to create a peaceful coexistence with the Jews in the 1947-1948 timeframe but chose bloodshed instead.

There have been Jews in the Palestine region for the last 3000 years - with the lowest (estimated) number being 2,000 Jews in the 1600s. At the same time, other people lived there too, and these people made up the majority of the population for the last 1500 years. For these people, Palestine IS their homeland.

Demographic history of Palestine (region) - Wikipedia


With the creation of the Zionist movement and the push for a Jewish homeland, the number of Jews in Palestine started to increase in the late 1800s. Diaspora Jews were moving to Palestine, buying up land creating Jewish towns.

By 1947 Jews controlled 6% of Palestinian land with the rest controlled by Arab/Muslim Palestinians. After the creation of Israel in 1948, Jews controlled 78% of the land and by 1967 they controlled 100% of it.

Population in Palestine in 1947: 1,181,000 Muslims, 630,000 Jews and 143,000 Christians. The Muslim population was almost double that of the Jews & they also controlled more than 90% of the land.

The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine allocated 56% of the land for the Jewish state, without any compensation to those who would be displaced, losing their homes and lands.

Yeah, I can see why you think the Palestinians should have agreed to the UN Partition Plan - it was such a GREAT deal for them!!!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Maybe they should have gone back to UR - Mesopotamia (present day Iraq), which is where Abraham and his tribe lived till a “visitation” from God telling him to take his tribe and go westward to the “Promised Land”.

Your timeline is WAY OFF but thanks for giving me the opportunity to post below about Palestine, the region.

Palestine (region) - Wikipedia

The region was among the earliest in the world to see human habitation, agricultural communities and civilization. During the Bronze Age, independent Canaanite city-states were established, and were influenced by the surrounding civilizations of ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia, Phoenicia, Minoan Crete, and Syria. Between 1550 and 1400 BCE, the Canaanite cities became vassals to the Egyptian New Kingdom who held power until the 1178 BCE Battle of Djahy (Canaan) during the wider Bronze Age collapse. The Israelites emerged from a dramatic social transformation that took place in the people of the central hill country of Canaan around 1200 BCE, with no signs of violent invasion or even of peaceful infiltration of a clearly defined ethnic group from elsewhere. During the Iron Age, the Israelites established two related kingdoms, Israel and Judah. The Kingdom of Israel emerged as an important local power by the 10th century BCE before falling to the Neo-Assyrian Empire in 722 BCE. Israel's southern neighbour, the Kingdom of Judah, emerged in the 8th or 9th century BCE and later became a client state of first the Neo-Assyrian and then the Neo-Babylonian Empire before a revolt against the latter led to its destruction in 586 BCE. The region became part of the Neo-Assyrian Empire from c. 740 BCE, which was itself replaced by the Neo-Babylonian Empire in c. 627 BCE.

In 587/6 BCE, Jerusalem was besieged and destroyed by the second Babylonian king, Nebuchadnezzar II, who subsequently exiled the Judeans to Babylon. The Kingdom of Judah was then annexed as a Babylonian province. The Philistines were also exiled. The defeat of Judah was recorded by the Babylonians


But there was, and there is a region called Palestine. Therefore it stands to reason that the inhabitants of said region would be called Palestinians.

The first written records referring to Palestine emerged in the 12th-century BCE Twentieth Dynasty of Egypt, which used the term Peleset for the neighboring people or land. In the 8th century BCE, the Assyrians referred to the region as Palashtu or Pilistu. In the Hellenistic period, these names were carried over into Greek, appearing in the Histories of Herodotus as Palaistine. In 6 CE, the Roman Empire established a province over the area known as Judaea, then in 132 CE (the time of the Bar Kokhba revolt) formed it into Syria Palaestina.[1] In 390, during the Byzantine period, the region was split into the provinces of Palaestina Prima, Palaestina Secunda, and Palaestina Tertia. Following the Muslim conquest of the Levant in the 630s, the military district of Jund Filastin was established. While Palestine's boundaries have changed throughout history, it has generally comprised the southern portion of regions such as Syria or the Levant. It also conceptually overlaps with several terms of Judeo-Christian tradition, including Canaan, the Promised Land, the Land of Israel, and the Holy Land.

There have been Jews in the Palestine region for the last 3000 years - with the lowest (estimated) number being 2,000 Jews in the 1600s. At the same time, other people lived there too, and these people made up the majority of the population for the last 1500 years. For these people, Palestine IS their homeland.

Demographic history of Palestine (region) - Wikipedia


With the creation of the Zionist movement and the push for a Jewish homeland, the number of Jews in Palestine started to increase in the late 1800s. Diaspora Jews were moving to Palestine, buying up land creating Jewish towns.

By 1947 Jews controlled 6% of Palestinian land with the rest controlled by Arab/Muslim Palestinians. After the creation of Israel in 1948, Jews controlled 78% of the land and by 1967 they controlled 100% of it.

Population in Palestine in 1947: 1,181,000 Muslims, 630,000 Jews and 143,000 Christians. The Muslim population was almost double that of the Jews & they also controlled more than 90% of the land.

The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine allocated 56% of the land for the Jewish state, without any compensation to those who would be displaced, losing their homes and lands.

Yeah, I can see why you think the Palestinians should have agreed to the UN Partition Plan - it was such a GREAT deal for them!!!

By 1947 Jews controlled 6% of Palestinian land with the rest controlled by Arab/Muslim Palestinians.
Why do you feel that Ottoman land that wasn't bought by the Jews
magically became Arab land?

If your landlord dies, you don't suddenly own your apartment.

Yeah, I can see why you think the Palestinians should have agreed to the UN Partition Plan - it was such a GREAT deal for them!!!

If they weren't such whiney babies, they'd have 44%.
Is that a better deal than what they have now?

 

[$mith]

There is no reasoning with bloodthirsty idiots. They’ve lost the ability to think. They now just emote, like child.

Hamas Is Underground So Why Is Israel Leveling Gaza Buildings?​

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A reasonable assumption: To kill as many Palestinians as possible & to level North Gaza making the return of those that moved to the South difficult as they would have nowhere to live?

 

[Kondor3]

Maybe they should have gone back to UR - Mesopotamia (present day Iraq), which is where Abraham and his tribe lived till a “visitation” from God telling him to take his tribe and go westward to the “Promised Land”...

Vae victus.

 

[gipper]

A reasonable assumption: To kill as many Palestinians as possible & to level North Gaza making the return of those that moved to the South difficult as they would have nowhere to live?

And do you approve of this war crime?

 

[BackAgain]

Israel DOES NOT have a right to the money I slaved all my life for that our government stole from me.
FACT

It isn’t a matter of “right.”

 

[$mith]

By 1947 Jews controlled 6% of Palestinian land with the rest controlled by Arab/Muslim Palestinians.
Why do you feel that Ottoman land that wasn't bought by the Jews
magically became Arab land?

The same way it magically became Jewish land when Jews settled in the area displacing the Canaanites.

One squatted/settled on vacant land or took it by the sword. Muslim Arabs have lived/occupied Palestinian land for many centuries.

If your landlord dies, you don't suddenly own your apartment.

Back then, that’s exactly how it was! If the owners died or left the area, someone else moved in and took possession.

Yeah, I can see why you think the Palestinians should have agreed to the UN Partition Plan - it was such a GREAT deal for them!!!

If they weren't such whiney babies, they'd have 44%.
Is that a better deal than what they have now?

I guess in their place, you’d have taken the deal, being forever grateful. But, what about the 750,000 Palestinians (3/5 of the Palestinian population) who were evicted with nothing? No home and No land?

What about the pogroms against the Jews, they too fled with very little. It was wrong then and it will be wrong always!

 

[$mith]

And do you approve of this war crime?

You refer to it as a war crime. I do too.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The same way it magically became Jewish land when Jews settled in the area displacing the Canaanites.

One squatted/settled on vacant land or took it by the sword. Muslim Arabs have lived/occupied Palestinian land for many centuries.


Back then, that’s exactly how it was! If the owners died or left the area, someone else moved in and took possession.

I guess in their place, you’d have taken the deal, being forever grateful. But, what about the 750,000 Palestinians (3/5 of the Palestinian population) who were evicted with nothing? No home and No land?

What about the pogroms against the Jews, they too fled with very little. It was wrong then and it will be wrong always!

One squatted/settled on vacant land or took it by the sword. Muslim Arabs have lived/occupied Palestinian land for many centuries.
In that case, the Jews took it, the Jews own it now.

I guess in their place, you’d have taken the deal, being forever grateful.

Better than whining forever.

But, what about the 750,000 Palestinians (3/5 of the Palestinian population) who were evicted with nothing?

If they accepted the UN partition, they'd have a country. They fucked up.
Over, and over and over. It's kinda their thing.

 

[Ringo]

Before our eyes, the liberal-democratic mask of the bourgeoisie is finally falling off, and behind it is revealed a bloody snout designed to kill and rob, justifying its monstrosity by divine providence. Because there is nothing else left, the gut is exposed.
And all the psychopaths, who froth at the mouth calling for the destruction of others always call to their aid "prophecies" written by humans and rewritten hundreds of times later to maintain the appearance of plausibility. And always the psychopaths have their god on their side.
Netanyahu: "We are the people of light, they are the people of darkness, and the light must triumph over the darkness. My role now is to lead all Israelis to a crushing victory..... We will fulfill Isaiah's prophecy ... together we will prevail."
The world has been taken over by murderous psychopaths

 

[watchingfromafar]

Here Is another murder of a child that should make you proud
Bullets fired from the tank flew through the classroom window, hitting Mahmoud Hamad in the neck and Hisham al Habil in the head. The boys had not even been sitting by the windows but in the middle of the room.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html
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[watchingfromafar]

What not another IDF murder of a child______
An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
Palestinian girl dies two days after an Israeli bullet to the head
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[watchingfromafar]

It can not be, another IDF sniper hits the mark!!!
Twelve years in the life of a girl in Gaza who was blinded by a bullet. On 1 March 2003, 12-year old Hoda Darwish is hit in the head by a bullet while sitting at her desk in an elementary school in Khan Younis in the Gaza Strip. Hoda miraculously survives, but she wakes up from her coma asking when the daylight comes. The bullet blinded her.
Hoda’s Story – Polish International Film Festival.