Israel does not target civilians?

[Rehmani]

Challenger, et al,

Wrong.

Rehmani, et al,

OK --- I'll play: Arab Palestine for 200$...

Invaders are invader and they have no right to own some one else country and invaders have to leave.

(COMMENT)

What Arab State did the Jewish Immigrants take?

What Arab State existed, west of the Jordan River, on 15 MAY 1948?

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine, to both questions.

(REFERENCE)

02/27/1948

PAL/138 Future government of Palestine - UN Palestine Commission as successor Government of Palestine/UK memorandum (excerpts) - Press release

(COMMENT)

The name Palestine was a designated short title for the territory to which the Mandate applied. Paragraph 1, Palestine Order in Council, League of Nations.

Palestine was not an Arab State. It was a "legal entity" under the Administration of the designated Mandatory, appointed by the Allied Powers.

Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The Arab Higher Committee rejected the offer presented by Resolution 181 (II), and the opportunity to participate in the Steps Preparatory to Independence.

On mid-night 14/15 May 1948, Jewish State [Part II, Section B - Boundaries, General Assembly Resolution 181 (II)] became a self-governing sovereignty. No establishment of an Arab State was coordinated.

Most Respectfully,
R

Jew you are wrong, Israel is created illegally by force and now by falls propaganda jew are trying to change theses historical facts, as you one of many jews.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

And therein rests the backbone of the problem.

Billo_Really, et al,

There is no reasonable expectation that the Palestinians will observe that pledge; even if the Israelis were inclined to give it a second chance.

When you end the occupation.

(COMMENT)

It id not work in 2005 when the Israelis unilaterally withdrew, and it will not work with the Palestinians of the West Bank.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israelis never withdrew from anywhere. Gaza is under the complete control and occupation of Israel.

(COMMENT)

In 2005, there was no Naval Blockade. Border crossings were still operational and comparatively open, given that Palestinians were still running attacks. The Airspace was under Israeli control simply because it was beyond the capability of the Palestinians given the dynamics of a 21st Century Air Traffic Control Zone and Air Defense Zone requires.

In a rough, truncated thumbnail view, this is how the externals saw the Palestinians as we approached the 21st Century:

The Palestinians were developing a network of terrorist organizations. The oldest of the groups is the PLO, stared in 1964. The PLO set the primer for violence in the movements to follow. Immediately after the Six Day War in 1967, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) was founded; and the 1968 splinter group known as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC). In 1969, the Popular Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PDFLP) was founded when it split from the PFLP. In 1979, Islamic fundamentals form a the Palestinian Islamic Jihad; and in 1988 the Islamic Resistance Movement emerged. In the year 2000, the PLO formed a series of Fatah related terrorist cells operating against Israeli military and civilian settlers in the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and Jerusalem; known as the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades; in the same year the Popular Resistance Committee (PRC) emerged and became active in the Gaza Strip.

The most significant of the groups where, of course, the PLO and the PFLP.

The PLO set the general content that the long-term organization needed.

• Fatah: The political face as a Palestinian political party on matters of national liberation.
• Tanzim: A specialized Militia for Fatah; to offset the Palestinian Islamism.
• Force 17: Was a failed attempt to establish an Intelligence Service for Fatah.
• Abu Nidal: A strong-armed terrorist set of cells that splintered off of Fatah.

The PFLP was/is a bit more cerebral. It was violence with an agenda.

It promoted a "People's War." (From 1968 to 1984, under the leadership of George Habash, it was the most violent and active of the Palestinian terrorist groups.)

• The purpose of the war was to FORCE a "Peaceful Solution."
• The "Revolutionary Theory" --- Palestinian National Movement; destroying Israel outright. (No two-state solution.)
• The Revolution should include the reformation of Jordan. (The PFLP has a Jordanian Branch.)

All this goes to establish a pattern of criminal behavior, that the Hostile Arab Palestinian rejects as terrorism because they promote themselves as "freedom Fights." The general HoAP rejects the notion that: "Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts. The HoAP see there cause as an exception. They have openly rejected the concept that: All disputes, including their dispute, should be addressed by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security are not endangered.

THUS, this establishes the reasoning for the continuation of the HoAP containment (not occupation) in the territories. Let loose, the International Community would be libel for the death and destruction that the HoAP would visit upon the region; endangering the peace and security.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Rehmani]

...The Palestinians are under Occupation Kondie,just because you support this unlawful act...

It really doesn't matter. The Jews of Israel are engaged in Reconquista, and, given the few slivers of land remaining to be secured, their multi-generational goal is now in sight.

...you are just defending the indefensible (Zionist Terrorism)...

I'm not trying to defend it. There is never any defense for Reconquista. Just as there is never any defense for original Conquest. I merely support the soon-to-be Winner.

...by playing summantics sic with shabby words...

I thought they were entirely functional words, and that they did a good yeoman's job as a partisan exercise in applied logic.

...your opinion is rank,like much of the Zionist ramblings...

If that's meant to be a literary review... don't quit your day-job.

...You think you are being clever in front of the Pro-Zionist Lobby on here...

No... I think I'm one voice amongst many friends of Israel, who stand against a Muslim-Palestinian online propaganda machine; and their fifth-column tag-alongs.

...but I see it as someone who finds these piquant situations difficult to comprehend...

Oh, I comprehend the full range of options well enough on the macro level; it's just that there is only one solution (Israeli completion of their Reconquista) left on the table.

The time for creating a Palestinian State would have been anytime in the period 1948-1967, and, failing that, at various points between 1967 and 2000 - the beginning of the 2nd Intifada - which closed that window forevermore. Since then, and by now, there isn't enough contiguous land remaining in which to create a Palestinian State, anyway. It's over.

A one-state solution will not work; that window closed back in the 1950s or 1960s.

A two-state solution will not work; that window closed in 2000 with the 2nd Intifada.

That means that, ultimately, either the Israelis or the Palestinians have to go.

The Israelis have all the playing cards and all the muscle, so it won't be them.

Which means the Palestinians have to go.

As a matter of policy and practice, Israel does not intentionally target civilians in order to inflict civilian casualties, but the insistence of Hamas, et al, in continuing to embed war assets (rocket launchers, operations centers, staging areas, sally ports and tunnels, logistics centers, munitions caches, communications centers, etc.) in civilian residential neighborhoods, mosques, schools, hospitals and clinics, etc., have resulted in large numbers of unintentional but necessary civilian casualties, as the Israelis have prosecuted this ongoing asymmetrical warfare with their sworn mortal enemies.

As to how the Palestinians will leave...

They can go, carried out by their feet, or...

They can go, walking out, with their families and belongings, and with the prospect of a happy, safe, secure life and a prosperous future, elsewhere, to look forward to.

Life is almost always a better choice than Death.

The rag-tag so-called Palestinians need to choose Life.

...,in a word your Brain is under severe CONTAINMENT ,fcuking shame really because you are not a bad Guy...

Thank you for your opinion.

...Seasons Greeting to your Family and yourself...

Thank you. And to you, as well.

As you said you are not jew means you are a jew because that is how jew practice, they never identified themselves and use others ID. which is wrong they should use their own ID. And as you said that jews are very close to their generational goal, they won't give up now. If jew take my advise and follow my signature comments would be better off otherwise jews have to start again as jews history full of difficult surprises. Jew are chasing a target which base on falls story and because of that jew are behaving like evil means keep losing and keep coming and this is not smart human way so my advise to jew behave like human not evil. Read my signature comments Please and make world peace full place.

 

[Roudy]

Hamas usage of human shields is a well established and proven fact. Their cowardice knows no bounds.

And you know the facts but don't have enough courage to accept the facts as it all jews nature.

The facts are that Hamas uses its own civilians as human shields. Their fighters do not wear uniforms for this very purpose. They're savages and cowards. But then again, that's what all Islamists are.

Not quite the spit and polish of the Brigade of Guards, or the USMC perhaps, but they look uniformed to me...

Thats a wonderful Islamic terrorist fashion show (for Islamic terrorist cowards), but such silly cutting and pasting serves only to reinforce a lot of negative stereotypes about you Islamic terrorist Pom Pom flailers.

Then why not Israel army enter into these camps and catch freedom fighter instead kill innocent civilian because jew army don't want dual fight because they scare.

What camps? Muslims are cowards that don't fight armies or wear uniforms. They are too busy hiding behind women and children. Actually anytime Israeli soldiers came marching in, the pussies fled. Arabs / Muslims have gotten their asses kicked so much, they don't fight in armies any longer. The only way they fight is as terrorists targeting innocent civilians. That's basically the Islamic holy fighter in a nutshell, cowards and savages.

 

[Roudy]

...The Palestinians are under Occupation Kondie,just because you support this unlawful act...

It really doesn't matter. The Jews of Israel are engaged in Reconquista, and, given the few slivers of land remaining to be secured, their multi-generational goal is now in sight.

...you are just defending the indefensible (Zionist Terrorism)...

I'm not trying to defend it. There is never any defense for Reconquista. Just as there is never any defense for original Conquest. I merely support the soon-to-be Winner.

...by playing summantics sic with shabby words...

I thought they were entirely functional words, and that they did a good yeoman's job as a partisan exercise in applied logic.

...your opinion is rank,like much of the Zionist ramblings...

If that's meant to be a literary review... don't quit your day-job.

...You think you are being clever in front of the Pro-Zionist Lobby on here...

No... I think I'm one voice amongst many friends of Israel, who stand against a Muslim-Palestinian online propaganda machine; and their fifth-column tag-alongs.

...but I see it as someone who finds these piquant situations difficult to comprehend...

Oh, I comprehend the full range of options well enough on the macro level; it's just that there is only one solution (Israeli completion of their Reconquista) left on the table.

The time for creating a Palestinian State would have been anytime in the period 1948-1967, and, failing that, at various points between 1967 and 2000 - the beginning of the 2nd Intifada - which closed that window forevermore. Since then, and by now, there isn't enough contiguous land remaining in which to create a Palestinian State, anyway. It's over.

A one-state solution will not work; that window closed back in the 1950s or 1960s.

A two-state solution will not work; that window closed in 2000 with the 2nd Intifada.

That means that, ultimately, either the Israelis or the Palestinians have to go.

The Israelis have all the playing cards and all the muscle, so it won't be them.

Which means the Palestinians have to go.

As a matter of policy and practice, Israel does not intentionally target civilians in order to inflict civilian casualties, but the insistence of Hamas, et al, in continuing to embed war assets (rocket launchers, operations centers, staging areas, sally ports and tunnels, logistics centers, munitions caches, communications centers, etc.) in civilian residential neighborhoods, mosques, schools, hospitals and clinics, etc., have resulted in large numbers of unintentional but necessary civilian casualties, as the Israelis have prosecuted this ongoing asymmetrical warfare with their sworn mortal enemies.

As to how the Palestinians will leave...

They can go, carried out by their feet, or...

They can go, walking out, with their families and belongings, and with the prospect of a happy, safe, secure life and a prosperous future, elsewhere, to look forward to.

Life is almost always a better choice than Death.

The rag-tag so-called Palestinians need to choose Life.

...,in a word your Brain is under severe CONTAINMENT ,fcuking shame really because you are not a bad Guy...

Thank you for your opinion.

...Seasons Greeting to your Family and yourself...

Thank you. And to you, as well.

As you said you are not jew means you are a jew because that is how jew practice, they never identified themselves and use others ID. which is wrong they should use their own ID. And as you said that jews are very close to their generational goal, they won't give up now. If jew take my advise and follow my signature comments would be better off otherwise jews have to start again as jews history full of difficult surprises. Jew are chasing a target which base on falls story and because of that jew are behaving like evil means keep losing and keep coming and this is not smart human way so my advise to jew behave like human not evil. Read my signature comments Please and make world peace full place.

You think the Palestinians are winning? Ha ha ha.

 

[Roudy]

P F Tinmore, et al,

And just where does it say that the Arab has the right of insurrection or to steal the sovereignty of the territory of another.

Rehmani, et al,

OK --- I'll play: Arab Palestine for 200$...

(COMMENT)

What Arab State did the Jewish Immigrants take?

What Arab State existed, west of the Jordan River, on 15 MAY 1948?

Most Respectfully,
R

Why do you keep pimping Israeli propaganda.

You know that the rights of the people do not require a state.

(COMMENT)

The treaty did not surrender the land to the Arab, it surrendered the land to the Allied Powers.

The argument that the right of the Jewish Immigrants is just as valid; even more so since they successfully defended their independence.

Most Respectfully,
R

Are you suggesting that the Palestinians stole someone else's territory.

Link?

YES look at the terms and conditions of the LoN charter and the LoN mandate for Palestine. The arab muslims received 78% of Palestine and the Jews 22%. So why do the arab muslims want what was never theirs to begin with.

First then why jew want to grab 78% instead stuck in Telaviv. Second Palestinian are indigenous and they ruled holy land for 900 years without break and during this 900 years rule they accommodate jews too others wise jews were not allowed in holy land.

Palestinians ruled the land for 900 years?! OMG. Can you show us?

Facts are they didn't even rule for even one month. True story.

 

[Roudy]

Challenger, et al,

Wrong.

Rehmani, et al,

OK --- I'll play: Arab Palestine for 200$...

Invaders are invader and they have no right to own some one else country and invaders have to leave.

(COMMENT)

What Arab State did the Jewish Immigrants take?

What Arab State existed, west of the Jordan River, on 15 MAY 1948?

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine, to both questions.

(REFERENCE)

02/27/1948

PAL/138 Future government of Palestine - UN Palestine Commission as successor Government of Palestine/UK memorandum (excerpts) - Press release

(COMMENT)

The name Palestine was a designated short title for the territory to which the Mandate applied. Paragraph 1, Palestine Order in Council, League of Nations.

Palestine was not an Arab State. It was a "legal entity" under the Administration of the designated Mandatory, appointed by the Allied Powers.

Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The Arab Higher Committee rejected the offer presented by Resolution 181 (II), and the opportunity to participate in the Steps Preparatory to Independence.

On mid-night 14/15 May 1948, Jewish State [Part II, Section B - Boundaries, General Assembly Resolution 181 (II)] became a self-governing sovereignty. No establishment of an Arab State was coordinated.

Most Respectfully,
R

Jew you are wrong, Israel is created illegally by force and now by falls propaganda jew are trying to change theses historical facts, as you one of many jews.

I love it, everybody who doesn't agree or proves otherwise is immediately attacked as "you Jew". Now you understand what it's like living as a minority among these Neanderthal savages.

 

[Roudy]

...The Palestinians are under Occupation Kondie,just because you support this unlawful act...

It really doesn't matter. The Jews of Israel are engaged in Reconquista, and, given the few slivers of land remaining to be secured, their multi-generational goal is now in sight.

...you are just defending the indefensible (Zionist Terrorism)...

I'm not trying to defend it. There is never any defense for Reconquista. Just as there is never any defense for original Conquest. I merely support the soon-to-be Winner.

...by playing summantics sic with shabby words...

I thought they were entirely functional words, and that they did a good yeoman's job as a partisan exercise in applied logic.

...your opinion is rank,like much of the Zionist ramblings...

If that's meant to be a literary review... don't quit your day-job.

...You think you are being clever in front of the Pro-Zionist Lobby on here...

No... I think I'm one voice amongst many friends of Israel, who stand against a Muslim-Palestinian online propaganda machine; and their fifth-column tag-alongs.

...but I see it as someone who finds these piquant situations difficult to comprehend...

Oh, I comprehend the full range of options well enough on the macro level; it's just that there is only one solution (Israeli completion of their Reconquista) left on the table.

The time for creating a Palestinian State would have been anytime in the period 1948-1967, and, failing that, at various points between 1967 and 2000 - the beginning of the 2nd Intifada - which closed that window forevermore. Since then, and by now, there isn't enough contiguous land remaining in which to create a Palestinian State, anyway. It's over.

A one-state solution will not work; that window closed back in the 1950s or 1960s.

A two-state solution will not work; that window closed in 2000 with the 2nd Intifada.

That means that, ultimately, either the Israelis or the Palestinians have to go.

The Israelis have all the playing cards and all the muscle, so it won't be them.

Which means the Palestinians have to go.

As a matter of policy and practice, Israel does not intentionally target civilians in order to inflict civilian casualties, but the insistence of Hamas, et al, in continuing to embed war assets (rocket launchers, operations centers, staging areas, sally ports and tunnels, logistics centers, munitions caches, communications centers, etc.) in civilian residential neighborhoods, mosques, schools, hospitals and clinics, etc., have resulted in large numbers of unintentional but necessary civilian casualties, as the Israelis have prosecuted this ongoing asymmetrical warfare with their sworn mortal enemies.

As to how the Palestinians will leave...

They can go, carried out by their feet, or...

They can go, walking out, with their families and belongings, and with the prospect of a happy, safe, secure life and a prosperous future, elsewhere, to look forward to.

Life is almost always a better choice than Death.

The rag-tag so-called Palestinians need to choose Life.

...,in a word your Brain is under severe CONTAINMENT ,fcuking shame really because you are not a bad Guy...

Thank you for your opinion.

...Seasons Greeting to your Family and yourself...

Thank you. And to you, as well.

As you said you are not jew means you are a jew because that is how jew practice, they never identified themselves and use others ID. which is wrong they should use their own ID. And as you said that jews are very close to their generational goal, they won't give up now. If jew take my advise and follow my signature comments would be better off otherwise jews have to start again as jews history full of difficult surprises. Jew are chasing a target which base on falls story and because of that jew are behaving like evil means keep losing and keep coming and this is not smart human way so my advise to jew behave like human not evil. Read my signature comments Please and make world peace full place.

"Jew Jew Jew Jew.... Jews should wear ID. Jews are evil. Jews will suffer. Jew should behave like humans."

Another psychotic Muslim looser obsessed with Jews. Anybody who thinks the Israel / Palestine conflict has nothing to do with Islamic hatred and intolerance of non Muslims is sadly mistaken.

 

[RoccoR]

Rehmani, et al,

Not correct. I cannot envision how you even come to that conclusion.

Jew you are wrong, Israel is created illegally by force and now by falls propaganda jew are trying to change theses historical facts, as you one of many jews.

(OBSERVATION)

QUOTE: UN Palestine Commission: During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented." SOURCE: UN PR PAL/169 17 May 1948
​

The Resolution is, of course:
11/29/1947

A/RES/181(II) Palestine plan of partition with economic union - General Assembly resolution 181

(COMMENT)

The State of Israel was created peacefully, pursuant to the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" recommended by the General Assembly. The issue of force is addressed so:

"Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein." SOURCE: A/AC.21/9 S/676 16 February 1948
​

QUOTE: US DoS, Office of the Historian: Home › Milestones › 1945–1952 › The Arab-Israeli War of 1948
The United Nations resolution sparked conflict between Jewish and Arab groups within Palestine. Fighting began with attacks by irregular bands of Palestinian Arabs attached to local units of the Arab Liberation Army composed of volunteers from Palestine and neighboring Arab countries. These groups launched their attacks against Jewish cities, settlements, and armed forces. The Jewish forces were composed of the Haganah, the underground militia of the Jewish community in Palestine, and two small irregular groups, the Irgun, and LEHI. The goal of the Arabs was initially to block the Partition Resolution and to prevent the establishment of the Jewish state. The Jews, on the other hand, hoped to gain control over the territory allotted to them under the Partition Plan.

After Israel declared its independence on May 14, 1948, the fighting intensified with other Arab forces joining the Palestinian Arabs in attacking territory in the former Palestinian mandate. On the eve of May 14, the Arabs launched an air attack on Tel Aviv, which the Israelis resisted. END QUOTE

The Arab Palestinians opened hostilities on the adoption of the 29 November 1947 Resolution.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Rehmani]

...they look uniformed to me...

Correct...

Your Palestinians are, indeed, 'uniform'...

Always a good day to kill a few dozen or a few score of these slime-balls...

Of course, civilians are going to be hurt and killed, when the IDF flattens an area that these scumbags are haunting...

Purely collateral and unintentional...

Nothing deliberate about attacking war-assets and combatants, and thereby generating unintended civilian casualties...

Don't want the civilian casualties?

Move the war-assets...

Oh... and... move the Neanderthal Nazi wannabes like these panty-waists...

Wrong.... When Jews pushed Palestinian into camps to grab their country, then jews can enter in these camps as well to avoid civilian deaths. But mostly jew soldiers hired from overseas, and they don't want dual fight because they scare and they prefer to kill innocent civilian.

1. ask for a refund (unless, of course, it was free at your local madrassa), for your English-as-a-Second-Language class - it did not succeed.

2. even through the formidable language barrier, you manifest as clinically paranoid.

I do not believe you to be sane.

Your simple-minded Automatic Gainsay on the subject does nothing to advance the conversation.

When your mind becomes more calm, perhaps you can do some research, and serve up prima facie evidence that the State of Israel routinely, and as matter of policy and regular practice, and on a substantive scale, target civilians, instead of legitimate military targets.

Consult your Arabic-English translation dictionary to help you with the Big Words.

Look Jew that is how you are. When you don't have answer, you become personal instead face the truth that israel use hired soldiers.

 

[Rehmani]

...they look uniformed to me...

Correct...

Your Palestinians are, indeed, 'uniform'...

Always a good day to kill a few dozen or a few score of these slime-balls...

Of course, civilians are going to be hurt and killed, when the IDF flattens an area that these scumbags are haunting...

Purely collateral and unintentional...

Nothing deliberate about attacking war-assets and combatants, and thereby generating unintended civilian casualties...

Don't want the civilian casualties?

Move the war-assets...

Oh... and... move the Neanderthal Nazi wannabes like these panty-waists...

Wrong.... When Jews pushed Palestinian into camps to grab their country, then jews can enter in these camps as well to avoid civilian deaths. But mostly jew soldiers hired from overseas, and they don't want dual fight because they scare and they prefer to kill innocent civilian.

1. ask for a refund (unless, of course, it was free at your local madrassa), for your English-as-a-Second-Language class - it did not succeed.

2. even through the formidable language barrier, you manifest as clinically paranoid.

I do not believe you to be sane.

Your simple-minded Automatic Gainsay on the subject does nothing to advance the conversation.

When your mind becomes more calm, perhaps you can do some research, and serve up prima facie evidence that the State of Israel routinely, and as matter of policy and regular practice, and on a substantive scale, target civilians, instead of legitimate military targets.

Consult your Arabic-English translation dictionary to help you with the Big Words.

Look Jew that is how you are. When you don't have answer, you become personal instead face the truth that israel use hired soldiers.

 

[Rehmani]

...they look uniformed to me...

Correct...

Your Palestinians are, indeed, 'uniform'...

Always a good day to kill a few dozen or a few score of these slime-balls...

Of course, civilians are going to be hurt and killed, when the IDF flattens an area that these scumbags are haunting...

Purely collateral and unintentional...

Nothing deliberate about attacking war-assets and combatants, and thereby generating unintended civilian casualties...

Don't want the civilian casualties?

Move the war-assets...

Oh... and... move the Neanderthal Nazi wannabes like these panty-waists...

Well then enter into camps and fight against freedom fighter don'e kill innocent people. But they can not they are scared. Because hired soldiers not paid good enough to sacrifice thier lives for illegal invasion.

 

[RoccoR]

Rehmani, et al,

I agree with you. You cannot change history.

Look jew, you can not change many millennium old indigenous palestinian rights because of falls propaganda.

(OBSERVATION)

For nearly 800 years, the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire was the sovereign power over the territory in question. The sovereign authority actually ended in 1918 with the Armistice of Mudros (Article 16). Article 132 of the Treaty of Sevres, also was just a clear; But then again, the Treaty of Lausanne addressed the final say:

The Armistice of Mudros, which was concluded on October 30, 1918
16. Surrender of all garrisons in Hejaz, Assir, Yemen, Syria, and Mesopotamia to the nearest Allied commander; and the withdrawal of troops from Cilicia, except those necessary to maintain order, as will be determined under Clause 5.

ARTICLE 132, Treaty of Sevres
Outside her frontiers as fixed by the present Treaty Turkey hereby renounces in favour of the Principal Allied Powers all rights and title which she could claim on any ground over or concerning any territories outside Europe which are not otherwise disposed of by the present Treaty.

Turkey undertakes to recognise and conform to the measures which may be taken now or in the future by the Principal Allied Powers, in agreement where necessary with third Powers, in order to carry the above stipulation into effect.

Article 16, Treaty of Lausanne:
Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighborly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries.

(COMMENT)

Now please notice that the Lausanne say two very important things:

• Turkey renounces all rights and title ---
• Turkey recognized by Treaty, that the future of these territories are being settled by the Allied Powers (parties to the treaty).

There can be no objection that the Allied Powers, on the effective date of the Treaty (which comes after the LoN Covenant), has the necessary authority to handle the territories any way it wanted.

You cannot change this history either. The territory was surrendered to the Allied Powers; and not to the Arabs of the Palestine; no matter what the Covenant said. The Covenant was written in 1919 and has no reach into (legal effect upon) a treaty written in 1924, by the same authors.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

montelatici, et al,

And therein rests the backbone of the problem.

Billo_Really, et al,

There is no reasonable expectation that the Palestinians will observe that pledge; even if the Israelis were inclined to give it a second chance.

When you end the occupation.

(COMMENT)

It id not work in 2005 when the Israelis unilaterally withdrew, and it will not work with the Palestinians of the West Bank.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israelis never withdrew from anywhere. Gaza is under the complete control and occupation of Israel.

(COMMENT)

In 2005, there was no Naval Blockade. Border crossings were still operational and comparatively open, given that Palestinians were still running attacks. The Airspace was under Israeli control simply because it was beyond the capability of the Palestinians given the dynamics of a 21st Century Air Traffic Control Zone and Air Defense Zone requires.

In a rough, truncated thumbnail view, this is how the externals saw the Palestinians as we approached the 21st Century:

The Palestinians were developing a network of terrorist organizations. The oldest of the groups is the PLO, stared in 1964. The PLO set the primer for violence in the movements to follow. Immediately after the Six Day War in 1967, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) was founded; and the 1968 splinter group known as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC). In 1969, the Popular Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PDFLP) was founded when it split from the PFLP. In 1979, Islamic fundamentals form a the Palestinian Islamic Jihad; and in 1988 the Islamic Resistance Movement emerged. In the year 2000, the PLO formed a series of Fatah related terrorist cells operating against Israeli military and civilian settlers in the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and Jerusalem; known as the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades; in the same year the Popular Resistance Committee (PRC) emerged and became active in the Gaza Strip.

The most significant of the groups where, of course, the PLO and the PFLP.

The PLO set the general content that the long-term organization needed.

• Fatah: The political face as a Palestinian political party on matters of national liberation.
• Tanzim: A specialized Militia for Fatah; to offset the Palestinian Islamism.
• Force 17: Was a failed attempt to establish an Intelligence Service for Fatah.
• Abu Nidal: A strong-armed terrorist set of cells that splintered off of Fatah.

The PFLP was/is a bit more cerebral. It was violence with an agenda.

It promoted a "People's War." (From 1968 to 1984, under the leadership of George Habash, it was the most violent and active of the Palestinian terrorist groups.)

• The purpose of the war was to FORCE a "Peaceful Solution."
• The "Revolutionary Theory" --- Palestinian National Movement; destroying Israel outright. (No two-state solution.)
• The Revolution should include the reformation of Jordan. (The PFLP has a Jordanian Branch.)

All this goes to establish a pattern of criminal behavior, that the Hostile Arab Palestinian rejects as terrorism because they promote themselves as "freedom Fights." The general HoAP rejects the notion that: "Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts. The HoAP see there cause as an exception. They have openly rejected the concept that: All disputes, including their dispute, should be addressed by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security are not endangered.

THUS, this establishes the reasoning for the continuation of the HoAP containment (not occupation) in the territories. Let loose, the International Community would be libel for the death and destruction that the HoAP would visit upon the region; endangering the peace and security.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are confused. Israel never released control of any border, air space or territorial sea of Gaza. Furthermore, Israel maintained "no-go" areas throughout Gaza after the settlers were removed.

There has never been a time when Gaza was not under a de-facto blockade by Israel.

The Vicious Israeli Jew Occupier has demonstrated itself that peaceful approaches only result in the occupation of more and more land within Palestine and that armed struggle, making the presence of the ViJO within Palestine as uncomfortable and as expensive as possible is the only way that the Palestinians will ever achieve independence or enfranchisement.

The Palestinians have, to their credit, limited the violence in their armed struggle against the colonial power when compared to earlier national liberation movements such as the Algerian FLN, the South African ANC etc.

The ViJO have been directly responsible for a great part of the war and mayhem in the region since their arrival from Europe. Indirectly, Israel as a western colony in the Middle East, supported financially and politically by the West, constantly in conflict with the native people of the region, is one of the causes of Arab and Muslim resentment vis-a-vis the West and one of the recruitment tools for Islamist causes.

 

[montelatici]

Rehmani, et al,

I agree with you. You cannot change history.

Look jew, you can not change many millennium old indigenous palestinian rights because of falls propaganda.

(OBSERVATION)

For nearly 800 years, the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire was the sovereign power over the territory in question. The sovereign authority actually ended in 1918 with the Armistice of Mudros (Article 16). Article 132 of the Treaty of Sevres, also was just a clear; But then again, the Treaty of Lausanne addressed the final say:

The Armistice of Mudros, which was concluded on October 30, 1918
16. Surrender of all garrisons in Hejaz, Assir, Yemen, Syria, and Mesopotamia to the nearest Allied commander; and the withdrawal of troops from Cilicia, except those necessary to maintain order, as will be determined under Clause 5.

ARTICLE 132, Treaty of Sevres
Outside her frontiers as fixed by the present Treaty Turkey hereby renounces in favour of the Principal Allied Powers all rights and title which she could claim on any ground over or concerning any territories outside Europe which are not otherwise disposed of by the present Treaty.

Turkey undertakes to recognise and conform to the measures which may be taken now or in the future by the Principal Allied Powers, in agreement where necessary with third Powers, in order to carry the above stipulation into effect.

Article 16, Treaty of Lausanne:
Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighborly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries.

(COMMENT)

Now please notice that the Lausanne say two very important things:

• Turkey renounces all rights and title ---
• Turkey recognized by Treaty, that the future of these territories are being settled by the Allied Powers (parties to the treaty).

There can be no objection that the Allied Powers, on the effective date of the Treaty (which comes after the LoN Covenant), has the necessary authority to handle the territories any way it wanted.

You cannot change this history either. The territory was surrendered to the Allied Powers; and not to the Arabs of the Palestine; no matter what the Covenant said. The Covenant was written in 1919 and has no reach into (legal effect upon) a treaty written in 1924, by the same authors.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Treaty of Lausanne does not supersede The Covenant of the League of Nations, nor is it in conflict. The Covenant regulates how the Allied Powers, members of the League of Nations, agreed to administer the former Turkish territories.

Stop being silly.

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

And therein rests the backbone of the problem.

Billo_Really, et al,

There is no reasonable expectation that the Palestinians will observe that pledge; even if the Israelis were inclined to give it a second chance.

When you end the occupation.

(COMMENT)

It id not work in 2005 when the Israelis unilaterally withdrew, and it will not work with the Palestinians of the West Bank.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israelis never withdrew from anywhere. Gaza is under the complete control and occupation of Israel.

(COMMENT)

In 2005, there was no Naval Blockade. Border crossings were still operational and comparatively open, given that Palestinians were still running attacks. The Airspace was under Israeli control simply because it was beyond the capability of the Palestinians given the dynamics of a 21st Century Air Traffic Control Zone and Air Defense Zone requires.

In a rough, truncated thumbnail view, this is how the externals saw the Palestinians as we approached the 21st Century:

The Palestinians were developing a network of terrorist organizations. The oldest of the groups is the PLO, stared in 1964. The PLO set the primer for violence in the movements to follow. Immediately after the Six Day War in 1967, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) was founded; and the 1968 splinter group known as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC). In 1969, the Popular Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PDFLP) was founded when it split from the PFLP. In 1979, Islamic fundamentals form a the Palestinian Islamic Jihad; and in 1988 the Islamic Resistance Movement emerged. In the year 2000, the PLO formed a series of Fatah related terrorist cells operating against Israeli military and civilian settlers in the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and Jerusalem; known as the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades; in the same year the Popular Resistance Committee (PRC) emerged and became active in the Gaza Strip.

The most significant of the groups where, of course, the PLO and the PFLP.

The PLO set the general content that the long-term organization needed.

• Fatah: The political face as a Palestinian political party on matters of national liberation.
• Tanzim: A specialized Militia for Fatah; to offset the Palestinian Islamism.
• Force 17: Was a failed attempt to establish an Intelligence Service for Fatah.
• Abu Nidal: A strong-armed terrorist set of cells that splintered off of Fatah.

The PFLP was/is a bit more cerebral. It was violence with an agenda.

It promoted a "People's War." (From 1968 to 1984, under the leadership of George Habash, it was the most violent and active of the Palestinian terrorist groups.)

• The purpose of the war was to FORCE a "Peaceful Solution."
• The "Revolutionary Theory" --- Palestinian National Movement; destroying Israel outright. (No two-state solution.)
• The Revolution should include the reformation of Jordan. (The PFLP has a Jordanian Branch.)

All this goes to establish a pattern of criminal behavior, that the Hostile Arab Palestinian rejects as terrorism because they promote themselves as "freedom Fights." The general HoAP rejects the notion that: "Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts. The HoAP see there cause as an exception. They have openly rejected the concept that: All disputes, including their dispute, should be addressed by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security are not endangered.

THUS, this establishes the reasoning for the continuation of the HoAP containment (not occupation) in the territories. Let loose, the International Community would be libel for the death and destruction that the HoAP would visit upon the region; endangering the peace and security.

Most Respectfully,
R

They have openly rejected the concept that: All disputes, including their dispute, should be addressed by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security are not endangered.​

What would you suggest that would work?

 

[RoccoR]

Rehmani, et al,

Again, Israeli's do not target civilians (ever). It can sometimes be the case that civilians are casualties do to proximity of military targets; but Israel does not target civilians.

Well then enter into camps and fight against freedom fighter don'e kill innocent people. But they can not they are scared. Because hired soldiers not paid good enough to sacrifice thier lives for illegal invasion.

(COMMENT)

I'm not sure I totally understand this. BUT, ---- remember that no Israeli entangled, relegated or incarcerated any Arab Palestinians into a UNRWA Refugee Camps. Ever single Refugee Camp in the West Bank and Gaza Strip emerged under total Arab Administration: All of them under either Egyptian Rule or Jordanian Rule between 1949 and 1953; except for two: The first Camp in 1948 and the last camp in 1965. Essentially the same can be said for the Refugee Camps in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

Rehmani, et al,

Again, Israeli's do not target civilians (ever). It can sometimes be the case that civilians are casualties do to proximity of military targets; but Israel does not target civilians.

Well then enter into camps and fight against freedom fighter don'e kill innocent people. But they can not they are scared. Because hired soldiers not paid good enough to sacrifice thier lives for illegal invasion.

(COMMENT)

I'm not sure I totally understand this. BUT, ---- remember that no Israeli entangled, relegated or incarcerated any Arab Palestinians into a UNRWA Refugee Camps. Ever single Refugee Camp in the West Bank and Gaza Strip emerged under total Arab Administration: All of them under either Egyptian Rule or Jordanian Rule between 1949 and 1953; except for two: The first Camp in 1948 and the last camp in 1965. Essentially the same can be said for the Refugee Camps in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan.

Most Respectfully,
R

Of course Israel targets civilians, it has been known for quite some time.

"GENEVA, March 23 United Nations investigators said on Monday Israel violated a range of human rights during its invasion of Gaza, including targeting civilians and using a child as a human shield."

U.N. reports say Israel targeted civilians in Gaza

Of course the Israelis drove the Palestinians to refugee camps, they expelled them from their lands in the illegally established Jewish partition of Palestine.

 

[Roudy]

Of course Israel doesn't intentionally target civilians. To do that they would have to be Palestinian or at least Muslim.

Palestinians Israeli civilians while hiding behind their own, and when Israelis strike back, the savages complain about civilian casualties. Israel cannot be responsible when the terrorist animals don't even care about their own civilians.

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

And therein rests the backbone of the problem.

Billo_Really, et al,

There is no reasonable expectation that the Palestinians will observe that pledge; even if the Israelis were inclined to give it a second chance.

When you end the occupation.

(COMMENT)

It id not work in 2005 when the Israelis unilaterally withdrew, and it will not work with the Palestinians of the West Bank.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israelis never withdrew from anywhere. Gaza is under the complete control and occupation of Israel.

(COMMENT)

In 2005, there was no Naval Blockade. Border crossings were still operational and comparatively open, given that Palestinians were still running attacks. The Airspace was under Israeli control simply because it was beyond the capability of the Palestinians given the dynamics of a 21st Century Air Traffic Control Zone and Air Defense Zone requires.

In a rough, truncated thumbnail view, this is how the externals saw the Palestinians as we approached the 21st Century:

The Palestinians were developing a network of terrorist organizations. The oldest of the groups is the PLO, stared in 1964. The PLO set the primer for violence in the movements to follow. Immediately after the Six Day War in 1967, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) was founded; and the 1968 splinter group known as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC). In 1969, the Popular Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PDFLP) was founded when it split from the PFLP. In 1979, Islamic fundamentals form a the Palestinian Islamic Jihad; and in 1988 the Islamic Resistance Movement emerged. In the year 2000, the PLO formed a series of Fatah related terrorist cells operating against Israeli military and civilian settlers in the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and Jerusalem; known as the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades; in the same year the Popular Resistance Committee (PRC) emerged and became active in the Gaza Strip.

The most significant of the groups where, of course, the PLO and the PFLP.

The PLO set the general content that the long-term organization needed.

• Fatah: The political face as a Palestinian political party on matters of national liberation.
• Tanzim: A specialized Militia for Fatah; to offset the Palestinian Islamism.
• Force 17: Was a failed attempt to establish an Intelligence Service for Fatah.
• Abu Nidal: A strong-armed terrorist set of cells that splintered off of Fatah.

The PFLP was/is a bit more cerebral. It was violence with an agenda.

It promoted a "People's War." (From 1968 to 1984, under the leadership of George Habash, it was the most violent and active of the Palestinian terrorist groups.)

• The purpose of the war was to FORCE a "Peaceful Solution."
• The "Revolutionary Theory" --- Palestinian National Movement; destroying Israel outright. (No two-state solution.)
• The Revolution should include the reformation of Jordan. (The PFLP has a Jordanian Branch.)

All this goes to establish a pattern of criminal behavior, that the Hostile Arab Palestinian rejects as terrorism because they promote themselves as "freedom Fights." The general HoAP rejects the notion that: "Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts. The HoAP see there cause as an exception. They have openly rejected the concept that: All disputes, including their dispute, should be addressed by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security are not endangered.

THUS, this establishes the reasoning for the continuation of the HoAP containment (not occupation) in the territories. Let loose, the International Community would be libel for the death and destruction that the HoAP would visit upon the region; endangering the peace and security.

Most Respectfully,
R

In 2005, there was no Naval Blockade. Border crossings were still operational and comparatively open,...​

Load of crap, Rocco.

Relevant info @ 9:10