Israel arrests Jewish youths suspected of arson attack on Palestinian home that killed 3

[USAF 2023]

Maybe that is not entirely fair - they did arrest the teens who burned the 16 yr old Palestinian boy alive - and that was done fairly quickly.

After the mass murder of the Fogel family and beheading of their infant the Palestinians celebrated ! Tell us when the PLO arrested them. You have the Chutzpah to condemn the Israelis ?

Oh yes - let's not condemn the Israeli's for they can do no wrong.

Lets not condemn you for your double standard or the Palestinians brutally killing an entire family including the beheading of their infant son with Palestinian approval !!!

 

[Phoenall]

The story of the Israeli security apparatus’ handling of theDawabshe murder case is beyond pathetic. It’s outright malfeasance, if not criminal negligence. The Shabak has known who murdered them almost since the family died in an arson attack in the village of Duma near Nablus (killing the mother, father, and baby boy and leaving alive one orphaned son). But it refused to pursue the case. Why? The defense minister claimed that doing so would expose intelligence methods and compromise sources.

I learned from a confidential source that this meant that there was a Shabak undercover agent among the conspirators.
BREAKING: After MKs Appeal to Supreme Court, Shabak Arrests 2 New Suspects in Dawabshe Murders Tikun-Olam Tikun Olam-תיקון עולם

How and why are you so sure the Shabbak knows or knew it all along?

Israeli minister 'knows who started fire that killed Palestinian toddler' but no arrests made
Moshe Ya'alon says security officials know the perpetrators behind blaze that killed three members of a Palestinian family but have delayed prosecuting for fear of betraying sources
Israeli minister 'knows who started fire that killed Palestinian toddler' but no arrests made

Knowing is not the same as proving is it, and you would not want to see the case collapse because you are acting liking a complete moron

that doesn't stop the israeli's from arresting palestinians.
they could have rounded up israeli's by the dozens in search of the arsonists. it's what they do when the rolls are reversed. why not this time?

Becaused the Geneva conventions say they cant, and they have to enforce Jordanian law. So start by looking at the laws of Jordan as they stood in 1967 for what the IDF must do by international law.

 

[Coyote]

More than 2/3 of Palestinians support killings of Jews. So yeah, actions of a "few", let them dream of a country in never-gonna-happen-land.

What percentage of Israeli's support the killing Of Palestinians?

Why don't you find out and then produce the results ?

Poll: 53% Israelis support extrajudicial killings

 

[Coyote]

Maybe that is not entirely fair - they did arrest the teens who burned the 16 yr old Palestinian boy alive - and that was done fairly quickly.

After the mass murder of the Fogel family and beheading of their infant the Palestinians celebrated ! Tell us when the PLO arrested them. You have the Chutzpah to condemn the Israelis ?

Oh yes - let's not condemn the Israeli's for they can do no wrong.

Lets not condemn you for your double standard or the Palestinians brutally killing an entire family including the beheading of their infant son with Palestinian approval !!!

You are talking about the brutal murder of the Fogel family? That's an old story, much commented on in earlier threads, and yes I've strongly condemned it. Perhaps before throwing around stupid ass comments you read what people actually write instead of assuming that because they're pro- this or pro-that they must believe a certain thing. There is no excuse for the targeting and murder of civilians. None.

 

[ogibillm]

The story of the Israeli security apparatus’ handling of theDawabshe murder case is beyond pathetic. It’s outright malfeasance, if not criminal negligence. The Shabak has known who murdered them almost since the family died in an arson attack in the village of Duma near Nablus (killing the mother, father, and baby boy and leaving alive one orphaned son). But it refused to pursue the case. Why? The defense minister claimed that doing so would expose intelligence methods and compromise sources.

I learned from a confidential source that this meant that there was a Shabak undercover agent among the conspirators.
BREAKING: After MKs Appeal to Supreme Court, Shabak Arrests 2 New Suspects in Dawabshe Murders Tikun-Olam Tikun Olam-תיקון עולם

How and why are you so sure the Shabbak knows or knew it all along?

Israeli minister 'knows who started fire that killed Palestinian toddler' but no arrests made
Moshe Ya'alon says security officials know the perpetrators behind blaze that killed three members of a Palestinian family but have delayed prosecuting for fear of betraying sources
Israeli minister 'knows who started fire that killed Palestinian toddler' but no arrests made

Knowing is not the same as proving is it, and you would not want to see the case collapse because you are acting liking a complete moron

that doesn't stop the israeli's from arresting palestinians.
they could have rounded up israeli's by the dozens in search of the arsonists. it's what they do when the rolls are reversed. why not this time?

Becaused the Geneva conventions say they cant, and they have to enforce Jordanian law. So start by looking at the laws of Jordan as they stood in 1967 for what the IDF must do by international law.

Jordan’s laws and the Geneva conventions dictate how israel pursues its citizens that have committed crimes?

 

[Fishlore]

Maybe that is not entirely fair - they did arrest the teens who burned the 16 yr old Palestinian boy alive - and that was done fairly quickly.

After the mass murder of the Fogel family and beheading of their infant the Palestinians celebrated ! Tell us when the PLO arrested them. You have the Chutzpah to condemn the Israelis ?

Oh yes - let's not condemn the Israeli's for they can do no wrong.

Lets not condemn you for your double standard or the Palestinians brutally killing an entire family including the beheading of their infant son with Palestinian approval !!!

You are talking about the brutal murder of the Fogel family? That's an old story, much commented on in earlier threads, and yes I've strongly condemned it. Perhaps before throwing around stupid ass comments you read what people actually write instead of assuming that because they're pro- this or pro-that they must believe a certain thing. There is no excuse for the targeting and murder of civilians. None.

The idea of a rule against targeting and murder of civilians isn't very helpful if one side has a military and the other doesn't. According to American-Israeli propaganda, Israel has a "Defense" Force and a civilian population while the Palestinians have a civilian population and a bunch of terrorists. Ho hum... That Israeli Defense Force has been on the offensive for fifty years.

Israel's military kills Palestinian civilians. That's all they can kill because the Palestinians don't have a military. They have irregulars, francs-tireurs, terrorists, geurrilleros etc. but no regular troops, no air force no navy. This is what we call asymmetrical warfare. It is not played by classical European rules.

 

[Coyote]

Maybe that is not entirely fair - they did arrest the teens who burned the 16 yr old Palestinian boy alive - and that was done fairly quickly.

After the mass murder of the Fogel family and beheading of their infant the Palestinians celebrated ! Tell us when the PLO arrested them. You have the Chutzpah to condemn the Israelis ?

Oh yes - let's not condemn the Israeli's for they can do no wrong.

Lets not condemn you for your double standard or the Palestinians brutally killing an entire family including the beheading of their infant son with Palestinian approval !!!

You are talking about the brutal murder of the Fogel family? That's an old story, much commented on in earlier threads, and yes I've strongly condemned it. Perhaps before throwing around stupid ass comments you read what people actually write instead of assuming that because they're pro- this or pro-that they must believe a certain thing. There is no excuse for the targeting and murder of civilians. None.

The idea of a rule against targeting and murder of civilians isn't very helpful if one side has a military and the other doesn't. According to American-Israeli propaganda, Israel has a "Defense" Force and a civilian population while the Palestinians have a civilian population and a bunch of terrorists. Ho hum... That Israeli Defense Force has been on the offensive for fifty years.

Israel's military kills Palestinian civilians. That's all they can kill because the Palestinians don't have a military. They have irregulars, francs-tireurs, terrorists, geurrilleros etc. but no regular troops, no air force no navy. This is what we call asymmetrical warfare. It is not played by classical European rules.

I don't know about "rules", but I oppose the targeting of civilians.

 

[Phoenall]

More than 2/3 of Palestinians support killings of Jews. So yeah, actions of a "few", let them dream of a country in never-gonna-happen-land.

What percentage of Israeli's support the killing Of Palestinians?

Why don't you find out and then produce the results ?

Poll: 53% Israelis support extrajudicial killings

Al Jazeera is not a valid source for anything in regards to Israel, why didn't they produce the results in full and not just the part that meets their anti Jew propaganda ?


Found the poll results and this is what was used to arrive at the 53% figure

A majority of Jewish Israelis (53%) also said they agreed with the statement that "any Palestinian who has perpetrated a terror attack against Jews should be killed on the spot."

Full poll here



Latest Peace Index: Israelis Are "Tense But Not Hysterical" - The Israel Democracy Institute

 

[Phoenall]

Maybe that is not entirely fair - they did arrest the teens who burned the 16 yr old Palestinian boy alive - and that was done fairly quickly.

After the mass murder of the Fogel family and beheading of their infant the Palestinians celebrated ! Tell us when the PLO arrested them. You have the Chutzpah to condemn the Israelis ?

Oh yes - let's not condemn the Israeli's for they can do no wrong.

Lets not condemn you for your double standard or the Palestinians brutally killing an entire family including the beheading of their infant son with Palestinian approval !!!

You are talking about the brutal murder of the Fogel family? That's an old story, much commented on in earlier threads, and yes I've strongly condemned it. Perhaps before throwing around stupid ass comments you read what people actually write instead of assuming that because they're pro- this or pro-that they must believe a certain thing. There is no excuse for the targeting and murder of civilians. None.

The idea of a rule against targeting and murder of civilians isn't very helpful if one side has a military and the other doesn't. According to American-Israeli propaganda, Israel has a "Defense" Force and a civilian population while the Palestinians have a civilian population and a bunch of terrorists. Ho hum... That Israeli Defense Force has been on the offensive for fifty years.

Israel's military kills Palestinian civilians. That's all they can kill because the Palestinians don't have a military. They have irregulars, francs-tireurs, terrorists, geurrilleros etc. but no regular troops, no air force no navy. This is what we call asymmetrical warfare. It is not played by classical European rules.

IT WOULDNT AS IT IS NOT IN EUROPE, SO DIFFERENT RULES APPLY.

Europe is not yet learning how to fight against Islamic terrorists and militia, when it does the results will be the same as they are in gaza and the west bank

 

[Phoenall]

After the mass murder of the Fogel family and beheading of their infant the Palestinians celebrated ! Tell us when the PLO arrested them. You have the Chutzpah to condemn the Israelis ?

Oh yes - let's not condemn the Israeli's for they can do no wrong.

Lets not condemn you for your double standard or the Palestinians brutally killing an entire family including the beheading of their infant son with Palestinian approval !!!

You are talking about the brutal murder of the Fogel family? That's an old story, much commented on in earlier threads, and yes I've strongly condemned it. Perhaps before throwing around stupid ass comments you read what people actually write instead of assuming that because they're pro- this or pro-that they must believe a certain thing. There is no excuse for the targeting and murder of civilians. None.

The idea of a rule against targeting and murder of civilians isn't very helpful if one side has a military and the other doesn't. According to American-Israeli propaganda, Israel has a "Defense" Force and a civilian population while the Palestinians have a civilian population and a bunch of terrorists. Ho hum... That Israeli Defense Force has been on the offensive for fifty years.

Israel's military kills Palestinian civilians. That's all they can kill because the Palestinians don't have a military. They have irregulars, francs-tireurs, terrorists, geurrilleros etc. but no regular troops, no air force no navy. This is what we call asymmetrical warfare. It is not played by classical European rules.

I don't know about "rules", but I oppose the targeting of civilians.

Haven't seen you condemn the Palestinians en masse that support and defend the targeting of Israeli civilians. You know the ones that sing and dance every time an Israeli child is murdered, or every time a qassam is fired

 

[fanger]

I don't know, this entire affair is pretty weird. Hope that at some point we'll find out what really happened there.

careful Le paz this subject is under a ban from the Israeli censor, how does it feel to be under a military ban on posting a fact?

 

[Fishlore]

After the mass murder of the Fogel family and beheading of their infant the Palestinians celebrated ! Tell us when the PLO arrested them. You have the Chutzpah to condemn the Israelis ?

Oh yes - let's not condemn the Israeli's for they can do no wrong.

Lets not condemn you for your double standard or the Palestinians brutally killing an entire family including the beheading of their infant son with Palestinian approval !!!

You are talking about the brutal murder of the Fogel family? That's an old story, much commented on in earlier threads, and yes I've strongly condemned it. Perhaps before throwing around stupid ass comments you read what people actually write instead of assuming that because they're pro- this or pro-that they must believe a certain thing. There is no excuse for the targeting and murder of civilians. None.

The idea of a rule against targeting and murder of civilians isn't very helpful if one side has a military and the other doesn't. According to American-Israeli propaganda, Israel has a "Defense" Force and a civilian population while the Palestinians have a civilian population and a bunch of terrorists. Ho hum... That Israeli Defense Force has been on the offensive for fifty years.

Israel's military kills Palestinian civilians. That's all they can kill because the Palestinians don't have a military. They have irregulars, francs-tireurs, terrorists, geurrilleros etc. but no regular troops, no air force no navy. This is what we call asymmetrical warfare. It is not played by classical European rules.

I don't know about "rules", but I oppose the targeting of civilians.

How about a civilian aiming his gun at you? Military/Civilian status rules work when both sides (or all sides) have a military and a separate civilian population. This describes modern European warfare.

 

[Phoenall]

I don't know, this entire affair is pretty weird. Hope that at some point we'll find out what really happened there.

careful Le paz this subject is under a ban from the Israeli censor, how does it feel to be under a military ban on posting a fact?

They are only facts when you have more than one source, so you never post facts do you. And if this was banned then the above post would not have made it to the US.

A small test for you. Send yourself two emails one with the heading be ready to die for allah the second with the heading peace on earth see which takes the longest to arrive

 

[Lipush]

I don't know, this entire affair is pretty weird. Hope that at some point we'll find out what really happened there.

careful Le paz this subject is under a ban from the Israeli censor, how does it feel to be under a military ban on posting a fact?

How does it feel to post trashy propaganda posts who fail on the dramatic effect?

 

[Lipush]

More than 2/3 of Palestinians support killings of Jews. So yeah, actions of a "few", let them dream of a country in never-gonna-happen-land.

What percentage of Israeli's support the killing Of Palestinians?

Much lesser than that, for sure.

 

[Lipush]

Maybe that is not entirely fair - they did arrest the teens who burned the 16 yr old Palestinian boy alive - and that was done fairly quickly.

After the mass murder of the Fogel family and beheading of their infant the Palestinians celebrated ! Tell us when the PLO arrested them. You have the Chutzpah to condemn the Israelis ?

Oh yes - let's not condemn the Israeli's for they can do no wrong.

Lets not condemn you for your double standard or the Palestinians brutally killing an entire family including the beheading of their infant son with Palestinian approval !!!

You are talking about the brutal murder of the Fogel family? That's an old story, much commented on in earlier threads, and yes I've strongly condemned it. Perhaps before throwing around stupid ass comments you read what people actually write instead of assuming that because they're pro- this or pro-that they must believe a certain thing. There is no excuse for the targeting and murder of civilians. None.

The idea of a rule against targeting and murder of civilians isn't very helpful if one side has a military and the other doesn't. According to American-Israeli propaganda, Israel has a "Defense" Force and a civilian population while the Palestinians have a civilian population and a bunch of terrorists. Ho hum... That Israeli Defense Force has been on the offensive for fifty years.

Israel's military kills Palestinian civilians. That's all they can kill because the Palestinians don't have a military. They have irregulars, francs-tireurs, terrorists, geurrilleros etc. but no regular troops, no air force no navy. This is what we call asymmetrical warfare. It is not played by classical European rules.

Israel's military kills Palestinians civilians because Palestinian terrorists make sure they're the first one in line of fire. They have an army, they call it "the military wing" of each organization. They have their brigades and they have their ground and navy units. What differs them from other "armies" is that they don't have ethnic rules of any known army whatsoever.

 

[Fishlore]

After the mass murder of the Fogel family and beheading of their infant the Palestinians celebrated ! Tell us when the PLO arrested them. You have the Chutzpah to condemn the Israelis ?

Oh yes - let's not condemn the Israeli's for they can do no wrong.

Lets not condemn you for your double standard or the Palestinians brutally killing an entire family including the beheading of their infant son with Palestinian approval !!!

You are talking about the brutal murder of the Fogel family? That's an old story, much commented on in earlier threads, and yes I've strongly condemned it. Perhaps before throwing around stupid ass comments you read what people actually write instead of assuming that because they're pro- this or pro-that they must believe a certain thing. There is no excuse for the targeting and murder of civilians. None.

The idea of a rule against targeting and murder of civilians isn't very helpful if one side has a military and the other doesn't. According to American-Israeli propaganda, Israel has a "Defense" Force and a civilian population while the Palestinians have a civilian population and a bunch of terrorists. Ho hum... That Israeli Defense Force has been on the offensive for fifty years.

Israel's military kills Palestinian civilians. That's all they can kill because the Palestinians don't have a military. They have irregulars, francs-tireurs, terrorists, geurrilleros etc. but no regular troops, no air force no navy. This is what we call asymmetrical warfare. It is not played by classical European rules.

Israel's military kills Palestinians civilians because Palestinian terrorists make sure they're the first one in line of fire. They have an army, they call it "the military wing" of each organization. They have their brigades and they have their ground and navy units. What differs them from other "armies" is that they don't have ethnic rules of any known army whatsoever.

A "military wing" is not a modern army. These groups are light infantry without artillery except for some harmless rockets, no armor, no radar, no transportation. The few naval units are mere frogmen. They have no ability to engage ships. They have no aircraft. To think of them as anything more than skirmishers with guerrilla capability is to believe their propaganda or to make their own.

Whether one thinks it acceptable under international law to drop high explosive ordinance on buildings where members of these military wings may be holed up is an interesting question. The World Court and other UN investigatory agencies have unanimously ruled that while these "wings" are not entitled to impunity, the parameter of "excessive force" must be respected.

The dispositive fact about using conventional, high-tech military assets against these "wings" is that its benefits are outweighed by its costs. Bombing the civilian bases of these "wings" in Gaza, Lebanon or the Bekaa Valley does prevent incursion into Israeli territory, an adventure with no chance of success in any case, but at a price of solidifying radical opposition and building international support. It is the classic mistake in counter-insurgency warfare.

 

[Fishlore]

Oh yes - let's not condemn the Israeli's for they can do no wrong.

Lets not condemn you for your double standard or the Palestinians brutally killing an entire family including the beheading of their infant son with Palestinian approval !!!

You are talking about the brutal murder of the Fogel family? That's an old story, much commented on in earlier threads, and yes I've strongly condemned it. Perhaps before throwing around stupid ass comments you read what people actually write instead of assuming that because they're pro- this or pro-that they must believe a certain thing. There is no excuse for the targeting and murder of civilians. None.

The idea of a rule against targeting and murder of civilians isn't very helpful if one side has a military and the other doesn't. According to American-Israeli propaganda, Israel has a "Defense" Force and a civilian population while the Palestinians have a civilian population and a bunch of terrorists. Ho hum... That Israeli Defense Force has been on the offensive for fifty years.

Israel's military kills Palestinian civilians. That's all they can kill because the Palestinians don't have a military. They have irregulars, francs-tireurs, terrorists, geurrilleros etc. but no regular troops, no air force no navy. This is what we call asymmetrical warfare. It is not played by classical European rules.

Israel's military kills Palestinians civilians because Palestinian terrorists make sure they're the first one in line of fire. They have an army, they call it "the military wing" of each organization. They have their brigades and they have their ground and navy units. What differs them from other "armies" is that they don't have ethnic rules of any known army whatsoever.

A "military wing" is not a modern army. These groups are light infantry without artillery except for some harmless rockets, no armor, no radar, no transportation. The few naval units are mere frogmen. They have no ability to engage ships. They have no aircraft. To think of them as anything more than skirmishers with guerrilla capability is to believe their propaganda or to make your own.

Whether one thinks it acceptable under international law to drop high explosive ordinance on buildings where members of these military wings may be holed up is an interesting question. The World Court and other UN investigatory agencies have unanimously ruled that while these "wings" are not entitled to impunity, the restriction against "excessive force" must be respected.

The dispositive fact about using conventional, high-tech military assets against these "wings" is that its benefits are outweighed by its costs. Bombing the civilian bases of these "wings" in Gaza, Lebanon or the Bekaa Valley does prevent incursion into Israeli territory, an adventure with no chance of success in any case, but at a price of solidifying radical opposition and building international support. It is the classic mistake in counter-insurgency warfare.