frigidweirdo
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And now you've just managed to convince yourself of something without understand where this came from. So you're just willing to ignore the past, pretend you don't need to know the past, pretend that Islam is just inherently violent and therefore is a problem because of this.
You're switching arguments all the time, and each time you manage to convince yourself that you're right because you've ignored everything.
The reality is that Islam doesn't need to be violent. What is written in the Koran and what people practice can be, and in most cases, are different.
Islam has become more and more violent due to the attacks from the West. Modern Jihad was born out of the British Empire's arrogance and has increased massively due to the US's attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan and the US setting up the perfect environment for them to flourish.
Had the West taken a step back, Islam would not have been like this.
Now, the question is why is this important to know? Because if we keep making the same mistakes over and over and over again, as we have been doing for more than 200 years, Islam will become more and more violent and we'll have more and more problems.
But then this plays into the hands of the right who want the violence so they can fight against it and keep the people in their place with fear, and they find it easier to get elected too, because they only need to tell the people they'll bomb ISIS, nuke Iraq and millions of people will love it.
The only mistake we are making is allowing Islam to spread. If they wish to live that way let them stay there. They refuse to assimilate in Europe. There are separate enclaves in America You can babble about fear when it is awareness and knowing the enemy will not compromise and that violence is their solution to everything.
Through out history has only been stopped militarily. It is far past time for decisive action. You go ahead and put the blame everywhere but where it belongs. While you do that more die and Islam gets stronger. Your kind of whining only enables these assholes. Snap the fuck out of it.
You don't really see the problem. You're talking about "allowing Islam to spread" as if A) you can do anything about it and B) you are somehow the world's police. This is the exact reason why Islam has become more violent in the first place.
The problem is, during this whole discussion between you and me, you've refused to look at the reality of the situation. All you see is the scaremongering and the nonsense that has been coming out about Islam, you're playing into the hands of the right wing who want this common enemy so they can spend even more of your money on the military, and put fear into your lives so you become more malleable.
You are the one who is not looking at the reality. This is a ruthless enemy that believes their belief system must rule the world. And it is widely supported by a large percentage of Muslims. Check the Pew polls and you will find out.
Islam needs to be shunned and shamed for what it is, not what we are told it is by apologists and dhimmis.
And again, why are they ruthless? They're ruthless because the more fighting they do, the more they become ruthless. And the fighting has come from fighting the West IN THEIR OWN LANDS. If you go to Iraq and set up a petri dish for ISIS, and then complain that ISIS is bad and evil, then who can you blame? Well you can only really blame those who set up those conditions, and they go by the name of Bremer and Bush and they did it in the name of the USA.
Fine, let's shame Islam for what it is. There's a lot to be ashamed about in my view. But you're only looking at Islam. Why aren't you looking at your own house? The US has EVEN MORE to be ashamed about.
Going to Iraq to try and weaken OPEC and basically makes up "intelligence" to convince the people to go to war. Then once the war is won, they set about being so incompetent at rebuilding the nation that ISIS thrives.
And that's only one thing.
Fuck rebuilding anything. Let Islamists take care of their own. No aid humanitarian or otherwise. That will finally destroy Islam when their followers see how terrible the belief system is. And how if it cannot take what is not theirs the Islamic belief system will rot on the vine.
Well, that seemed to be Bush and Bremer's whole philosophy, and where did that end up?
Two contrasting views. One, rebuilding, the Marshall Plan. Japan, Germany etc went from enemies to allies and the rebuilding made the allies strong. Two, no rebuilding, Bush and Bremer took men who would have been allies, the Iraqi Police and Armed Forces, and kicked them out of their jobs and made them go look for other work, namely for Islamic groups, and this then made Iraq hate the US, and gave the enemy more fighters.
And seeing these two contrasting views, you think the LATTER is the best option. Holy fuck.
You think this is going to destroy Islam? How's that then? It won't.