Ishmael & Isaac

[Phoenall]

Ishmael specifically is called a wild unruly jackass who's descendants will be at war with all nations. Ring a bell?

Actually, the Torah only says the about Ishmael not his descendants.

True story.........

But the Bible goes into more detail and says that it is passed down the line.

True story............


Don't say the Bible has been altered unless you want to be shown how the Koran steals the words of the Bible, thus making that book so much toilet paper.

 

[Phoenall]

It is actually in the nevi'im which is the second part of the tanakh

for the rest of the people....OT

I specifically said the Torah. ..

Because it supports your ISLAMONAZI POV ? ...........

 

[Phoenall]

Actually, the Torah only says the about Ishmael not his descendants.

True story.........

As Ishmael and his offspring are here called "wild ass men," so Israel is designated by the prophet "sheep men" (Ezekiel 36:37, 38).

I've always been an ass man myself. Does it mean I'm a closet Muslim?

Only if it is male ass, and you don't show any affection

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

That explains why he confused Moses sister Miriam as being the mother of Jesus leaving a 1600 yr gap mistake they cannot answer for to this day. It is in their book. They recorded it as he told it to them I suppose.

That has been answered many times.......even here on USMB.

Look it up. ...

I don't have to. I remember it as if it were yesterday and I was proven right. It is in your book. ( Koran ) The entire story of the angel visiting Mary is in there except it is the WRONG MARY. Your book records the mother of Jesus Christ ( Miriam / Mary ) as being the sister of Moses! YOU Look it up! Or ask Rosie to look it up for you because she surely remembers the day and confirmed that it even mentions Miriams father! ( Father of Moses ) You went silent after that and dropped it. Look that up too. - Jeri

 

[Sunni Man]

That explains why he confused Moses sister Miriam as being the mother of Jesus leaving a 1600 yr gap mistake they cannot answer for to this day. It is in their book. They recorded it as he told it to them I suppose.

That has been answered many times.......even here on USMB.

Look it up. ...

I don't have to. I remember it as if it were yesterday and I was proven right. It is in your book. ( Koran ) The entire story of the angel visiting Mary is in there except it is the WRONG MARY. Your book records the mother of Jesus Christ ( Miriam / Mary ) as being the sister of Moses! YOU Look it up! Or ask Rosie to look it up for you because she surely remembers the day and confirmed that it even mentions Miriams father! ( Father of Moses ) You went silent after that and dropped it. Look that up too. - Jeri

No, you weren't proven right.


Many times in the OT people are referred to as "daughter of" or "son of" as an honorific title.

Even to day a jewish woman can be called a "daughter of Ruth".

It doesn't mean she is the actually Ruth's physical daughter from the OT.


The Quran is just using the same title of honor and is not to be take literally.

But Islam haters like you love to make a big deal out something that is a non issue. ...

 

[docmauser1]

...But Islam haters like you love to make a big deal out something that is a non issue. ...

But jew-haters love to make a big deal out of something that's a non-issue, of course.

 

[Phoenall]

That has been answered many times.......even here on USMB.

Look it up. ...

I don't have to. I remember it as if it were yesterday and I was proven right. It is in your book. ( Koran ) The entire story of the angel visiting Mary is in there except it is the WRONG MARY. Your book records the mother of Jesus Christ ( Miriam / Mary ) as being the sister of Moses! YOU Look it up! Or ask Rosie to look it up for you because she surely remembers the day and confirmed that it even mentions Miriams father! ( Father of Moses ) You went silent after that and dropped it. Look that up too. - Jeri

No, you weren't proven right.


Many times in the OT people are referred to as "daughter of" or "son of" as an honorific title.

Even to day a jewish woman can be called a "daughter of Ruth".

It doesn't mean she is the actually Ruth's physical daughter from the OT.


The Quran is just using the same title of honor and is not to be take literally.

But Islam haters like you love to make a big deal out something that is a non issue. ...

So you are saying that the Koran is not the word of god, unchanging and sacrosanct. Is this yet more kithman and taqiya.

Mary, the Mother of Jesus and Sister of Aaron and Moses

The proof that sunni is a LIAR

 

[Sunni Man]

So glad I have the loon Phoenall on "Ignore" and can't see the idiocy he posts. ..

 

[Phoenall]

So glad I have the loon Phoenall on "Ignore" and can't see the idiocy he posts. ..

WHAT A LYING POS ISLAMONAZI YOU ARE you are paid to read everything and comment on anything that is anti islam.

 

[Roudy]

So how does it feel to know that your genius prophet Mohammad related himself and in essence the Nation of Islam to this man:

Genesis 16:12


New International Version
He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."

New Living Translation
This son of yours will be a wild man, as untamed as a wild donkey! He will raise his fist against everyone, and everyone will be against him. Yes, he will live in open hostility against all his relatives."

English Standard Version
He shall be a wild donkey of a man, his hand against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen.”

New American Standard Bible
"He will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone, And everyone's hand will be against him; And he will live to the east of all his brothers."

King James Bible
And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
This man will be like a wild donkey. His hand will be against everyone, and everyone's hand will be against him; he will live at odds with all his brothers.

International Standard Version
He'll be a wild donkey of a man. He'll be against everyone, and everyone will be against him. He will live in conflict with all of his relatives."

NET Bible
He will be a wild donkey of a man. He will be hostile to everyone, and everyone will be hostile to him. He will live away from his brothers."

GOD'S WORD® Translation
He will be as free and wild as an untamed donkey. He will fight with everyone, and everyone will fight with him. He will have conflicts with all his relatives."

Jubilee Bible 2000
And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

King James 2000 Bible
And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell over against all his brethren.

American King James Version
And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brothers.

American Standard Version
And he shall be as a wild ass among men; his hand'shall be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell over against all his brethren.

Douay-Rheims Bible
He shall be a wild man: his hand will be against all men, and all men's hands against him: and he shall pitch his tents over against all his brethren.

Darby Bible Translation
And he will be a wild-ass of a man, his hand against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell before the face of all his brethren.

English Revised Version
And he shall be as a wild-ass among men; his hand shall be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Webster's Bible Translation
And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

World English Bible
He will be like a wild donkey among men. His hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him. He will live opposite all of his brothers."

Young's Literal Translation
and he is a wild-ass man, his hand against every one, and every one's hand against him -- and before the face of all his brethren he dwelleth.'

 

[Sunni Man]

..................................................^^ So what's your point Roudy?

Abraham whom the juden consider the father of Judaism tried to prostitute his wife to a King.

Moses another juden hero murdered a man.

King David had a man killed so he could marry his wife.

And Lot had sex with his daughters and got them both pregnant.


Ishmael doesn't sound like too bad of a guy compared to these hebe's in the Torah ...

 

[Shaarona]

Genesis 25

King James Version (KJV)


25 Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah.

2 And she bare him Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah.

3 And Jokshan begat Sheba, and Dedan. And the sons of Dedan were Asshurim, and Letushim, and Leummim.

4 And the sons of Midian; Ephah, and Epher, and Hanoch, and Abidah, and Eldaah. All these were the children of Keturah.

5 And Abraham gave all that he had unto Isaac.

6 But unto the sons of the concubines, which Abraham had, Abraham gave gifts, and sent them away from Isaac his son, while he yet lived, eastward, unto the east country.

7 And these are the days of the years of Abraham's life which he lived, an hundred threescore and fifteen years.

8 Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years; and was gathered to his people.

9 And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which is before Mamre;

 

[Roudy]

..................................................^^ So what's your point Roudy?

Abraham whom the juden consider the father of Judaism tried to prostitute his wife to a King.

Moses another juden hero murdered a man.

King David had a man killed so he could marry his wife.

And Lot had sex with his daughters and got them both pregnant.


Ishmael doesn't sound like too bad of a guy compared to these hebe's in the Torah ...

So you're proud that your prophet is a descendant of a wild Jackass? LOL

 

[Roudy]

..................................................^^ So what's your point Roudy?

Abraham whom the juden consider the father of Judaism tried to prostitute his wife to a King.

Moses another juden hero murdered a man.

King David had a man killed so he could marry his wife.

And Lot had sex with his daughters and got them both pregnant.


Ishmael doesn't sound like too bad of a guy compared to these hebe's in the Torah ...

And yet, all the sins committed in the OT don't compare to the barbarity of Mohammad, the illiterate caravan robbing terrorist pedophile prophet.

 

[Sunni Man]

The lying jews wrote that in the Torah.

The Quran doesn't say such an awful thing about the Prophet Ishmael. ..

 

[Roudy]

The lying jews wrote that in the Torah.

The Quran doesn't say such an awful thing about the Prophet Ishmael. ..

Eh? The Torah was written thousands of years before your illiterate prophet came onto the scene. Who cares what the Koran says. I don't think an illiterate terrorist is qualified to critique other religions when he couldn't even read a word of whats written in their holy books.

 

[Phoenall]

..................................................^^ So what's your point Roudy?

Abraham whom the juden consider the father of Judaism tried to prostitute his wife to a King.

Mohamed the god of the ragheads prostituted all his wives

Moses another juden hero murdered a man.

Mohamed the god of the ragheads mureder thousands of men

King David had a man killed so he could marry his wife.

Mohamed the god of the ragheads had hundreds of men killed so he could make their daughters his sex slaves, and married his brothers daughter.

And Lot had sex with his daughters and got them both pregnant.

Mohamed the god of the ragheads has sex with anything and was known to be fond of camels, goats and little boys


Ishmael doesn't sound like too bad of a guy compared to these hebe's in the Torah ...

mohamed the god of the ragheads sound like a very evil person and it shows in his progeny the ragheads when they rape little girls

You want to be racist and you can expect it back 10 times over.

 

[MDiver]

If Abraham has sex with Hagar and thus create Ishmael, what do they create?
Try.....another human to love. Forget the Arab-Hebrew crap.

 

[Roudy]

If Abraham has sex with Hagar and thus create Ishmael, what do they create?
Try.....another human to love. Forget the Arab-Hebrew crap.

Hey, I'm not a big fan of what went down. Abraham has a child from the handmaid, and then kicks both her and his son out.

But if we're going to recite a story, as it was, then we better recite it correctly. Even if it's fiction.

 

[Rowdy]

..................................................^^ So what's your point Roudy?

Abraham whom the juden consider the father of Judaism tried to prostitute his wife to a King.

Moses another juden hero murdered a man.

King David had a man killed so he could marry his wife.

And Lot had sex with his daughters and got them both pregnant.


Ishmael doesn't sound like too bad of a guy compared to these hebe's in the Torah ...

So you're proud that your prophet is a descendant of a wild Jackass? LOL

And you are proud of the founder of a religion that impregnates a person in his employ and then kicks her and his own son out, refusing to care for them?

Are you proud that you are a product of inbreeding of your ancestors, Abraham and Sarah, a pimp and hissister prostitute?

Who wrote this Torah anyway. They sound like the most bigoted and cruelest people in the world.