Zone1 Is Your Body a Temple or a Graveyard?

[BackAgain]

What early church writers said about this issue:

Clement wrote, "It is far better to be happy than to have your bodies act as graveyards for animals.

The Apostle Matthew partook of seeds, nuts and vegetables, without flesh".

Of the earliest Christian documents is, Clementine Homiles', a second-century work based on the teachings of St. Peter. Homily XII states, "The unnatural eating of flesh meats is as polluting as the heathen worship of devils, with its sacrifices and its impure feasts, through participation in it a man becomes a fellow eater with devils".

Many monasteries in ancient times to the present practiced vegetarianism.

Clement of Alexandria

Sacrifices were invented by men to be a pretext for eating flesh.

James

James, the brother of the Lord was holy from his mothers womb; and he drank no wine nor strong drink, nor did he eat flesh. Hegesippus, quoted in The Church History of Eusebius, book 2, chapter 23.

Regenstein

Says that nowhere in the New Testament is Jesus depicted as eating Flesh and "if the Last Supper was a Passover meal, there is, no mention of the Pass Over Lamb Dish".

Saint Augustine

Says: Jacobus, the brother of Jesus, lived of seeds and vegetables and did not accept meat or wine.

Saint Basil

The steam of meat meals darkens the spirit. One can hardly have virtue if one enjoys meat meals and feasts. In the earthly paradise, no one sacrificed animals, and no one ate meat.

St Francis of Assisi

All things of creation are children of the Father and thus brothers of man, God wants us to help animals, if they need help. Every creature in distress has the same right to be protected.

Saint Jerome

The eating of meat was unknown up to the big flood, but since the flood they have the strings and stinking juices of animal meat into our mouths, just as they threw in front of the grumbling sensual people in the desert. Jesus Christ, who appeared when the time had been fulfilled, has again joined the end with the beginning, so that it is no longer allowed for us to eat animal meat.

EARLY CHRISTIAN VEGETARIANS

Early Christians Practice Vegetarianism.

www.all-creatures.org

Yet, Jesus fed the multitude with a few loaves of bread and just a few fish.

 

[Woodznutz]

Jesus dined with sinners. What do we suppose sinners ate?

 

[Woodznutz]

Locusts are eaten in the Middle East. ... Usually parched like a peanut. They are considered a boon.

True. The Greek word means the insect, which God permitted the Israelites to eat.

 

[buttercup]

Is mercy necessary?

No. Not toward animals we can eat.

Hi Sue. I know that your post above was from over a year ago...but I never forgot it, I just sort of filed it away in my mind. The reason I'm replying right now is because a few days ago I felt led to make an entire video based on your view you stated in that comment.

Don't feel obligated to reply, I'm not trying to get into a debate or discussion right now. I really just wanted to give you the video I made, since it was in part inspired by your comment. If you do want to reply to it, please reply in the YouTube video comment section... That way other people can read whatever you have to say and join in the discussion. Thanks.

 

[Stann]

A Catholic repents of the many lives he stole

Neither , it is a vessel our spirits utolize when we visit this world.

 

[SweetSue92]

Hi Sue. I know that your post above was from over a year ago...but I never forgot it, I just sort of filed it away in my mind. The reason I'm replying right now is because a few days ago I felt led to make an entire video based on your view you stated in that comment.

Don't feel obligated to reply, I'm not trying to get into a debate or discussion right now. I really just wanted to give you the video I made, since it was in part inspired by your comment. If you do want to reply to it, please reply in the YouTube video comment section... That way other people can read whatever you have to say and join in the discussion. Thanks.

I think I wasn't very clear in the comment because context is lacking. by "mercy" you mean we cannot eat any animals. We are not required by God to give that kind of mercy to animals. That doesn't mean, however, that we should be unnecessarily cruel to them for any reason, not even if we intend to eat them.

What you're doing here is invoking an Eden that hasn't been since the beginning of time. You want to erase the death of animals for food, but cannot, and will not, erase their death (and ours) for a whole battery other terrible ends: disease, accident, etc.

You cannot erase death, though. No one but Jesus can do that, and we're now suspended in the time between the promise and the not yet. When that comes, death dies. But not yet.

 

[Woodznutz]

I think I wasn't very clear in the comment because context is lacking. by "mercy" you mean we cannot eat any animals. We are not required by God to give that kind of mercy to animals. That doesn't mean, however, that we should be unnecessarily cruel to them for any reason, not even if we intend to eat them.

What you're doing here is invoking an Eden that hasn't been since the beginning of time. You want to erase the death of animals for food, but cannot, and will not, erase their death (and ours) for a whole battery other terrible ends: disease, accident, etc.

You cannot erase death, though. No one but Jesus can do that, and we're now suspended in the time between the promise and the not yet. When that comes, death dies. But not yet.

God put the first animal(s) to death in the garden of Eden, to cover the sin of Adam and Eve.

 

[SweetSue92]

God put the first animal(s) to death in the garden of Eden, to cover the sin of Adam and Eve.

We don't know but we get clear instruction later in the Bible that animals can be eaten.

If it's your personal conviction that you don't want to eat animals, that's fine. But it's not a requirement for other Christians, as clearly outlined in Acts 10 (Peter)

 

[Woodznutz]

We don't know but we get clear instruction later in the Bible that animals can be eaten.

If it's your personal conviction that you don't want to eat animals, that's fine. But it's not a requirement for other Christians, as clearly outlined in Acts 10 (Peter)

I love my meatloaf.

 

[SweetSue92]

I love my meatloaf.

First day is so good but SECOND DAY made into a meatloaf sandwich is one of my favorite meals ever

 

[BreezeWood]

they are few and far between who eat what was not living - and certainly does not lend itself to a designed origin rather an origin made possible through necessity that is refined still not to be wasteful ...

for most - but not for the sinners.

 

[Stann]

God put the first animal(s) to death in the garden of Eden, to cover the sin of Adam and Eve.

WTF , NO , god didn't destroy the animals in the garden of Eden BUT they did suffer the consequences brought on by mans' disobedience to God. Even I know that and I am not a Christian or a believer in those fairy tales.

 

[Stann]

We don't know but we get clear instruction later in the Bible that animals can be eaten.

If it's your personal conviction that you don't want to eat animals, that's fine. But it's not a requirement for other Christians, as clearly outlined in Acts 10 (Peter)

Hopefully people who call themselves Christians would want ethical treatment of animals as well as their fellow human beings.

 

[ding]

Hopefully people who call themselves Christians would want ethical treatment of animals as well as their fellow human beings.

To live is to consume. If consuming is wrong, then so is living. Maybe it's true that the flesh is of no vail.

 

[Woodznutz]

WTF , NO , god didn't destroy the animals in the garden of Eden BUT they did suffer the consequences brought on by mans' disobedience to God. Even I know that and I am not a Christian or a believer in those fairy tales.

Who do you think killed the lambs whose skins were used to cover Adam and Eve?

Genesis 3:21
Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Note the plural; skins. Two lambs without blemish were killed.

 

[Stann]

Who do you think killed the lambs whose skins were used to cover Adam and Eve?

Genesis 3:21
Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Note the plural; skins. Two lambs without blemish were killed.

You indicated god killed ALL the animals in the garden of Eden. Not the same thing.

 

[Woodznutz]

You indicated god killed ALL the animals in the garden of Eden. Not the same thing.

I put the plural, (s) in parenthesis because there likely were two animals killed, not every animal in the garden.

 

[SweetSue92]

Hopefully people who call themselves Christians would want ethical treatment of animals as well as their fellow human beings.

Exactly as I said. But when Buttercup argues mercy, she means animals should not be eaten.

 

[Woodznutz]

Exactly as I said. But when Buttercup argues mercy, she means animals should not be eaten.

Which followed to its logical conclusion would mean the end of many animal species.

 

[Stann]

I put the plural, (s) in parenthesis because there likely were two animals killed, not every animal in the garden.

Ironically Mankinds' earliest ancestors were largely vegetarian like Adam and Eve in the Bible. If a god wanted to relay a specific message to primitive people's it could use this type of allegory. A very big " IF ". I believe it GOD wanted to communicate with us while we are here it would have no problem revealing that directly.