Is trump’s Goal To Undermine Our Democracy One Step At A Time?

[AvgGuyIA]

Ever been to Cook County Illinois, where death is no reason to stop voting. Your source is amusing, but hardly the last word.

Actually it is the last word. There were minimally 20 links to serious studies on the subject within my link so if you don't like Brennon Center as a primary link - do some digging within.

The George W Bush DOJ spent 5 years and tens of millions on the subject. They ended up with about 160 cases nationally. Most of them were honest mistakes. For instance seniors who forgot they voted absentee and then showed up at the polling place. They ended up with 60-some guilty please and convictions. IOW, they found about a dozen legit cases per year.

In 5-Year Effort, Scant Evidence of Voter Fraud

HRC won the popular vote by 3 million and lost electoral by a pubic hair (77,000 votes in three states). Maybe you could point me to the last presidential election in which the popular vote was won by half a dozen to a dozen votes.

I'll wait

there is no legal means to validate presidential elections by popular vote. Ain't worth the asswipe to record it on.

 

[Markle]

I wasn’t talking about the total number of illegals in the country. I was talking about the few who would even answer Census questions knowing trump and the other asshole, Sessions are just using the census to target then in one more way.

Why shouldn't they be targeted? They're not supposed to be in this country.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

We were formed as a republic, dumb ass..........

AHhh, the old "America is not a democracy" trope.
This is what happens when you learn by rote and don't have sufficient familiarity with history to actually understand the subject.
Yes, of course the US was formed as a republic, a republic with a representative form of government which is democratically elected.

Pure democracy is too volatile to actually function in ANY government whatsoever.
Think of it as OXYGEN. Do animals breathe PURE oxygen?
Of course not. Oxygen is one key component in a mixture of several gases.

Your comment, "We were formed as a republic, dumb ass", attempts to imply that democracy is not a component of our republic.

NOW we all know who the real dumbass really is.
It's every single person who parrots and regurgitates that phony fucking load of tripe about how "America is not a democracy, it is a republic".

I bet you also think Hitler was a liberal because he called his brand of politics "National SOCIALISM".

Translation...I fucked up and said we are a democracy and got called on. If you're so smart then refer to us being a democratic republic.,.emphasis on republic.

 

[Dale Smith]

What I am talking about has nothing to do with the "sovereign citizen" movement. This is about cohesion contracts and basic contract law that unless you understand Black's Law dictionary and understand legalese, you have no hope of prevailing in their admiralty courts. You don't know a fucking thing about what the Oregon stand-off was about or how Lavoy Finicum was flat out murdered or the torture the "State" did to those that stood up for the Hammond family and how they were denied due process that violated very principle that this country was allegedly founded on. You are out of your league, "home slice".....you have got nothing and the fact that you seem to take a certain glee over the death of Lavoy Finicum tells meall I need to know about you and that you are a disgusting sack of shit.

Fuck off with your "admiralty courts".
PS: One of your kind tried to rent our house in Mansfield TX and tried to squat and/or take "adverse possession".
I SHOT HIM, and walked free.
My Texas neighbors applauded.

You ain't got nearly as many friends as you think you do.

Good for you and I would stand by your right to enforce the contract that they signed....but it doesn't have a fucking thing to do as to what I am talking about....it's not even within the same universe. This has nothing to do with what we do with each other or agreements made......this is about "contracts" with this corporate entity we refer to as "government"........get back on point because you are losing this debate in a MAJOR way.

Hope this helps!

 

[monkrules]

Why do you support illegals in our country. No other country allows illegals to roam freely? Your side lost an election over that fact. We won and our side is throwing those fuckers out and you can't do anything about it.

Trying to ‘talk’ to you is a total waste of time. Why? Because you are dishonest.

I never said I “support illegals in our country”. That’s YOUR statement, and it is an outright lie. In fact, the one area where I do support trump is in his efforts to curb immigration, legal and illegal.

Your entire post is based on the same big lie.

Imo, you’ve lost all credibility. No one wants to interact with a LIAR.

Bye.

Hope you learn to read before your eyes go bad and it's too late.

 

[kiwiman127]

Now trump and the DOJ want to screw up the Census count by adding questions about citizenship. This will discourage many people from answering the questions and will undercut trust in the system.

A scary line in the second paragraph states that trump wants to appoint a hack to head the bureau who doesn't believe in "competetive" elections. That's all we need, trump to help destroy our democratic electoral process.

The article is well worth a read. The link is at the bottom of this post.

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From the article:

“People are not going to come out to be counted because they’re going to be fearful the information would be used for negative purposes,” said Steve Jost, a former top bureau official during the 2010 census. “This line about enforcing voting rights is a new and scary twist.” He noted that since the first census in 1790, the goal has been to count everyone in the country, not just citizens.

There have been rumblings since the beginning of the year that the Trump administration wanted to add a citizenship question to the census. Adding to the concerns about the 2020 count, Politico reported last month that the administration may appoint to a top job at the bureau a Republican redistricting expert who wrote a book called “Redistricting and Representation: Why Competitive Elections Are Bad for America.” The Census Bureau’s population count determines how the 435 U.S. House seats are distributed.

Trump Justice Department Pushes for Citizenship Question on Census, Alarming Experts — ProPublica

If that's his goal he's doing it wrong. So far the majority of his EO's have been countermanding obamas very illegal EO's. So, I would have to say the answer to your question is no. obama is by far the most authoritarian POTUS we have had since FDR.

Wow, just wow!
You have really gone over the edge.
Trump Confirms His Autocratic Instincts. And His Ineptitude.

Trump is faithfully following the autocrat’s playbook

Why am I saying, you have gone over the edge?
Read this article and then take a look at yourself.

The Psychology Behind Donald Trump's Unwavering Support | Psychology Today

 

[antifa]

It would be easier for me to tell you what leadership is not.

Yes, of course, which is why you're part of the "brand name antifa"...a self admitted "LEADERLESS MOVEMENT", which means that you're really just good at being parasites to the Left and good at tearing shit down, but when the time comes to sit at the table and hammer out solid ideas for leadership, you're fucking bankrupt.

You're no friends to liberals, you're just anarchists, and you're the best thing to ever happen to the Right Wing Propaganda Machine, because they see you as a clever means of painting all liberals.

You're in NO WAY anything like the real actual antifa movement that rose up in Europe in the old days, you're just a bunch of spoiled kids who live in Mommy's basement.

And here's a solid time tested BET:
Within FIVE YEARS (it's a cycle, a continuous one) HALF of all the people you know in the antifa movement will have decided that it's not worth it, and they will believe that THIS IS WHAT LIBERALISM IS ALL ABOUT and they'll decide it's a failure, and those people will become a part of the extremist Right, because that is WHERE the extreme Right GETS most of its followers, from people who FAILED at being liberals, or FAILED at being anarchists.

All or nearly all of the Reagan Era neoconservatives started out as "young communists" or "young socialists" or young members of anarchist groups such as yourselves. They accomplished NOTHING, they achieved NOTHING, because radical groups on either end of the spectrum refuse to compromise, or reach across in pursuit of common ground, and they reject leadership.
IT IS WHAT THEY DO, it is what they ALWAYS DO and always HAVE done throughout history.

What your bunch doesn't seem to understand is, people are mostly mainstream, mostly independent, and they mostly grasp a wide palette of political views.
They may have liberal views on some issues, conservative views on others, but the bell curve is biggest in the middle.
That is human nature and it's not going to change.
What does change is that the center can slowly and deliberately migrate somewhat to the Right or to the Left over time, like a pendulum slowly swinging.

Our democracy works best when people work together for the good of the country, country over party, country over ideology, country over extremism.
Sooner or later, some of you will be forced to think about how to lead and where to lead FROM. You can't just tear shit down and light shit on fire forever.
You're not helping make the Nazis and Klansmen look bad, you're giving them a reason to live, a justification for their existence.

I identify as "anti fascist" but I will never ever be a member of your brand name clique called the antifa. My father killed seven fascists right before taking two Nazi bullets to the neck and earning a Purple Heart.
He is a thousand times the "antifa" you guys dream of being.

Wow, you got all that from my post?

You know nothing about me. You merely took what I said and twisted it to justify your excuse for not being in the streets where the action is. Let me know when and where you are doing something to force change and I'll be there.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Trump is a fascist that doesn't give a damn about the poor.
1. Deregulate for max profit margin for the rich
2. Allow pollution
3. Remove all workers protections and consumer protection

It is all about greed. He also uses the liberterian bs when in it comes to the poor to tell them to eat cake.

Trumps a real piece of shit.

 

[Dale Smith]

Trump is a fascist that doesn't give a damn about the poor.
1. Deregulate for max profit margin for the rich
2. Allow pollution
3. Remove all workers protections and consumer protection

It is all about greed. He also uses the liberterian bs when in it comes to the poor to tell them to eat cake.

Trumps a real piece of shit.

Girl, PUHLEEZE..........you don't have the slightest fucking clue as to what is really going on. Stick to topics that you are well versed on....like cross-dressing.

 

[Dale Smith]

Why do you support illegals in our country. No other country allows illegals to roam freely? Your side lost an election over that fact. We won and our side is throwing those fuckers out and you can't do anything about it.

Trying to ‘talk’ to you is a total waste of time. Why? Because you are dishonest.

I never said I “support illegals in our country”. That’s YOUR statement, and it is an outright lie. In fact, the one area where I do support trump is in his efforts to curb immigration, legal and illegal.

Your entire post is based on the same big lie.

Imo, you’ve lost all credibility. No one wants to interact with a LIAR.

Bye.

Hope you learn to read before your eyes go bad and it's too late.

Any interaction with someone like you would be a total waste of time unless it was to ridicule your fool-fueled rants of butt-hurtness. You believe that YOU have credibility here as opposed to others that bust on a "newbie" as if your opinion carries some kind of massive weight that one should weigh and consider? Guess again, punkinpuss............guess again........

 

[monkrules]

We were formed as a republic, dumb ass..........

I’ve been reading this thread from back to front (I had a post I was checking near the end of the thread), and I found that your incomplete statement and your insult have already been answered by Checkerboard Strangler (in post #38). In fact, he has taken you apart and put you back together in several posts, later on in this thread.

Most relevant to your statement CS states in post #38:

“Yes, of course the US was formed as a republic, a republic with a representative form of government which is democratically elected.”

Then he goes on to expand on his statement. He answered your post far better than I could. So go there, read... and learn.

You, Dale Smith, are very quick to accuse others of being a “dumb ass”. You’ve done so in two or three of your posts to this thread alone, so I’m sure you attack other people this way as part of what is a bad personal habit. But my experience is that when someone does that, it soon becomes clear that the accuser is almost always the “dumb ass” if there is one to be found in the exchange. And that has proved true in your case, in this thread.

There is another post, #66, in which the poster added a few links to interesting and enlightening information. I hope you’ll take the time to read these posts (38 & 66) for your edification.

In fact, if you are a tenth as smart as you seem to think you are, you should offer a worthwhile payment to Checkerboard Strangler in exchange for tutoring you in all aspects of the subjects you have written about in this thread. That is, of course, if he is willing to tutor you.

Remember, it is never too late to learn, even for you, dumb ass...........

 

[Dale Smith]

We were formed as a republic, dumb ass..........

I’ve been reading this thread from back to front (I had a post I was checking near the end of the thread), and I found that your incomplete statement and your insult have already been answered by Checkerboard Strangler (in post #38). In fact, he has taken you apart and put you back together in several posts, later on in this thread.

Most relevant to your statement CS states in post #38:

“Yes, of course the US was formed as a republic, a republic with a representative form of government which is democratically elected.”

Then he goes on to expand on his statement. He answered your post far better than I could. So go there, read... and learn.

You, Dale Smith, are very quick to accuse others of being a “dumb ass”. You’ve done so in two or three of your posts to this thread alone, so I’m sure you attack other people this way as part of what is a bad personal habit. But my experience is that when someone does that, it soon becomes clear that the accuser is almost always the “dumb ass” if there is one to be found in the exchange. And that has proved true in your case, in this thread.

There is another post, #66, in which the poster added a few links to interesting and enlightening information. I hope you’ll take the time to read these posts (38 & 66) for your edification.

In fact, if you are a tenth as smart as you seem to think you are, you should offer a worthwhile payment to Checkerboard Strangler in exchange for tutoring you in all aspects of the subjects you have written about in this thread. That is, of course, if he is willing to tutor you.

Remember, it is never too late to learn, even for you, dumb ass...........

I am infinitely more informed than the jackass whose ass you are kissing........I noticed that you left out MY replies while ignoring that the above mentioned poster has abandoned the thread. I guaran-fucking-tee you that I understand and comprehend more than you by a factor of at least a thousand. Debate me....engage me in an honest discussion and let's allow the board masses to come to their own conclusions as to the winner.........what say ye?

 

[monkrules]

Any interaction with someone like you would be a total waste of time unless it was to ridicule your fool-fueled rants of butt-hurtness. You believe that YOU have credibility here as opposed to others that bust on a "newbie" as if your opinion carries some kind of massive weight that one should weigh and consider? Guess again, punkinpuss............guess again........

Grow up asshole.

You've insulted people in nearly every message you've posted to this thread. You're an ignorant waste of space. And if you had a brain, you'd know it.

 

[Dale Smith]

Any interaction with someone like you would be a total waste of time unless it was to ridicule your fool-fueled rants of butt-hurtness. You believe that YOU have credibility here as opposed to others that bust on a "newbie" as if your opinion carries some kind of massive weight that one should weigh and consider? Guess again, punkinpuss............guess again........

Grow up asshole.

You've insulted people in nearly every message you've posted to this thread. You're an ignorant waste of space. And if you had a brain, you'd know it.

I only insult those like you that deserve it because your ignorance IS an insult. You and those of your ilk are nothing BUT butt-hurt sore losers that couldn't pour piss out of a boot even if you had a youtube tutorial explaining how to.


Any further questions, dipshit? Let me know......I am here to help.......it's what I do because I am a "giver".

 

[monkrules]

I am infinitely more informed than the jackass whose ass you are kissing........I noticed that you left out MY replies while ignoring that the above mentioned poster has abandoned the thread. I guaran-fucking-tee you that I understand and comprehend more than you by a factor of at least a thousand. Debate me....engage me in an honest discussion and let's allow the board masses to come to their own conclusions as to the winner.........what say ye?

I say you're an ignorant imbecile who is capable only of hurling insults rather than trying to add something of value to a thread. You are incapable of an honest discussion because you're an asshole. You shouldn't even be allowed on this board. How many members have put your dumb ass on Ignore? Fool.

 

[monkrules]

I only insult those like you that deserve it because your ignorance IS an insult. You and those of your ilk are nothing BUT butt-hurt sore losers that couldn't pour piss out of a boot even if you had a youtube tutorial explaining how to.

Any further questions, dipshit? Let me know......I am here to help.......it's what I do because I am a "giver".

A giver of what, bitch, STDs?

Every post only goes to prove that you're a LOSER. You obviously have nothing of value to add, to ANY situation.

It must be truly sad to be you.

Bye, loser...

 

[Dale Smith]

I am infinitely more informed than the jackass whose ass you are kissing........I noticed that you left out MY replies while ignoring that the above mentioned poster has abandoned the thread. I guaran-fucking-tee you that I understand and comprehend more than you by a factor of at least a thousand. Debate me....engage me in an honest discussion and let's allow the board masses to come to their own conclusions as to the winner.........what say ye?

I say you're an ignorant imbecile who is capable only of hurling insults rather than trying to add something of value to a thread. You are incapable of an honest discussion because you're an asshole. You shouldn't even be allowed on this board. How many members have put your dumb ass on Ignore? Fool.

You can "say" in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first. The day that some troll like you gets a "say" on whom can or cannot post in this forum is the day that I leave voluntarily. As far as posting something of value or something that is thought provoking? I have posted over 15,000 messages here (and when I am not busting on douche trolls such as yourself) I am dropping massive truth bombs here and jaw dropping information. I have a more positive rating points than I have posts....so to sum up your lame flame game? I am BY far a better asset to this forum than you could ever hope to be because I have made it my business to know the things that I do....."Stay down, Luke!!!.......Stay down"..........may be a bit of a dated reference but this is where you need to "bow out"...capiche'?

 

[Esmeralda]

Now trump and the DOJ want to screw up the Census count by adding questions about citizenship. This will discourage many people from answering the questions and will undercut trust in the system.

A scary line in the second paragraph states that trump wants to appoint a hack to head the bureau who doesn't believe in "competetive" elections. That's all we need, trump to help destroy our democratic electoral process.

The article is well worth a read. The link is at the bottom of this post.

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From the article:

“People are not going to come out to be counted because they’re going to be fearful the information would be used for negative purposes,” said Steve Jost, a former top bureau official during the 2010 census. “This line about enforcing voting rights is a new and scary twist.” He noted that since the first census in 1790, the goal has been to count everyone in the country, not just citizens.

There have been rumblings since the beginning of the year that the Trump administration wanted to add a citizenship question to the census. Adding to the concerns about the 2020 count, Politico reported last month that the administration may appoint to a top job at the bureau a Republican redistricting expert who wrote a book called “Redistricting and Representation: Why Competitive Elections Are Bad for America.” The Census Bureau’s population count determines how the 435 U.S. House seats are distributed.

Trump Justice Department Pushes for Citizenship Question on Census, Alarming Experts — ProPublica

Trump's goals:

1 - more fame for Trump (accomplished);

2 - more power for Trump (to do);

3 - more tax cuts for Trump (partly accomplished);

4 - more tax cuts for the rich (accomplished)j;

5 - defeat ACA (partly accomplished);

6 - feed his ego daily (accomplished);

7 - seem important (partly accomplished);

8 - nominate more strict constructionist judges (resounding success so far);

9 - eliminate Obama presidential directives (resounding success so far);

10 - get re-elected (seems unlikely but then getting elected seemed unlikely too) !!

All true. He doesn't give a flying fuck about this country or the people of this country, except his extremely wealthy friends. It's all about him and his ego.

 

[Baron]

Now trump and the DOJ want to screw up the Census count by adding questions about citizenship. This will discourage many people from answering the questions and will undercut trust in the system.

A scary line in the second paragraph states that trump wants to appoint a hack to head the bureau who doesn't believe in "competetive" elections. That's all we need, trump to help destroy our democratic electoral process.

The article is well worth a read. The link is at the bottom of this post.

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From the article:

“People are not going to come out to be counted because they’re going to be fearful the information would be used for negative purposes,” said Steve Jost, a former top bureau official during the 2010 census. “This line about enforcing voting rights is a new and scary twist.” He noted that since the first census in 1790, the goal has been to count everyone in the country, not just citizens.

There have been rumblings since the beginning of the year that the Trump administration wanted to add a citizenship question to the census. Adding to the concerns about the 2020 count, Politico reported last month that the administration may appoint to a top job at the bureau a Republican redistricting expert who wrote a book called “Redistricting and Representation: Why Competitive Elections Are Bad for America.” The Census Bureau’s population count determines how the 435 U.S. House seats are distributed.

Trump Justice Department Pushes for Citizenship Question on Census, Alarming Experts — ProPublica

The goal of Trump is to involve USA in WWIII
Trump is an imbecile doormat of Deep State and must be impeached.

 

[DrLove]

there is no legal means to validate presidential elections by popular vote. Ain't worth the asswipe to record it on.

Of course a popular vote can be validated. It's the same system by which we elect everyone else. The EC needs to go. Tis one of the last vestiges of slavery.

Electoral College was adopted in order to provide slave states with a disproportionately loud voice. The convention had already decided to allow each slave state to count an African-American slave as three-fifths of a person for the purpose of awarding seats in the House of Representatives. By apportioning the Electoral College so that every state got one electoral vote for each House district, plus two extra for each of its senators, the slave states were able to use their captive black populations to bolster their influence in presidential elections.​

Yes, The Electoral College Really Is A Vestige Of Slavery. It's Time To Get Rid Of It.
Electoral College is 'vestige' of slavery, say some Constitutional scholars