Is Trump ordering a retreat ... again?

[Sandy Shanks]

We should all remember that Vladimir Putin wanted Trump to be our President, and he helped Trump a great deal in 2016. In terms of dividing America, Trump is doing more than any Russian agent from the FSB (Russian intelligence). Putin is enormously pleased with Trump's performance, not the least of which were Trump's efforts to isolate America and cut us off from our traditional Western allies.

Vladimir Putin must be enormously pleased with Trump as it appears from multiple sources that Trump is ordering still another retreat while in the process of weakening the incoming American President by withholding the transition process.

ABC News reports, "The Pentagon is expecting orders by the end of this week that will reduce troop levels to 2,500 in Afghanistan and 2,500 in Iraq by mid-January, according to two U.S. officials.

"President Donald Trump is expected to issue the orders for the reduction in troop levels in both countries later this week, according to both U.S. officials."

Now we know why Trump fired Secretary of Defense Mark Esper.

The Post reports, " After consulting with senior military officers, Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper sent a classified memo to the White House this month expressing concerns about additional cuts, according to two senior U.S. officials familiar with the discussion. Conditions on the ground were not yet right, Esper wrote, citing the ongoing violence, possible dangers to the remaining troops in the event of a rapid pullout, potential damage to alliances and apprehension about undercutting the negotiations.

"Days after Trump lost his reelection bid, he fired Esper. Trump, refusing to concede the election, has since allowed a purge of other top officials for policy and intelligence at the Pentagon serving under Esper, with several hardened loyalists to the president taking their place."

The troop levels in Afghanistan and Iraq were to be down to 2,500 each by Jan. 15

The Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mark Milley said recently, "We are unique among armies, we are unique among militaries. We do not take an oath to a king or queen, or tyrant or dictator, we do not take an oath to an individual. No, we do not take an oath to a country, a tribe or a religion."

The top commanders, including CENTCOM and the joints chiefs, agree with Esper. The likely possibility is that the Pentagon will drag its feet -- military withdrawals don't happen overnight -- and, when the President-elect takes office on Jan. 20, he will rescind the order and establish his own policies regarding Afghanistan and Iraq.

In any case, commanders will not be in any hurry to comply with an order with which they sharply disagree and is likely to cost the lives of American troops.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

We should all remember that Vladimir Putin wanted Trump to be our President, and he helped Trump a great deal in 2016. In terms of dividing America, Trump is doing more than any Russian agent from the FSB (Russian intelligence). Putin is enormously pleased with Trump's performance, not the least of which were Trump's efforts to isolate America and cut us off from our traditional Western allies.

Vladimir Putin must be enormously pleased with Trump as it appears from multiple sources that Trump is ordering still another retreat while in the process of weakening the incoming American President by withholding the transition process.

ABC News reports, "The Pentagon is expecting orders by the end of this week that will reduce troop levels to 2,500 in Afghanistan and 2,500 in Iraq by mid-January, according to two U.S. officials.

"President Donald Trump is expected to issue the orders for the reduction in troop levels in both countries later this week, according to both U.S. officials."

Now we know why Trump fired Secretary of Defense Mark Esper.

The Post reports, " After consulting with senior military officers, Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper sent a classified memo to the White House this month expressing concerns about additional cuts, according to two senior U.S. officials familiar with the discussion. Conditions on the ground were not yet right, Esper wrote, citing the ongoing violence, possible dangers to the remaining troops in the event of a rapid pullout, potential damage to alliances and apprehension about undercutting the negotiations.

"Days after Trump lost his reelection bid, he fired Esper. Trump, refusing to concede the election, has since allowed a purge of other top officials for policy and intelligence at the Pentagon serving under Esper, with several hardened loyalists to the president taking their place."

The troop levels in Afghanistan and Iraq were to be down to 2,500 each by Jan. 15

The Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mark Milley said recently, "We are unique among armies, we are unique among militaries. We do not take an oath to a king or queen, or tyrant or dictator, we do not take an oath to an individual. No, we do not take an oath to a country, a tribe or a religion."

The top commanders, including CENTCOM and the joints chiefs, agree with Esper. The likely possibility is that the Pentagon will drag its feet -- military withdrawals don't happen overnight -- and, when the President-elect takes office on Jan. 20, he will rescind the order and establish his own policies regarding Afghanistan and Iraq.

In any case, commanders will not be in any hurry to comply with an order with which they sharply disagree and is likely to cost the lives of American troops.

Yep. We made a mistake getting into Afghanistan and Iraq. Now we're going to make another one by pulling out and not having the necessary preventative measure in place to prevent..oh say..another 9/11 if it winds up to that.

Esper memo warned conditions weren't met for withdrawal from Afghanistan

Then-Secretary of Defense Mark Esper sent a classified memo earlier this month to the White House asserting that it was the unanimous recommendation of the chain of command that the US not draw down its troop presence in Afghanistan any further until conditions were met, sources familiar with...

www.cnn.com

 

[Oddball]

Gotta love the moonbats getting their Bushbot neocon warmonger on!

 

[jc456]

We should all remember that Vladimir Putin wanted Trump to be our President, and he helped Trump a great deal in 2016

What did Putin do?

 

[okfine]

We should all remember that Vladimir Putin wanted Trump to be our President, and he helped Trump a great deal in 2016. In terms of dividing America, Trump is doing more than any Russian agent from the FSB (Russian intelligence). Putin is enormously pleased with Trump's performance, not the least of which were Trump's efforts to isolate America and cut us off from our traditional Western allies.

Vladimir Putin must be enormously pleased with Trump as it appears from multiple sources that Trump is ordering still another retreat while in the process of weakening the incoming American President by withholding the transition process.

ABC News reports, "The Pentagon is expecting orders by the end of this week that will reduce troop levels to 2,500 in Afghanistan and 2,500 in Iraq by mid-January, according to two U.S. officials.

"President Donald Trump is expected to issue the orders for the reduction in troop levels in both countries later this week, according to both U.S. officials."

Now we know why Trump fired Secretary of Defense Mark Esper.

The Post reports, " After consulting with senior military officers, Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper sent a classified memo to the White House this month expressing concerns about additional cuts, according to two senior U.S. officials familiar with the discussion. Conditions on the ground were not yet right, Esper wrote, citing the ongoing violence, possible dangers to the remaining troops in the event of a rapid pullout, potential damage to alliances and apprehension about undercutting the negotiations.

"Days after Trump lost his reelection bid, he fired Esper. Trump, refusing to concede the election, has since allowed a purge of other top officials for policy and intelligence at the Pentagon serving under Esper, with several hardened loyalists to the president taking their place."

The troop levels in Afghanistan and Iraq were to be down to 2,500 each by Jan. 15

The Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mark Milley said recently, "We are unique among armies, we are unique among militaries. We do not take an oath to a king or queen, or tyrant or dictator, we do not take an oath to an individual. No, we do not take an oath to a country, a tribe or a religion."

The top commanders, including CENTCOM and the joints chiefs, agree with Esper. The likely possibility is that the Pentagon will drag its feet -- military withdrawals don't happen overnight -- and, when the President-elect takes office on Jan. 20, he will rescind the order and establish his own policies regarding Afghanistan and Iraq.

In any case, commanders will not be in any hurry to comply with an order with which they sharply disagree and is likely to cost the lives of American troops.

Trump and all those supposed promises are vaporizing.

 

[johngaltshrugged]

So getting us into wars is fantastic but trying to get out again is bad?
What you fail to understand is we no longer really need the ME.
We are energy independent so why no let them take care of their own problems?
It's not like they need us there to kill each other. At least we won't get caught in the crossfire or used as a target for the crazies.

 

[Flash]

 

[22lcidw]

We should all remember that Vladimir Putin wanted Trump to be our President, and he helped Trump a great deal in 2016. In terms of dividing America, Trump is doing more than any Russian agent from the FSB (Russian intelligence). Putin is enormously pleased with Trump's performance, not the least of which were Trump's efforts to isolate America and cut us off from our traditional Western allies.

Vladimir Putin must be enormously pleased with Trump as it appears from multiple sources that Trump is ordering still another retreat while in the process of weakening the incoming American President by withholding the transition process.

ABC News reports, "The Pentagon is expecting orders by the end of this week that will reduce troop levels to 2,500 in Afghanistan and 2,500 in Iraq by mid-January, according to two U.S. officials.

"President Donald Trump is expected to issue the orders for the reduction in troop levels in both countries later this week, according to both U.S. officials."

Now we know why Trump fired Secretary of Defense Mark Esper.

The Post reports, " After consulting with senior military officers, Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper sent a classified memo to the White House this month expressing concerns about additional cuts, according to two senior U.S. officials familiar with the discussion. Conditions on the ground were not yet right, Esper wrote, citing the ongoing violence, possible dangers to the remaining troops in the event of a rapid pullout, potential damage to alliances and apprehension about undercutting the negotiations.

"Days after Trump lost his reelection bid, he fired Esper. Trump, refusing to concede the election, has since allowed a purge of other top officials for policy and intelligence at the Pentagon serving under Esper, with several hardened loyalists to the president taking their place."

The troop levels in Afghanistan and Iraq were to be down to 2,500 each by Jan. 15

The Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mark Milley said recently, "We are unique among armies, we are unique among militaries. We do not take an oath to a king or queen, or tyrant or dictator, we do not take an oath to an individual. No, we do not take an oath to a country, a tribe or a religion."

The top commanders, including CENTCOM and the joints chiefs, agree with Esper. The likely possibility is that the Pentagon will drag its feet -- military withdrawals don't happen overnight -- and, when the President-elect takes office on Jan. 20, he will rescind the order and establish his own policies regarding Afghanistan and Iraq.

In any case, commanders will not be in any hurry to comply with an order with which they sharply disagree and is likely to cost the lives of American troops.

Yep. We made a mistake getting into Afghanistan and Iraq. Now we're going to make another one by pulling out and not having the necessary preventative measure in place to prevent..oh say..another 9/11 if it winds up to that.

Esper memo warned conditions weren't met for withdrawal from Afghanistan

Then-Secretary of Defense Mark Esper sent a classified memo earlier this month to the White House asserting that it was the unanimous recommendation of the chain of command that the US not draw down its troop presence in Afghanistan any further until conditions were met, sources familiar with...

www.cnn.com

Bwhahahha! When a family of 4 earning 50 thousand a year is paying a few thousand dollars more in taxes whether in front or behind the scenes for Global Warming the pain will start to be felt.

 

[jc456]

We should all remember that Vladimir Putin wanted Trump to be our President, and he helped Trump a great deal in 2016. In terms of dividing America, Trump is doing more than any Russian agent from the FSB (Russian intelligence). Putin is enormously pleased with Trump's performance, not the least of which were Trump's efforts to isolate America and cut us off from our traditional Western allies.

Vladimir Putin must be enormously pleased with Trump as it appears from multiple sources that Trump is ordering still another retreat while in the process of weakening the incoming American President by withholding the transition process.

ABC News reports, "The Pentagon is expecting orders by the end of this week that will reduce troop levels to 2,500 in Afghanistan and 2,500 in Iraq by mid-January, according to two U.S. officials.

"President Donald Trump is expected to issue the orders for the reduction in troop levels in both countries later this week, according to both U.S. officials."

Now we know why Trump fired Secretary of Defense Mark Esper.

The Post reports, " After consulting with senior military officers, Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper sent a classified memo to the White House this month expressing concerns about additional cuts, according to two senior U.S. officials familiar with the discussion. Conditions on the ground were not yet right, Esper wrote, citing the ongoing violence, possible dangers to the remaining troops in the event of a rapid pullout, potential damage to alliances and apprehension about undercutting the negotiations.

"Days after Trump lost his reelection bid, he fired Esper. Trump, refusing to concede the election, has since allowed a purge of other top officials for policy and intelligence at the Pentagon serving under Esper, with several hardened loyalists to the president taking their place."

The troop levels in Afghanistan and Iraq were to be down to 2,500 each by Jan. 15

The Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mark Milley said recently, "We are unique among armies, we are unique among militaries. We do not take an oath to a king or queen, or tyrant or dictator, we do not take an oath to an individual. No, we do not take an oath to a country, a tribe or a religion."

The top commanders, including CENTCOM and the joints chiefs, agree with Esper. The likely possibility is that the Pentagon will drag its feet -- military withdrawals don't happen overnight -- and, when the President-elect takes office on Jan. 20, he will rescind the order and establish his own policies regarding Afghanistan and Iraq.

In any case, commanders will not be in any hurry to comply with an order with which they sharply disagree and is likely to cost the lives of American troops.

Trump and all those supposed promises are vaporizing.

Three scotus picks. Thanks

 

[jc456]

Did

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Trump promised to bring the military home? The OP said he wasn’t keeping his promises and then complains he is! Folks, can’t get any more nuts then the OP

 

[JGalt]

We should all remember that Vladimir Putin wanted Trump to be our President, and he helped Trump a great deal in 2016

What did Putin do?

Putin made the left believe there were Russians lurking everywhere: On USMB, under their beds, in their closets, in their attics and basement...

I'd be rich now if I had a dime for every time some leftard idiot on here called me a "Russian troll."

Except that it wasn't Putin who made them believe that, it was our own media, and the leftards gobbled it up like Halloween candy. They still earnestly believe that to this very day.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

ABC News reports, "The Pentagon is expecting orders by the end of this week that will reduce troop levels to 2,500 in Afghanistan and 2,500 in Iraq by mid-January, according to two U.S. officials.

Or is this a change of subject and just another meaningless threat From Trump?

Both have been consistent products of the Trump administration for the past four years.

For the past two weeks Trump has received enormous heat -- even from Republican sources and conservative media -- to quit with his fantasies and acknowledge the realism of the election. There have been righteous accusations that Trump has lost interest in governing and is obsessed with fantasies the election was fraudulent and that he won.

Under such circumstances Trump has been know to throw out a red herring, a wild change of subject that is designed to capture the news cycle and take some of the heat off.

It goes to Trump's intellectual capacity that he would choose a ridiculous order that is contrary to his military commanders for the mere purpose of changing the subject. However, no one would be surprised. Trump really isn't that sharp.

Considering the enormous criticism he is getting from all quarters, it is conceivable this was a trial balloon, and he will back down ungracefully. After all, this is not coming from from Trump. It is coming from "two U.S. officials," two nameless U.S, officials.

Trump has pulled that stunt before, too ... countless times.

Who knows what goes on in Trump's head? One can only guess.

 

[jc456]

ABC News reports, "The Pentagon is expecting orders by the end of this week that will reduce troop levels to 2,500 in Afghanistan and 2,500 in Iraq by mid-January, according to two U.S. officials.

Or is this a change of subject and just another meaningless threat From Trump?

Both have been consistent products of the Trump administration for the past four years.

For the past two weeks Trump has received enormous heat -- even from Republican sources and conservative media -- to quit with his fantasies and acknowledge the realism of the election. There have been righteous accusations that Trump has lost interest in governing and is obsessed with fantasies the election was fraudulent and that he won.

Under such circumstances Trump has been know to throw out a red herring, a wild change of subject that is designed to capture the news cycle and take some of the heat off.

It goes to Trump's intellectual capacity that he would choose a ridiculous order that is contrary to his military commanders for the mere purpose of changing the subject. However, no one would be surprised. Trump really isn't that sharp.

Considering the enormous criticism he is getting from all quarters, it is conceivable this was a trial balloon, and he will back down ungracefully. After all, this is not coming from from Trump. It is coming from "two U.S. officials," two nameless U.S, officials.

Trump has pulled that stunt before, too ... countless times.

Who knows what goes on in Trump's head? One can only guess.

Exactly what’s the issue you’re trying to address?

 

[Sandy Shanks]

The OP said he wasn’t keeping his promises and then complains he is!

I did? Where did I say Trump wasn't keeping his promises?

I am not complaining. I wrote a report with sources.

 

[Wyatt earp]

ABC News reports, "The Pentagon is expecting orders by the end of this week that will reduce troop levels to 2,500 in Afghanistan and 2,500 in Iraq by mid-January, according to two U.S. officials.

Or is this a change of subject and just another meaningless threat From Trump?

Both have been consistent products of the Trump administration for the past four years.

For the past two weeks Trump has received enormous heat -- even from Republican sources and conservative media -- to quit with his fantasies and acknowledge the realism of the election. There have been righteous accusations that Trump has lost interest in governing and is obsessed with fantasies the election was fraudulent and that he won.

Under such circumstances Trump has been know to throw out a red herring, a wild change of subject that is designed to capture the news cycle and take some of the heat off.

It goes to Trump's intellectual capacity that he would choose a ridiculous order that is contrary to his military commanders for the mere purpose of changing the subject. However, no one would be surprised. Trump really isn't that sharp.

Considering the enormous criticism he is getting from all quarters, it is conceivable this was a trial balloon, and he will back down ungracefully. After all, this is not coming from from Trump. It is coming from "two U.S. officials," two nameless U.S, officials.

Trump has pulled that stunt before, too ... countless times.

Who knows what goes on in Trump's head? One can only guess.

A red herring ?

Trump's entire ideology was no more wars..

 

[JGalt]

ABC News reports, "The Pentagon is expecting orders by the end of this week that will reduce troop levels to 2,500 in Afghanistan and 2,500 in Iraq by mid-January, according to two U.S. officials.

Or is this a change of subject and just another meaningless threat From Trump?

Both have been consistent products of the Trump administration for the past four years.

For the past two weeks Trump has received enormous heat -- even from Republican sources and conservative media -- to quit with his fantasies and acknowledge the realism of the election. There have been righteous accusations that Trump has lost interest in governing and is obsessed with fantasies the election was fraudulent and that he won.

Under such circumstances Trump has been know to throw out a red herring, a wild change of subject that is designed to capture the news cycle and take some of the heat off.

It goes to Trump's intellectual capacity that he would choose a ridiculous order that is contrary to his military commanders for the mere purpose of changing the subject. However, no one would be surprised. Trump really isn't that sharp.

Considering the enormous criticism he is getting from all quarters, it is conceivable this was a trial balloon, and he will back down ungracefully. After all, this is not coming from from Trump. It is coming from "two U.S. officials," two nameless U.S, officials.

Trump has pulled that stunt before, too ... countless times.

Who knows what goes on in Trump's head? One can only guess.

A red herring ?

Trump's entire ideology was no more wars..

He did after all run on ending our involvement in wars.

Promises made, promises kept.

 

[JGalt]

We should all remember that Vladimir Putin wanted Trump to be our President, and he helped Trump a great deal in 2016. In terms of dividing America, Trump is doing more than any Russian agent from the FSB (Russian intelligence). Putin is enormously pleased with Trump's performance, not the least of which were Trump's efforts to isolate America and cut us off from our traditional Western allies.

Vladimir Putin must be enormously pleased with Trump as it appears from multiple sources that Trump is ordering still another retreat while in the process of weakening the incoming American President by withholding the transition process.

ABC News reports, "The Pentagon is expecting orders by the end of this week that will reduce troop levels to 2,500 in Afghanistan and 2,500 in Iraq by mid-January, according to two U.S. officials.

"President Donald Trump is expected to issue the orders for the reduction in troop levels in both countries later this week, according to both U.S. officials."

Now we know why Trump fired Secretary of Defense Mark Esper.

The Post reports, " After consulting with senior military officers, Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper sent a classified memo to the White House this month expressing concerns about additional cuts, according to two senior U.S. officials familiar with the discussion. Conditions on the ground were not yet right, Esper wrote, citing the ongoing violence, possible dangers to the remaining troops in the event of a rapid pullout, potential damage to alliances and apprehension about undercutting the negotiations.

"Days after Trump lost his reelection bid, he fired Esper. Trump, refusing to concede the election, has since allowed a purge of other top officials for policy and intelligence at the Pentagon serving under Esper, with several hardened loyalists to the president taking their place."

The troop levels in Afghanistan and Iraq were to be down to 2,500 each by Jan. 15

The Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mark Milley said recently, "We are unique among armies, we are unique among militaries. We do not take an oath to a king or queen, or tyrant or dictator, we do not take an oath to an individual. No, we do not take an oath to a country, a tribe or a religion."

The top commanders, including CENTCOM and the joints chiefs, agree with Esper. The likely possibility is that the Pentagon will drag its feet -- military withdrawals don't happen overnight -- and, when the President-elect takes office on Jan. 20, he will rescind the order and establish his own policies regarding Afghanistan and Iraq.

In any case, commanders will not be in any hurry to comply with an order with which they sharply disagree and is likely to cost the lives of American troops.

Yep. We made a mistake getting into Afghanistan and Iraq. Now we're going to make another one by pulling out and not having the necessary preventative measure in place to prevent..oh say..another 9/11 if it winds up to that.

Esper memo warned conditions weren't met for withdrawal from Afghanistan

Then-Secretary of Defense Mark Esper sent a classified memo earlier this month to the White House asserting that it was the unanimous recommendation of the chain of command that the US not draw down its troop presence in Afghanistan any further until conditions were met, sources familiar with...

www.cnn.com

So why don't you put on your little booties and go over there yourself? You can hold down the fort while we're gone and holler if them mean old Taliban show up.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

Exactly what’s the issue you’re trying to address?

The issue is keeping readers informed concerning this matter.

Do you have a problem with that?

 

[Sandy Shanks]

Trump's entire ideology was no more wars..

He did after all run on ending our involvement in wars.

Promises made, promises kept.

This is not how you do it. Firing the secretary of defense and key members of his staff then ordering a retreat is not how you end wars.

That is how a more serious wars breaks out.

Wars end when the enemy is defeated or solid agreements are made with the adversary.

Ordering a retreat contrary to the top military commanders is foolish. The President should be coordinating with his top commanders, not making a snap decision that threatens our national security.

The fact that some don't know all this proves they voted for Trump.

However, along with Trump's fans, Vladimir Putin is enormously pleased about all this.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

Or is this a change of subject and just another meaningless threat From Trump?

Both have been consistent products of the Trump administration for the past four years.

For the past two weeks Trump has received enormous heat -- even from Republican sources and conservative media -- to quit with his fantasies and acknowledge the realism of the election. There have been righteous accusations that Trump has lost interest in governing and is obsessed with fantasies the election was fraudulent and that he won.

The AP reports, " U.S. officials said military leaders were told over the weekend about the planned withdrawals and that an executive order is in the works but has not yet been delivered to commanders. Officials cautioned that there could always be changes, and Trump is known to make snap decisions based on media reports and online chatter."

Great minds think alike.