Is This The Fulfilling Of The Mark Of The Beast Prophecy?

[james bond]

It's the words written by the power of the Holy Spirit. Instead of cash or charge, it will be hand or forehead. Besides, our society benefits from going cashless as long as the government doesn't abuse the power.

What is being bought and sold? I don't see where it says "government", "cash" or "charge" anywhere in that prophecy.

Its not the government who "abuse the power". Its the financiers that help finance the governments and put many governments into debt whenever and where ever they can. Why should a city council be allowed to issue a public contract to any company who operates as a tax haven? Why isn't there a registrar containing the identities of company owners, their trust and their foundations? Everybody talks about transparency these days but nobody wants to talk about deals and secret agreements between companies or governments. Why aren't multinational companies required to publish country by country reports? Shouldn't that be available to the public what with transparency and all? In your opinion what would be wrong with introducing automatic financial and investment information exchanges between all of the countries? It you want to make "book" on prophecy then you better be willing to open your books. Why? I have every right to know whose crystal ball you plan on using.

See post #111 for some benefits, but the government controls money and regulates its exchange. It has the power to stop you from owning gold, silver, or other precious items of value for exchange. We are going into bitcoins and other currency, but they will probably rendered obsolete. We don't know as that isn't related to the prophecy:

"16 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave,5 qto be marked on the right hand or the forehead, 17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, rthe name of the beast or sthe number of its name." Revelation 13:16-17

One can't buy or sell without it and we know the Antichrist issues, i.e. his identity is revealed, the end times version of it. What we are discovering is it is the chip.

 

[RodISHI]

It's the words written by the power of the Holy Spirit. Instead of cash or charge, it will be hand or forehead. Besides, our society benefits from going cashless as long as the government doesn't abuse the power.

What is being bought and sold? I don't see where it says "government", "cash" or "charge" anywhere in that prophecy.

Its not the government who "abuse the power". Its the financiers that help finance the governments and put many governments into debt whenever and where ever they can. Why should a city council be allowed to issue a public contract to any company who operates as a tax haven? Why isn't there a registrar containing the identities of company owners, their trust and their foundations? Everybody talks about transparency these days but nobody wants to talk about deals and secret agreements between companies or governments. Why aren't multinational companies required to publish country by country reports? Shouldn't that be available to the public what with transparency and all? In your opinion what would be wrong with introducing automatic financial and investment information exchanges between all of the countries? It you want to make "book" on prophecy then you better be willing to open your books. Why? I have every right to know whose crystal ball you plan on using.

See post #111 for some benefits, but the government controls money and regulates its exchange. It has the power to stop you from owning gold, silver, or other precious items of value for exchange. We are going into bitcoins and other currency, but they will probably rendered obsolete. We don't know as that isn't related to the prophecy:

"16 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave,5 qto be marked on the right hand or the forehead, 17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, rthe name of the beast or sthe number of its name." Revelation 13:16-17

One can't buy or sell without it and we know the Antichrist issues, i.e. his identity is revealed, the end times version of it. What we are discovering is it is the chip.

Eyes that can't see and ears that can't hear.

If you think it its in your head, if you do it its in your hand. The battle is in the mind. The mind is the battle ground.

I'll pass on your crystal ball discoveries.

 

[xyz]

Poast pics of Obama's tweet!

Like I said, you're a troll and stupid troll at that. Good riddance.

So you don't think Trump or his supporters troll a lot?

I'm worried about your mental sanity then. Seek help. Seriously.

 

[foggedinn]

No. There are many wonderful things that God has planned for us before the end. The dragon will be bound for a thousand years before the end. In our time, he roams the earth at will. After there has been peace on earth for a thousand years, he will be set loose for a short time and there will be wars and rumors of war. Then will be the time of the two witnesses, the mark, and the tribulation.

 

[The Irish Ram]

fog, you have mingled 2 separate events. The rapture, the tribulation, the mark, Satan being chained, wars, and rumors of war, and a blow by blow account of God's wrath, all pertain to the up coming war and the return of Christ to prevent the destruction of all living things on earth. Those are what we call "end time" prophesies. The return of Christ ushers in the millennium era.
There is more in the Bible about the tribulation period than any other time on earth, including when Christ walked the earth.

There is less about the millennial reign of Christ, but there is sufficient enough prophesy to understand what era we will be in.
For reasons we are not privy to, at the end of the millennial reign, Satan will be loosed for a short time.
I believe it is because when Christ returns, there will be those who lived through the tribulation and remember sin. And so sin continues until the end of the 1,000 year reign culminating in a final showdown, at which time Satan is tried and dispatched to the Lake of Fire for eternity. That takes place during the White Throne Judgement. The dead, not in Christ, are resurrected to plead their case before Christ at that time also.

 

[22lcidw]

The mark of the beast started many decades ago. It is just a slow process to get there. Whether true or not it certainly tells you how humanity acts. It tells you about buy and sell. And you are limited in employment opportunities if you do not kow tow to the masters demands.

 

[diver52]

The mark of the beast started many decades ago. It is just a slow process to get there. Whether true or not it certainly tells you how humanity acts. It tells you about buy and sell. And you are limited in employment opportunities if you do not kow tow to the masters demands.

So it started about 6500 years ago.

 

[foggedinn]

fog, you have mingled 2 separate events. The rapture, the tribulation, the mark, Satan being chained, wars, and rumors of war, and a blow by blow account of God's wrath, all pertain to the up coming war and the return of Christ to prevent the destruction of all living things on earth. Those are what we call "end time" prophesies. The return of Christ ushers in the millennium era.
There is more in the Bible about the tribulation period than any other time on earth, including when Christ walked the earth.

There is less about the millennial reign of Christ, but there is sufficient enough prophesy to understand what era we will be in.
For reasons we are not privy to, at the end of the millennial reign, Satan will be loosed for a short time.
I believe it is because when Christ returns, there will be those who lived through the tribulation and remember sin. And so sin continues until the end of the 1,000 year reign culminating in a final showdown, at which time Satan is tried and dispatched to the Lake of Fire for eternity. That takes place during the White Throne Judgement. The dead, not in Christ, are resurrected to plead their case before Christ at that time also.

Ram. Yours is certainly the more standard understanding of end times prophesy. It is not mine. I view the millennial reign of Christ as a thousand year reign of the Lords anointed. It will begin after the revelation in the Church of that man of sin. There will be many anointed ones during that thousand year period. Jesus doesn't come back until the end of this period to save us from the wrath of God for the cause of the abomination of desolation. The whole earth will be scourged and those who escape that abomination will be taken up to the city of God described at the end of the book of the Revelation. I view the city of God as an ark approx. 38 percent of the cubic volume of the moon. (1500 miles cubed with many rooms). Those taken up will be taken to a new earth with a new heaven. The new earth will have no oceans. Beyond that, nothing is revealed.

 

[22lcidw]

The mark of the beast started many decades ago. It is just a slow process to get there. Whether true or not it certainly tells you how humanity acts. It tells you about buy and sell. And you are limited in employment opportunities if you do not kow tow to the masters demands.

So it started about 6500 years ago.

ID, Social Security ID types throughout the world, Putting numbers on ID. Credit Cards, life time reports on individuals, Debit Cards, know your customer bank laws, a move to a cashless society and whatever else. We already have buy and sell in better employment if you do not sign the correct paperwork and/or take the special classes set up. Who knew that a sitting President would authorize men wearing dresses being able to rape/molest little girls in public bathrooms? Agree? Good attentions can get out of control.

 

[tyroneweaver]

We have a verse in chapter 13 in the book of Revelation (OT) as

"16 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, 17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name." Revelation 13:16-17

Are we heading towards a cashless society?

(One could argue it is right or left hand.)

Are embedded microchips dangerous? Ask the Swedes — and pets

What prophecies in the past have been fulfilled already? Do you think we missed any?

The Mark is using your 'right hand' in agreement with an evil. The one in the forehead is a Mark in your mind. The beast is that which is of the world/earthly/carnal.

Per a cashless society. I prefer cash. Too many in the pockets of others where they do not belong with a proposed cashless society.

Mark means badge of loyalty
The prophecy is easy to figure out after that

 

[diver52]

The mark of the beast started many decades ago. It is just a slow process to get there. Whether true or not it certainly tells you how humanity acts. It tells you about buy and sell. And you are limited in employment opportunities if you do not kow tow to the masters demands.

So it started about 6500 years ago.

ID, Social Security ID types throughout the world, Putting numbers on ID. Credit Cards, life time reports on individuals, Debit Cards, know your customer bank laws, a move to a cashless society and whatever else. We already have buy and sell in better employment if you do not sign the correct paperwork and/or take the special classes set up. Who knew that a sitting President would authorize men wearing dresses being able to rape/molest little girls in public bathrooms? Agree? Good attentions can get out of control.

And ice cream. Don't forget ice cream.

 

[surada]

How did kangaroos get to Noah's Ark and back after the flood?

Noah's flood is aa morality tale adapted from the earlier Gilgamesh myth.

 

[Care4all]

Mark means badge of loyalty
The prophecy is easy to figure out after that

Like the loyalty followers give to Trump, a mere man???

 

[surada]

Mark means badge of loyalty
The prophecy is easy to figure out after that

The Jews hated the Roman coin with the image of Caesar which was the coinage of the whole Roman Empire. You couldn't buy or sell without using it.

 

[The Original Tree]

The chip has a purpose. That you cannot buy or sell without it. That you can be tracked or tracked down. There is nothing non-literal about it. It has been foretold as a development prior to Christ's return. It has begun. It is a reality. Nothing fantasy about it. Nothing needs to be fulfilled for it to be brought to fruition.

Real COVID Tracking that cannot be faked.

 

[The Original Tree]

The Jews hated the Roman coin with the image of Caesar which was the coinage of the whole Roman Empire. You couldn't buy or sell without using it.

So not all the world was forced to take it like The Scriptures say, so your laughable premise that a mere coin is the mark is easily shut down. The Mark concerns The Whole World, not The Whole Roman World, Scoffer.

 

[The Original Tree]

The generation that witnesses His death, witnessed His return. Fulfilled.
Not only is He coming back, again, but we are given the exact location. The Mount of Olives. Yet to be fulfilled. There are 2,500 end time prophesies. All but 500 of those have been fulfilled.
Some one knew 2000 years ago that the time would come when money would become extinct, and that we would be marked in order to buy and sell, and where on the body the mark would be placed.

Now, mere mortal, tell me who will win the Stanley Cup next year...

Once Messiah was Cut off, there was 7 prophetic years left to be fulfilled concerning Israel. That was placed on pause until The Time of The Gentiles is fulfilled and The Gospel is preached to every corner of The Earth.

Then the prophetic clock, the last 7 years starts again.

 

[surada]

So not all the world was forced to take it like The Scriptures say, so your laughable premise that a mere coin is the mark is easily shut down. The Mark concerns The Whole World, not The Whole Roman World, Scoffer.

The Roman world was the whole world they knew.

 

[Clyde 154]

We have a verse in chapter 13 in the book of Revelation (OT) as

"16 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, 17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name." Revelation 13:16-17

Are we heading towards a cashless society?

(One could argue it is right or left hand.)

Are embedded microchips dangerous? Ask the Swedes — and pets

What prophecies in the past have been fulfilled already? Do you think we missed any?

Is there an echo?

Once again.........the book of revelation is about bringing hope to the Christians who were being persecuted during the life time of John who is revealing the things in "SYMBOLISM" in Revelation, its about overcoming the tribulations that were to SHORTLY TAKE PLACE. In fact the word for OVERCOME is found 17 times in this book of symbolism. To translate the symbolism one must find other parts of the scriptures that address the things being signified.


Marks (such as tattoos) were used among pagan cultures to denote whom a person worshiped. In Jewish tradition such marks were forbidden. "You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on your flesh." -- Lev. 19:18

One must remember.........the book of Revelation is a book based upon "symbolism" not "literalism".....or as stated "signified" (Rev. 1:1). Its a book about HOPE for the Christian churches and members who were being persecuted by the Roman Empire during this time period. Most importantly is about tribulation that would "shortly come to pass". (Rev. 1:1,3, 22:6,10). The book was drafted in the early history of the church by John while still living. Thus, Shortly is very unambiguous about "signified things".

The marks on the hand or forehead are to be taken SYMOBLICALLY.....not LITERALLY. It concerns the revelation of whom one wishes to serve and worship,, ".........If anyone worships the beast and his image (Rome), and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand....he himself shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God.........." Rev. 14 9-10

A mark on the forehead or hand is something in plain sight........demonstrating whom you are serving. Or as we might say today........WHO IS DRINKING THE KOOLAID BEING PASSED OUT?

So........in a signified manner........Revelation is not addressing literal markings but the obvious behavior of people who would worship Rome and its paganistic culture. In a literal sense Revelation is referencing the mark found in the Book of Ezekiel, "....God through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and cry over the abomin

We have a verse in chapter 13 in the book of Revelation (OT) as

"16 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, 17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name." Revelation 13:16-17

Are we heading towards a cashless society?

(One could argue it is right or left hand.)

Are embedded microchips dangerous? Ask the Swedes — and pets

What prophecies in the past have been fulfilled already? Do you think we missed any?

One must remember the book of Revelation is a book based upon symbolism not literalism. The things revealed were to take place shortly, the book was written while John was still living. (Rev. 1:1,3; 22:6,10).

Marks were used in pagan cultures to denote whom one worshiped. This is why tattoos and the cutting of marks into the skin were forbidden by the Jewish culture (Lev. 19:28). But there is a spiritual concept of marking whom belonged to whom, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God........." -- Rev. 14:9-10.

The symbolism used in Revelation is in reference to that found in the Book of Ezekiel, "Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and cry over all the abominations that are done within. " (Ez. 9:4). Here people are marked because they did not like the immorality going on around them, God had them marked to spare them from the upcoming destruction. Its in this way it used in symbolism in Revelation.

Example: "Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mt. Zion, and with one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father written on their foreheads." -- Rev. 14:1 There were no literal marks on their foreheads....its representative of whom they worshiped....the LORD GOD.

A mark on the forehead or hand is something in plain sight. Everyone notices whom this person is declaring to serve. So the symbolism in Revelation is not speaking of a literal mark on the head or hand....but the obvious and open behavior of the people who would worship and serve ROME...i.e., the beast. Not everyone was allowed to own property, vote, etc., as there was different classifications of Roman citizens.......slaves and those of non Roman Citizenship had limited rights in the Roman Empire. There were different methods to become a Roman citizen with full rights. It becomes obvious when someone is attempting to become a citizen with rights within the Empire.

Proof of Citizenship was having one's name on the Official census list. Roman Citizenship - Life in the Roman Empire

 

[Circe]

The chip has a purpose. That you cannot buy or sell without it. That you can be tracked or tracked down. There is nothing non-literal about it. It has been foretold as a development prior to Christ's return. It has begun. It is a reality. Nothing fantasy about it. Nothing needs to be fulfilled for it to be brought to fruition.

My daughter-in-law says this all the time.