Is this tape real?

[LibocalypseNow]

Lets hope and pray you Socialists/Progressives/Neocons become the Fringe at some point. That's the only thing that can save our country.

 

[sparky]

OBAMARRHOIDA

is that contagious?

~S~

 

[Truthmatters]

Lets hope and pray you Socialists/Progressives/Neocons become the Fringe at some point. That's the only thing that can save our country.

What bullshit.

The liberals of this country have improved this country just like the founders provioded for in the constitution.

Cons have tried to freeze the progress many times and failed to the betterment of this country.

 

[Truthmatters]

YouTube - George W Bush bail out plan - Part 1 Sept 24, 2008


Why do so many Rs I know claim this never happened?

Face the truth

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Socialists/Progressives support Corporate Bailouts and "Stimulus Packages" and so do Neocons. The only fools left in this country are the people who still think there are differences in these ideologies. Real Conservatism is the answer. I think more & more people are beginning to understand this.

 

[Truthmatters]

Only in youir warped mind.

It was the conservative ideas that caused this mess.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

There aren't too many real Conservatives out there at this point. If there were,we wouldn't have most of the terrible problems we see today. The real problem is that the Socialists/Progressives have infected both political parties at this point. I can't tell the difference between a Democrat and Republican anymore. Both really have become Big-Government Globalists/Internationalists. If true Conservatism comes back,i'm sure things can get better. I guess we'll see though. Make 2010 count.

 

[Truthmatters]

the American democracy is something you hate huh?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Why would i hate Democracy? Not following.

 

[Truthmatters]

Because you think the people who think like you are better than vast majority of the American people.

Your ideas dont win elections

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Doesn't mean i hate Democracy. I actually think the opposite. People can make big changes this year if they want to. 2010 could be a great year for Conservatism. If the GOP plays it smart and runs real Conservatives instead of the usual fraud Neocon/Progressive candidates,it could be an interesting year at the ballot box. I love Democracy. Can't wait to vote.

 

[American Horse]

YouTube - George W Bush bail out plan - Part 1 Sept 24, 2008
Why do so many Rs I know claim this never happened?

Face the truth

I don't know who these people are, but EVERYONE should watch the (2) VIDEOs of Bush.

Truth, this may be some personal argument you are having with someone here at USMB and this is your method of resolving it, I don't know. I personally wonder why so many people are seemingly disconnected from our history as it plays out in real time.

Anyone paying attention in real time would already know that Bush said the request would be for $700 billion, it was authorized and he drew down $350 billion. As he said TARP is the Trouble Asset Relief Program, and was to be applied against Troubled Assets. Those moneys used in that regard would be paid back by the holders of the Troubled Assets with interest. That has happened.

Bush, being the gentleman he is, before Obama took office, actually first asked President Elect Obama if he wanted him to go ahead and draw down the full amount, another $350Bn. *Obama asked that he go ahead and do that, and he did. Obama, though, used a large part of that money for other bailouts which were not Troubled Assets, like GM and Chrysler. Those funds have not been repaid.

I find it interesting that in the very first few seconds of the first video the amount of money that Blitzer stated was interrupted so that it was impossible to tell what it was. Maybe that was an accident. Maybe it was done to disrupt the audio to cast doubts on the amount. Either way I'm not attributing that to you, but to whomever posted the video on You-tube.

Finally, anyone who paid attention to both part-1 and part-2 and heard Bush's comments would've found them pretty comprehensive, and he included the problems with Fanny and Freddy I believe without a direct reference to them.

By now people are confusing the TARP and the Stimulus package. Obama is responsible for the second half of TARP and the entire Stimulus package.


*ABCNews.COM
Bush to Ask for TARP; Obama to 'Rebrand' It - By MARK MOONEY - Jan. 12, 2009 -

"President-elect Barack Obama asked President Bush today to request the release of the second $350 billion in federal bailout funds so he would have "ammunition" if the country's fragile economy weakened further.

The White House said that Bush has agreed to request the money.

Obama, speaking after a meeting with Mexican President Felipe Calderon, said it would be "irresponsible" to enter the White House without having asked Bush to request the funds. He called the cash "potential ammunition" in case the economy worsened. ...."

 

[Truthmatters]

The Tarp has worked.

It could havce worked better if Paulson had not given so much of it without any strings attached.

Bush crashed this economy and did the only thing that could have saved us buit he sure could have done it better.

Obama is doing what he can with the m ess he left was left.

The stimulus has also worked.

The right keeps insisting on lying about it all.

 

[FA_Q2]

Not one point for horse truth? You have come here to label the R’s as deniers of history and liars but you are looking like the one that wants to rewrite history and deny the truth. WE AGREE HERE THAT TARP WAS BUSHES PROGRAM. We are not your crazy friends. I have crazy leftwing lunatic friends as well but I do not come here and try an label the party with their trash and I do not want to be labeled with the trash of right wing nut jobs you know either. If there are people here that are crazy enough to deny the tarp then point them out, otherwise the OP is basically pointless as none of the righties here are going for it.

If you want to debate TARP then we can do that as well although I disagree with the TARP funds also. I do not simply bash Obama for this silliness but Bush was also guilty of similar crap. That does NOT make it right.

 

[uscitizen]

I recall seeing Bush do that speech.

Repubs are in denial to the point of being delusional.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

The Democrats have had absolute power for some time now. They even had a Super Majority for God's sake. If they were so against TARP,why didn't they just end it? Who could have stopped them? If they were so against Bailouts,why didn't they just end it? Who could have stopped them? If they were against the Patriot Act so much,why didn't they just end it? Who could have stopped them? If they hated Bush's insane spending so much,why didn't they just end insane spending too? Who could have stopped them?

The fact is,the Democrats and this President have had all the power and haven't done anything different than Bush did. It is what it is. Only a blind fool could still think that Socialists/Progressives and Neocons are really all that different. They're the same entity in the end. They're both Big-Government Globalists/Internationalists. We need real change alright. We need true Conservatism to make a big comeback. Lets hope this starts happening in 2010. I guess we'll see though.

 

[uscitizen]

Waah! Waah!

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Man for a Party that had so much absolute power,the Democrats sure do whine a lot. They had a Super Majority and could have changed anything they wanted yet they chose not to change anything. If they were so against all these terrible Bush policies,why didn't they change or end them? Like the Patriot Act for instance,the Democrats whined incessantly about how "Evil" it was back when the other side had power,yet very quietly & deviously they reauthorized the entire thing. With a Super Majority,i'm sure they could have changed or ended it if they wanted to. It's pretty hard to complain about the other side when you had all the power and didn't change anything. Well time is up now for the Dems. 10% approval rating really does say it all. Wave bye bye Dems.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

In summation...The Democrats are much better at being the Minority Party. They are clearly much better at whining & b*tchin than they are at leading. They never had any good ideas. This was true when they were the Minority and it's still true. The proof is in the pudding on this one. Who could have ever imagined them f*cking up a Super Majority so badly? Yikes!

 

[uscitizen]

How many spending bills did bush veto when the republicans held the majority in congress?
Who first brought up the neuclear option?