Is this country really what our founding fathers dreamed of?

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by Cousin Vinnie
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!?! Stick to the facts becuase you already prove to be cocky and extremely unsympathetic.

And you're an extremely wacked out socialist agitator. That's the fact, jack.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by Cousin Vinnie
Of course, my plan would call for the big-wigs only to make a million dollars a year rather than 30 million. Of course "you" wouldn't like that being a blood-sucking conservative and all. You don't give a shit about the people coming to see the game. You have proved that.

But I was merely pointing out the logistical nightmare of your plan. This would directly impact the people you claim to champion. The Bigwigs take helicopters anyway. You're a fraud.

 

[eric]

Deny you anything??? What exactly do you do? How much do you make?

I am a CEO, and you have no right to ask me about my income.

 

[Cousin Vinnie]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
I would love to be like fifty cent. What about his lifestyle would you dislike most: Being rich or having lots of sex?

That has nothing to do with what we are debating about, but since you ask. First of all, sex isn't everything. I'd rather settle down with someone and get married rather than living that kid of lifestyle. I would like being rich only for one thing, so I could give a lot of my money to those who really deserve it, and work for a more equal economy no longer corrupted by the likes of you Republicans.

 

[Comrade]

Originally posted by Cousin Vinnie
No, many of them go there by means of GREED!

So the poor are dis-enfranchised losers huh? Just the average conservative. They care about no one but the rich. It's easy for you to say that it's greed of the poor over greed of the rich. I bet you've never been financially hurting. I worked my way up from rock bottom. I grew up very poor in New York City and I am a lawyer today in Detroit. What do you think is more justified? someone that makes $10,000 a year wanting more money or someone making $10 million a year wanting more money?

It's simply how much more money are you going to get from others who have every reason not to toss out to you anything they freely accumulated by fair work. Greed has nothing to do with what you provided. Without it you would not want to provide any value for money, knowing that's what you really had to do.

As for greed, if your genes made this far you are innately a greedy organism. Your very existence depends on the greedy consumption of resources at the expense of other life, including fellow humans.

You are not going to eliminate greed, in all aspect of life. You may as well just nuke us all extinct without this trait.

Capitalism is the only system, especially under US law where it doesn't matter if your greedy or not, what you get it what others agreed to. You can't get rich from greed at all in this country, unless you intend to break the law.

Socialism uses government to override such a free market and sfeed the demand for free services from the poor. These are services the majority uses to practice a more basic form a social greed from the providers who would otherwise be paid more for their services. That is, without the government you'd actually pay more for all these services yourself. They stay in power because this is great making the few providers of real value work at a discount. Soon followed by the flight of all true genious to America as an example of a place the government won't ride your ass for being successfull.

Communist is a more advanced sickness when the greedy few rule all services from the high ivory tower. Thats when you've robbed everyone find the government elite in the high tower now will deem what you should give and what you should have.

Pick one you think you think would balance greed and social manipulation and of course don't expect you can win any way. Actually the left leaders aren't greedy just power hungry, but appealing to their followers material greed works just find in speeches.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by Cousin Vinnie
That has nothing to do with what we are debating about, but since you ask. First of all, sex isn't everything. I'd rather settle down with someone and get married rather than living that kid of lifestyle. I would like being rich only for one thing, so I could give a lot of my money to those who really deserve it, and work for a more equal economy no longer corrupted by the likes of you Republicans.

Run for office, then. You will lose. The american people no longer want to hear you socialist trash. God bless america. The people have spoken.

 

[Cousin Vinnie]

Originally posted by eric
I am a CEO, and you have no right to ask me about my income.

In other words, you definately make more than $100,000/year and you hoard your money like any selfish, sinful person.

 

[Cousin Vinnie]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
Run for office, then. You will lose. The american people no longer want to hear you socialist trash. God bless america. The people have spoken.

You wouldn't have any idea what the people of America want with your views. Wake up, not everybody on this planet agrees with you. It's quite the opposite. If I could honestly tell America that I could lower prices of goods and up their salary, they would be behind me with their life.

 

[Cousin Vinnie]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
And you're an extremely wacked out socialist agitator. That's the fact, jack.

Well, anything that would disrupt our "extremely fair and equal society" here in America you would sure be quick to disagree with!

 

[eric]

I love how you make judgements without knowing a single thing about me. Yes I do make considerably more than $100,000 a year and why shouldn't I. I took a company heading for chapter 11 and in a short couple of years turned it into a solid company. Through our growth we have been able to hire many people and give them good jobs. I worked many late nights and early mornings as I still do, I am a hands on kind of guy. I also worked many years in the IT field and my talents were taken atvantage of. Do I not deserve to now live a good life. Even though I owe you no explanation, the people who know me well, know that I live a comfortable lifestyle not an extravagent one, this by my choice. I support many charities and have done many good works, but I refuse to give away my hard earned money so that people with less motivation can enjoy the same lifestyle.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by Cousin Vinnie
You wouldn't have any idea what the people of America want with your views. Wake up, not everybody on this planet agrees with you.

They have my views already and all they want to do with them is think them. You're the detached, imbecilic child here.

It's quite the opposite. If I could honestly tell America that I could lower prices of goods and up their salary, they would be behind me with their life.

Yes but it would all last for about one week after your revolution. Then society would grind to a screeching halt, and your precious government would resort to torture, terror, fear, etc, etc to maintain control. Believe me, no one wants it. The American people are not as stupid as you are, or, I mean, as you think they are.

 

[Cousin Vinnie]

Answer this question: What do you think is more justified? a person making $10,000/year wanting more money or a person making $10 million wanting more money?

 

[Bern80]

Originally posted by Cousin Vinnie
I said it all before. If prices of goods are lower, then the rich make less and the poor make more, which would begin to close the gap between the classes. Now, I know there are always going to be richer people and poorer people in society but those terms are relative and the exact degree of rich vs. poor can change.

I encourage you then to reread my economic lesson post on page 4 and tell me what you think then.

 

[eric]

You are starting to repeat yourself !

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by Cousin Vinnie
Well, anything that would disrupt our "extremely fair and equal society" here in America you would sure be quick to disagree with!

Are you still making noise? I thought I finished you off, baby seal.

 

[Cousin Vinnie]

Originally posted by eric
I love how you make judgements without knowing a single thing about me. Yes I do make considerably more than $100,000 a year and why shouldn't I. I took a company heading for chapter 11 and in a short couple of years turned it into a solid company. Through our growth we have been able to hire many people and give them good jobs. I worked many late nights and early mornings as I still do, I am a hands on kind of guy. I also worked many years in the IT field and my talents were taken atvantage of. Do I not deserve to now live a good life. Even though I owe you no explanation, the people who know me well, know that I live a comfortable lifestyle not an extravagent one, this by my choice. I support many charities and have done many good works, but I refuse to give away my hard earned money so that people with less motivation can enjoy the same lifestyle.

I'm not talking about you as much as those who make millions every year who have a job that requires much less effort than that of a person who makes a fraction of what they do.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by Cousin Vinnie
Answer this question: What do you think is more justified? a person making $10,000/year wanting more money or a person making $10 million wanting more money?

They're both justified. Wanting more is the natural state of all living things. Next question please.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

An observation. The real Cousin Vinny was actually clever and good on his feet.

 

[Cousin Vinnie]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
Yes but it would all last for about one week after your revolution. Then society would grind to a screeching halt, and your precious government would resort to torture, terror, fear, etc, etc to maintain control.

No, that's just what has happened in the past due to nothing more than greedy, selfish leaders as you would be.

 

[Cousin Vinnie]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
They're both justified. Wanting more is the natural state of all living things. Next question please.

You know you wanted to say that the rich person wanting more is the only justified one... Don't give me that crap. All of your views on this issue answer the question for themselves.