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it can be when accomplished, something you might attempt someday.
* (Hint) it requires a practical application ....
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Why bother, these folks don't really seem interested in conversing.
This from you! This was our conversation:
Inevitable: So what is the proof for God's existence?
Rawlings: Well, consider the following, and I'll address substantive questions.
Inevitable: No!
Rawlings: But try. Let's see what happens.
Inevitable: No! There's no proof!
Rawlings: Why do you say that?
Inevitable: No! I'm not telling you!
Rawlings: Why did you ask for the proof?
Inevitable: No! There's no proof! Fingers plugging ears La-la-la-la-la, I can't hear you. You're a poop-poop head. Stop preaching at me. Stop asking me questions. Stop making me think. Stop talking about the issue of the OP, I just want to bitch and gossip about you. That's all I want to do.
Rawlings: Then piss off, you self-righteous, moralizing little prick.
End of discussion.
That is how it always goes with you dogmatically closed-minded relativists.
actually, peebrain, it went down like this:
inevitable: is there proof of god in this thread?
justin davis aka md: faggot has his ears plugged! read the thread!
md rawlings aka justin davis: listen faggot, i am the greatest logician of evaaaaaa! i dont ACTUALLY have to prove anything!
inevitable: whatever guys, you seem emotional, i just asked and you havent answered.
justin davis aka md plumber: fancy pants, go flame somewhere else faggot, you liar, you you you you.....fancy pants.
md rawlings aka justin plumber: calm down with the name calling justin, this faggot will get his due.
blah blah blah. you two/one are embarrassments to humanity.
that is about what it appeared to be from my point of view.
Shut up, Inevitable. You were told there was. You were given the evidence and the proof. You read nothing. Thought about nothing. Opened your mind to nothing. You even quoted the Bible . . . some utterly irrelevant passage, and then contradictorily thumbed your nose at Romans 1: 18 - 20 which utterly negates your foolish claims that there is no evidence or proof provided by God to humanity! You don't believe. You have no faith. You don't believe God or His word. You're sitting there behind your computer screen aligning yourself with an atheist who has shown himself to be a pathological liar and an avowed enemy of God and His truths . . . as you spurn the theist who points to the testimony of scripture and the universally apparent facts of human cognition regarding the problems of existence and origin which you never once directly addressed via the standards of academic discourse: demonstrated that you actually understand what you deny to be true with a coherent counterargument as to why these things aren't true!
What did you give us instead?
"Don't preach to me!"
"I don't want to discuss it!"
"Stop asking me questions!"
"Stop telling me things!"
Fingers struck in ears "La-la-la-la-la-la. I can't here you."
Mockery. Personal attacks. Derision. Moralisms.
You're a pathological lair just like GT. You're a phony. You know for fact that's the real truth of our encounter. I tried to share something with you, and you behaved like a smarmy, snot-nosed little prick. You don't really believe in God at all. The fact that you won't believe God and renounce homosexuality tells me that you don't really believe in God or His word.
Hi M.D. Rawlings I understand why you/we come across as false to each other.
We do the best we can despite this.
As for homosexuality, it is similar to how the Bible says some Eunuchs are made by God and some by Man (Matthew 19:12)
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King James Bible
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from
their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.
He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."
Since man is not psychic, and some people may start off one way or change to another and we don't know this,
some people set the standard to reject ALL such people as flawed and unnatural,
others give the "benefit of the doubt/innocent until proven otherwise" and count all such persons as
natural until proven unnatural; and some leave it open either way, and let people figure it out as part of their spiritual path.
MD if you are one of those people who draws the line at NO/Zero,
and I am one who says if we don't know, if it is a spiritual issue that God may know or some people may know,
then the govt cannot decide religiously for everyone and "assume" it is either all natural or all unnatural based on belief,
Then you and I have the right to our beliefs.
I respect yours and believe you hve the right to defend and practice it.
But not impose on others who believe otherwise, and vice versa where they cannot impose on you.
We need to use science to prove the process of spiritual healing
and show which people this has helped to change, but also show
cases where people did not change. They may have healed but may
not change in orientation - it depends on God.
I believe this karma comes from past relationship issues not resolved but passed down spiritually,
and the point is to bring out healing through FORGIVENESS and unconditional faith in God.
And let God do the healing and transformation that we cannot do.
No amount of rejection or judgment ever cured or healed anyone.
The healing and transformation I've seen and heard of happening
has always been through Forgiveness so this is the understanding of Christianity
I take, that this "Divine Forgiveness" or Grace in Christ is what does the transformation.
Ironically it usually happens when people agree to let go.
So as Inevitable pointed out, sometimes we have to let go for God's will to be done.
I respect him also for being as fair and openminded a person as I have found
still willing to defend his opinions while listening to others.
M.D. you miss out on the opportunity to work with others who WERE willing to
listen and work with you.
I am guessing you were not ready or too afraid of change.
So the natural human reaction is to build a wall and chase the other person away
who threatens to change your mindset.
Inevitable is not one to harass anyone and is not going to put up with that either.
I hope we can still focus on the science and research studies of spiritual healing
that also address conversion and reparation therapy for homosexual orientation.
Some people report healing and changing and some people heal without changing.
Similar with theism/atheism I have met many Buddhists and atheists/nontheists
who received the spiritual healing and still did not convert and become Christian in denomination.
Jewish people and Muslims also who receive the healing, receive and accept Christ and Christians
but do not convert to that faith. So we need to understand this process and quit trying to
tell God what to do or not to do with the outcome of spiritual healing that is in the hands of God or Nature
not us to dictate what degree of healing is going to manifest or not.
M.D. we can still focus on the science and do very well.
Similar to how you want to focus on TAG for some things,
TAG does not address how and which cases of sexual orientation are transformed by
spiritual healing. Science, research studies and statistics can show us patterns
so we can follow along and learn.
So I will still seek to set those up, and just sorry that you cannot see
the benefit in focusing there.
If your job is to say NO to that and focus on TAG that's your job.
I accept that, and will just work on these other team members on more effective ways and means.
You will have your hands full addressing church elders about
the Trinity and how to define God or names, etc.
the church elders will only listen to a man such as yourself
so we need to save your attention for that specific audience that needs you to unite them.
The Church of Christ accepts the Trinity but rejects spiritual healing.
The Jehovah's Witness reject the Trinity and also spiritual healing.
That will take a national effort to address these church elders so maybe your calling is in that vein.
The Muslims who recognize Buddhism or Constitutionalism as given by God
but the traditional ones only recognize Jewish and Christian and do not agree on Jesus,
is another huge effort that will require elders to address and not lay people.
So let's organize and find ways to focus your attention with Elders
who want to teach these concepts and points the right way
and need to form a consensus on that.
for G.T. Hollie Inevitable and others willing to look into the spiritual healing
and separate the fraud from the effective natural practices done voluntarily without harm,
we can focus there.
So it's all good, God has a purpose for each of us,
and makes us want to focus there. Thanks M.D.
and I look forward to working with you to find your flock.
If we all flock together in groups, we can do more good in teams
and not waste time arguing about things that are not our jobs.
Thank you and I will email you about how to address
the heads of various denominations to come to consensus on the Trinity.
Yours truly,
Emily
As for your 7 points, or 25 questions,
I have these 3 I find universal though expressed differently in different systems of laws
1. To love God with all our hearts minds and souls
Christianity focused on the heart, Buddhism on the mind,
and Constitutionalism on the due process free speech/press
free exercise of religion or free will and right to assemble and petition
in order to reconcile heart and mind in agreement on truth.
I don't know about you, but I need all three in order to resolve grievances.
In order to reconcile heart mind and soul, mind body and spirit, etc.
2. to love our neighbors as ourselves
as we forgive ourselves and others equally we can receive wisdom and insights
to make corrections mutually but it has to be as equal peers in Christ
adversarial combat does not allow corrections and agreements to go through
and this is where the new commandment comes in to join and fulfill the other two
3. that we love (and forgive) one another as Christ Jesus loves us with unconditional
grace. we ask and we receive. but if we do not forgive first there is no room to receive
the blessings corrections and healings of the wrong if we refuse to let go of these and make room.
So we don't just project our own conflicts and unforgiveness inside ourselves
onto our neighbors, jab for jab, thinking that is loving or hating each other as equals.
As believers we are called to be Christlike to forgive first and let God guide us in the corrections after.
so this takes Christian faith in healing, to let go first, forgive in order to receive second.
MD as you can see our secularminded friends like Hollie and Boss
want to see corrections first before they forgive, but the higher laws
and spiritual process involve forgiving first and then receiving corrections second.
So the trinity is fulfilled with these Three Commandments
one for each level, for love of God for love of humanity
and for love of Christ for Justice and Conscience that
joins the love or laws of God with the laws of love of humanity as one.
this is the content behind the Trinity that we need to understand
even if we express it differently. we must be one in heart and mind
to receive the full understanding, and this is what it means to be joined in Christ.
So all things that prevent us from joining are being removed by forgiveness
and healing. we have only to ask and we receive. to demonstrate to others
how it works and more people will feel safe to try forgiving first and seeing that it changes things second.
thanks MD
I believe you may be one to address the Pharisees
the heads of JW and Church of Christ who believe in one God
and do not want division or confusion either. I pray God guides
you and us to the right people, the right connections to bring
about unity in Christ in fulfilllment of the plans and purpose we carry.
Thank you in Jesus name Amen
