Is there any USMB member who believes all deported Tren de Aragua members be returned to the US?

[Kondor3]

Judges aren’t being presidents. They’re doing what they’ve always done.

Indeed.

So far, judges have not tried to stipulate the quality and timing of Due Process in this context.

If they ever do, then they will, in all likelihood, be ignored.

"Mister Marshall has made his decision. Now, let him enforce it." (apocryphally attributed to President Andrew Jackson )

There is a reason why a portrait of President Andrew Jackson hangs in Trump's Oval Office.

It’s the executive that’s turned to authoritarian rule.

Perhaps, in some respects, and, where (and if) true, then, the Judiciary will execute its designed function.

But that is irrelevant to the point that the Executive decides upon the quality and timing of Due Process in this context.

 

[konradv]

Indeed.

So far, judges have not tried to stipulate the quality and timing of Due Process in this context.

If they ever do, then they will, in all likelihood, be ignored.

"Mister Marshall has made his decision. Now, let him enforce it." (apocryphally attributed to President Andrew Jackson )

There is a reason why a portrait of President Andrew Jackson hangs in Trump's Oval Office.


Perhaps, in some respects, and, where (and if) true, then, the Judiciary will execute its designed function.

But that is irrelevant to the point that the Executive decides upon the quality and timing of Due Process in this context.

No, the president does not get to make that determination in our constitutional republic.

 

[Kondor3]

No, the president does not get to make that determination in our constitutional republic.

Disagree.

The Judiciary gets to "make the call" on whether or not "Due Process" must be applied in a given situation.

The Executive gets to "make the call" on the Quality and Timing of "Due Process" sufficient to meet minimum Due Process standards.

If you believe otherwise than you a deluding yourself, as current events are already demonstrating for you.

 

[konradv]

Disagree.

The Judiciary gets to "make the call" on whether or not "Due Process" must be applied in a given situation.

The Executive gets to "make the call" on the Quality and Timing of "Due Process" sufficient to meet minimum Due Process standards.

If you believe otherwise than you a deluding yourself, as current events are already demonstrating for you.

I don’t feel I’m deluded in thinking the administration is fascist.

 

[Kondor3]

I don’t feel I’m deluded in thinking the administration is fascist.

Be that as it may...

It doesn't change the fact that the Executive may define Quality and Timing of Due Process while complying with The Law.

 

[konradv]

Be that as it may...

It doesn't change the fact that the Executive may define Quality and Timing of Due Process while complying with The Law.

No he may not.

 

[Kondor3]

No he may not.

Can too.

Can not.

Can too.

Can not.

Can too.

There is nothing further to be gained by continuing to participate in an endless round of mindless Automatic Gainsay.

One need look no further than the continued expedited mass deportation operations underway to understand the Reality.

 

[konradv]

Can too.

Can not.

Can too.

Can not.

Can too.

There is nothing further to be gained by continuing to participate in an endless round of mindless Automatic Gainsay.

One need look no further than the continued expedited mass deportation operations underway to understand the Reality.

SCOTUS says NO, 9-0!

 

[skye]

Deport them all what the heck!

 

[konradv]

Deport them all what the heck!

Fascist!

 

[beagle9]

SCOTUS says NO, 9-0!

They didn't say No. They said due process is best, but that will depend on the circumstances and the crimes involved of the individual in question.

 

[Leo123]

All deportees deserve hearings with counsel present.

That's impossible, there are millions of illegals are asylum seekers. They'll be able to stay in the U.S. for years and most will just disappear.

 

[Kondor3]

That's impossible, there are millions of illegals are asylum seekers. They'll be able to stay in the U.S. for years and most will just disappear.

Simple and Expedited Solution:

1. State Dept conjures a list of countries from whom Asylum may be claimed
2. Those from one of the asylum-approved countries may stay long enough to have their claims examined individually
3. Those from non-asylum-approved countries may not claim asylum and any previous application for same is void

Very few countries will be on the asylum-approved list.

No exceptions.

Millions abused the Asylum process when coming here.

Virtually none are ever approved.

There's no point in dragging this out nor allowing out-of-power LibTards to slow-down Mass Deportation efforts.

As to "just disappearing"... bounties and call centers and bounty hunters should take care of that.

There... all fixed.

 

[Leo123]

Simple and Expedited Solution:

1. State Dept conjures a list of countries from whom Asylum may be claimed
2. Those from one of the asylum-approved countries may stay long enough to have their claims examined individually
3. Those from non-asylum-approved countries may not claim asylum and any previous application for same is void

Very few countries will be on the asylum-approved list.

No exceptions.

Millions abused the Asylum process when coming here.

Virtually none are ever approved.

There's no point in dragging this out nor allowing out-of-power LibTards to slow-down Mass Deportation efforts.

There... all fixed.

That would probably require Congress to pass legislation to that effect. Today, anyone can claim asylum for most any reason. Immigrants are given scripts as to what to say to claim asylum when they get here. I agree, we need to close the asylum loophole but, the biggest problem in the past 4 years were the millions coming over our unguarded border. They are still here and we don't really know who or where they are, there is just too many.

 

[Rawley]

You're right about counsel.

Nope

 

[beagle9]

That's impossible, there are millions of illegals are asylum seekers. They'll be able to stay in the U.S. for years and most will just disappear.

Biden and the Democrats pulling the stunt that they pulled on that border, uhhhh should have them in front of a tribunal for their crimes right along with the illegal gang member's. I mean what's the difference ????

 

[Rawley]

That's impossible, there are millions of illegals are asylum seekers. They'll be able to stay in the U.S. for years and most will just disappear.

No requirement that they have to be in the country while they wait for their hearing.

 

[Leo123]

No requirement that they have to be in the country while they wait for their hearing.

Good, they can go to El Salvador or Mexico or anywhere they want and wait 10 years for their hearing. We really don't even know who these people are or where they are anyway there are too many, thanks to Biden.

 

[Kondor3]

That would probably require Congress to pass legislation to that effect.

"Probably" does not mean "certainly".

The Executive Branch ALREADY has decision-making powers regarding the granting or denial of asylum.

Immigration Courts (and Immigration) judges are part of the US Dept of Justice, part of the Executive Branch.

What I am proposing ( List of Asylum -Eligible Countries ) is merely a logical and legal use of that very power.

Consequently, I'm reasonably certain that the Executive branch does, indeed, have the power to use such a list.

I do not believe that Congress need bother itself over that one.

Today, anyone can claim asylum for most any reason.

Oh, they can make the claim, alright, but that List of Asylum -Eligible Countries will cull the herd to a fraction of its current size.

Immigrants are given scripts as to what to say to claim asylum when they get here. I agree, we need to close the asylum loophole but, the biggest problem in the past 4 years were the millions coming over our unguarded border. They are still here and we don't really know who or where they are, there is just too many.

Making them Register then (metaphorically, in the law courts) crucifying them for non-compliance, will help fix that, given that huge fines and seizure of assets follows.

Spanking employers who hire them is a useful next step, and that's already beginning to happen, finally.

 

[Leo123]

"Probably" does not mean "certainly".

The Executive Branch ALREADY has decision-making powers regarding the granting or denial of asylum.

Immigration Courts (and Immigration) judges are part of the US Dept of Justice, part of the Executive Branch.

What I am proposing ( List of Asylum -Eligible Countries ) is merely a logical and legal use of that very power.

Consequently, I'm reasonably certain that the Executive branch does, indeed, have the power to use such a list.

I do not believe that Congress need bother itself over that one.


Oh, they can make the claim, alright, but that List of Asylum -Eligible Countries will cull the herd to a fraction of its current size.


Making them Register then (metaphorically, in the law courts) crucifying them for non-compliance, will help fix that, given that huge fines and seizure of assets follows.

Spanking employers who hire them is a useful next step, and that's already beginning to happen, finally.

I mostly agree but, with millions flooding our border, we cannot process all of them or find out where they come from or if they're lying.

I propose setting up registration (post offices, etc.) places. When they register (give name, address, country of origin, real living address, etc.) then, they get a card that they have to carry while they wait for 'due process.' If they are stopped by law enforcement for anything and don't have a card, immediate deportation, no questions asked.