Is there a Scientific Theory to explain Climate Change?

[jc456]

They know exactly how a hurricane starts. No they can't replicate a hurricane just like you cannot be born but once. Just because they cannot replicate JC456 does not mean that they can replicate a smarter one.

How does CO2 make them more intense?

 

[Kilroy2]

Just as I said!

C02 which is a greenhouse gas levels, have risen over the years

 

[jc456]

C02 which is a greenhouse gas levels, have risen over the years

Yep, no argument. Why does it bother you?

 

[Kilroy2]

Yep, no argument. Why does it bother you?

CO2 levels rising and you agree with that assessment.

 

[jc456]

CO2 levels rising and you agree with that assessment.

Sure! Now why does it bother you?

 

[Crick]

Sure! Now why does it bother you?

He doesn't look bothered to me.

 

[ReinyDays]

"Climate change" is New Speak for global warming ... and as in Orwell's 1984, this is to instill fear into the population where there's nothing to fear ... perhaps the children reading this might relate to Mockingjay better ...

jc456 asked the right question way back on page 1 ... define "climate change" ... does this mean it will start raining in California during summers? ... will hurricanes be making landfall on Antarctica? ... if pressure, humidity, wind speed and direction, and rainfall rates and timing are all the same; temperatures are ONE DEGREE higher; then climate is exactly the same ... and not changing ...

There's no theory if we can't define our terms ...

Yeah .. those who say climate changes all the time are wrong ... if we take our ten-million-year average, next week's weather won't change that ... we have to wait another ten million years ... wait until the Atlantic Ocean is wider ... climate will change a little on 100-million-year time scales, that's not enough seconds to delivery enough energy at 1.8 W/m^2 ... do the math yourself ...

 

[Crick]

"Climate change" is New Speak for global warming ... and as in Orwell's 1984, this is to instill fear into the population where there's nothing to fear ... perhaps the children reading this might relate to Mockingjay better ...

jc456 asked the right question way back on page 1 ... define "climate change" ... does this mean it will start raining in California during summers? ... will hurricanes be making landfall on Antarctica? ... if pressure, humidity, wind speed and direction, and rainfall rates and timing are all the same; temperatures are ONE DEGREE higher; then climate is exactly the same ... and not changing ...

There's no theory if we can't define our terms ...

Yeah .. those who say climate changes all the time are wrong ... if we take our ten-million-year average, next week's weather won't change that ... we have to wait another ten million years ... wait until the Atlantic Ocean is wider ... climate will change a little on 100-million-year time scales, that's not enough seconds to delivery enough energy at 1.8 W/m^2 ... do the math yourself ...

Climate change refers to long-term shifts in temperatures and weather patterns. These shifts may be natural, such as through variations in the solar cycle.

UN

Climate change describes a change in the average conditions — such as temperature and rainfall — in a region over a long period of time. NASA scientists have observed Earth’s surface is warming, and many of the warmest years on record have happened in the past 20 years.

NASA - short answer

Weather describes the conditions outside right now in a specific place. For example, if you see that it’s raining outside right now, that’s a way to describe today’s weather. Rain, snow, wind, hurricanes, tornadoes — these are all weather events.

Climate, on the other hand, is more than just one or two rainy days. Climate describes the weather conditions that are expected in a region at a particular time of year.

Is it usually rainy or usually dry? Is it typically hot or typically cold? A region’s climate is determined by observing its weather over a period of many years—generally 30 years or more.

So, for example, one or two weeks of rainy weather wouldn’t change the fact that Phoenix typically has a dry, desert climate. Even though it’s rainy right now, we still expect Phoenix to be dry because that's what is usually the case.

Want to know more about the difference between weather and climate? Take a look at this video!

What Is Climate Change?​

Alaska's Muir glacier in August 1941 and August 2004. Significant changes occurred in the 63 years between these two photos. Credit: USGS
Climate change describes a change in the average conditions — such as temperature and rainfall — in a region over a long period of time. For example, 20,000 years ago, much of the United States was covered in glaciers. In the United States today, we have a warmer climate and fewer glaciers.

Global climate change refers to the average long-term changes over the entire Earth. These include warming temperatures and changes in precipitation, as well as the effects of Earth’s warming, such as:

• Rising sea levels
• Shrinking mountain glaciers
• Ice melting at a faster rate than usual in Greenland, Antarctica and the Arctic
• Changes in flower and plant blooming times.

Earth’s climate has constantly been changing — even long before humans came into the picture. However, scientists have observed unusual changes recently. For example, Earth’s average temperature has been increasing much more quickly than they would expect over the past 150 years.

NASA - Longer Answer

I searched specifically for how to differentiate weather and climate and never got better than weather covers a short period of time and climate a long period of time. Personally - I like to use 3 months, year on year: "How do these three months compare to the same three months last year and the year before and the decade before and the century before, etc."

 

[ReinyDays]

Climate change refers to long-term shifts in temperatures and weather patterns. These shifts may be natural, such as through variations in the solar cycle.

UN

Climate change describes a change in the average conditions — such as temperature and rainfall — in a region over a long period of time. NASA scientists have observed Earth’s surface is warming, and many of the warmest years on record have happened in the past 20 years.

NASA - short answer

Weather describes the conditions outside right now in a specific place. For example, if you see that it’s raining outside right now, that’s a way to describe today’s weather. Rain, snow, wind, hurricanes, tornadoes — these are all weather events.

Climate, on the other hand, is more than just one or two rainy days. Climate describes the weather conditions that are expected in a region at a particular time of year.

Is it usually rainy or usually dry? Is it typically hot or typically cold? A region’s climate is determined by observing its weather over a period of many years—generally 30 years or more.

So, for example, one or two weeks of rainy weather wouldn’t change the fact that Phoenix typically has a dry, desert climate. Even though it’s rainy right now, we still expect Phoenix to be dry because that's what is usually the case.

Want to know more about the difference between weather and climate? Take a look at this video!

What Is Climate Change?​

Alaska's Muir glacier in August 1941 and August 2004. Significant changes occurred in the 63 years between these two photos. Credit: USGS
Climate change describes a change in the average conditions — such as temperature and rainfall — in a region over a long period of time. For example, 20,000 years ago, much of the United States was covered in glaciers. In the United States today, we have a warmer climate and fewer glaciers.

Global climate change refers to the average long-term changes over the entire Earth. These include warming temperatures and changes in precipitation, as well as the effects of Earth’s warming, such as:

• Rising sea levels
• Shrinking mountain glaciers
• Ice melting at a faster rate than usual in Greenland, Antarctica and the Arctic
• Changes in flower and plant blooming times.

Earth’s climate has constantly been changing — even long before humans came into the picture. However, scientists have observed unusual changes recently. For example, Earth’s average temperature has been increasing much more quickly than they would expect over the past 150 years.

NASA - Longer Answer

I searched specifically for how to differentiate weather and climate and never got better than weather covers a short period of time and climate a long period of time. Personally - I like to use 3 months, year on year: "How do these three months compare to the same three months last year and the year before and the decade before and the century before, etc."

Let's see your math ... you claim the first derivative is positive ... let's see how, and what, function you're using ... d/dt (climate) = what? ...

HA HA HA HA HA ... start by defining "change" stupid motherfucker ...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Global Warming had a CO2/Hockey Stick argument to support its proposition, but its successor, Climate Change, doesn't seem to have any scientific argument to explain a cause/effect relationship. Instead, it has devolved into a constantly changing series of social/political theories which do not even purport to be connected to physical weather events. Is there any scientific theory to explain why current Climate Change is different from past Climate Change?

Plymouth Rock

Proudly denying Climate Change since 1620

 

[jc456]

He doesn't look bothered to me.

So since you're answering for him, then why is he here arguing against an increase in CO2?

 

[jc456]

Rising sea levels

Plymouth Rock

Proudly denying Climate Change since 1620

 

[Kilroy2]

Sure! Now why does it bother you?

Video: Climate Spiral (1880-2022) - NASA Science

The visualization shows monthly global temperature anomalies (changes from an average) between the years 1880 and 2022.

climate.nasa.gov

Now I just trust the scientist at NASA to be able to make that determination instead of right wing propaganda by the comrades in denial.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Video: Climate Spiral (1880-2022) - NASA Science

The visualization shows monthly global temperature anomalies (changes from an average) between the years 1880 and 2022.

climate.nasa.gov

Now I just trust the scientist at NASA to be able to make that determination instead of right wing propaganda by the comrades in denial.

LOL, another red herring constructs since no one here disputes that it has been warming for around 320 years now, the dispute is over the AGW conjecture claims which has long failed since CO2 by itself hardly adds any more postulated warm forcing increase from 280 ppm to about 435 ppm of today.

It is the failure of the Positive Feedback Loop that has failed to show up is why the conjecture is failed.

 

[Kilroy2]

LOL, another red herring constructs since no one here disputes that it has been warming for around 320 years now, the dispute is over the AGW conjecture claims which has long failed since CO2 by itself hardly adds any more postulated warm forcing increase from 280 ppm to about 435 ppm of today.

It is the failure of the Positive Feedback Loop that has failed to show up is why the conjecture is failed.

Ocean warming is identified as a positive feedback loop

 

[Sunsettommy]

Ocean warming is identified as a positive feedback loop

LOL you have no idea what the Positive Feedback Loop is about and it hasn't showed up.

The Sun is the DOMINANT source of energy to the planet and the waters.

 

[jc456]

Video: Climate Spiral (1880-2022) - NASA Science

The visualization shows monthly global temperature anomalies (changes from an average) between the years 1880 and 2022.

climate.nasa.gov

Now I just trust the scientist at NASA to be able to make that determination instead of right wing propaganda by the comrades in denial.

and what? 2 degree average? What does that do in your world? LOL, catastrophic........................hahahahahahahahaahahahaahaha

 

[Kilroy2]

LOL you have no idea what the Positive Feedback Loop is about and it hasn't showed up.

The Sun is the DOMINANT source of energy to the planet and the waters.

Feedback loop is nothing more than cause and effect of a system that depends on all its components.

Since this is about CO2 then lets see how CO2 levels fits into this picture

Okay we know that the atmosphere has CO2 levels. Burning of fossil fuels increase that level as items that are in the earth are there to stay unless man digs it up (fossil fuels) and releases it into the atmosphere.

In global climate change feedback is either positive when temperature rises are accelerated or negative when temperature is slowed. Ocean warming is considered a positive feedback as it is a system that interacts with the atmosphere.

Atmosphere has higher levels of CO2 because of man and his actions (burning fossil fuel that was buried in the earth). Water absorbs CO2 from the atmosphere that increased it level of CO2. Yes there are other sources. In the atmosphere the increase levels of CO2 increase warming in the atmosphere. One would expect that it would do the same with water. Now follow closely. Water is absorbing CO2 but as water warms it then becomes unable to absorb CO2 from the atmosphere. The loop is broken. Thus the levels remain high in the atmosphere as one source where it can be used is no longer viable. Absorption of CO2 from the atmosphere to water become stagnant. To much CO2 in the oceans/seas caused water to no longer be able to absorb CO2. The loop is closed and the interacting ceases. Carbon uptake is nil. Thus CO2 levels in the atmosphere remain high. Which is the leading cause of global warming. This is a positive feedback loop as changes (CO2 levels in atmosphere and water) because the effect of the change and the instability it causes. CO2 can no longer be absorbed.

It goes back to man and his dumping of CO2 levels in the atmosphere and now we see how it affects the oceans.

Oceans are losing their effectiveness in absorbing CO2.. to much is not a good thing for water.


A negative feedback loop reduces the effect of change and helps maintain balance. A positive feedback loop increases the effect of the change and produces instability.

The Ocean’s Carbon Balance

The amount of carbon dioxide that the ocean can take from the atmosphere is controlled by both natural cycles and human activity.

earthobservatory.nasa.gov

 

[jc456]

Okay we know that the atmosphere has CO2 levels. Burning of fossil fuels increase that level as items that are in the earth are there to stay unless man digs it up (fossil fuels) and releases it into the atmosphere

Burning fossil fuels huh?

What evidence you got?

 

[Sunsettommy]

Feedback loop is nothing more than cause and effect of a system that depends on all its components.

Since this is about CO2 then lets see how CO2 levels fits into this picture

Okay we know that the atmosphere has CO2 levels. Burning of fossil fuels increase that level as items that are in the earth are there to stay unless man digs it up (fossil fuels) and releases it into the atmosphere.

In global climate change feedback is either positive when temperature rises are accelerated or negative when temperature is slowed. Ocean warming is considered a positive feedback as it is a system that interacts with the atmosphere.

Atmosphere has higher levels of CO2 because of man and his actions (burning fossil fuel that was buried in the earth). Water absorbs CO2 from the atmosphere that increased it level of CO2. Yes there are other sources. In the atmosphere the increase levels of CO2 increase warming in the atmosphere. One would expect that it would do the same with water. Now follow closely. Water is absorbing CO2 but as water warms it then becomes unable to absorb CO2 from the atmosphere. The loop is broken. Thus the levels remain high in the atmosphere as one source where it can be used is no longer viable. Absorption of CO2 from the atmosphere to water become stagnant. To much CO2 in the oceans/seas caused water to no longer be able to absorb CO2. The loop is closed and the interacting ceases. Carbon uptake is nil. Thus CO2 levels in the atmosphere remain high. Which is the leading cause of global warming. This is a positive feedback loop as changes (CO2 levels in atmosphere and water) because the effect of the change and the instability it causes. CO2 can no longer be absorbed.

It goes back to man and his dumping of CO2 levels in the atmosphere and now we see how it affects the oceans.

Oceans are losing their effectiveness in absorbing CO2.. to much is not a good thing for water.


A negative feedback loop reduces the effect of change and helps maintain balance. A positive feedback loop increases the effect of the change and produces instability.

The Ocean’s Carbon Balance

The amount of carbon dioxide that the ocean can take from the atmosphere is controlled by both natural cycles and human activity.

earthobservatory.nasa.gov

Another warmist/alarmist who fails to understand the difference between Positive Feedback Loop (AGW conjecture) and Positive Feedback (Basic science understanding)



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