CDZ Is the US Government prepared to declare war on it's own citizens?

[Teddy Pollins]

Just food for thinking...
Removal of the Bill of Rights when war is on US soil? PROTECT IP, SOPA, PIPA censoring the internet? Military capable of acting as a national police force? Attempting to squash free speech of the OWS movement? How the hell is this happening in the United States of America?
This frightens me deeply.
It is going to be a real military clashes.

 

[prison/con.net]

the US military lacks the manpower and funding to do jack squat vs the US citizens. We aint a bunch of ignorant, poverty striken peasants. Such people as us make it very hard to control us in any way, really. We have ATV's, off road bikes, ultralight planes, sail and power boats, satellite phones, laptops, generators, guns, silencers, poison, explosives, incendiaries, night vision goggles, gold coins, camping gear, all sorts of stuff that let us evade/resist any sort of Big brother control of us.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Is the US Government prepared to declare war on it's own citizens?"

One cannot expect 'clean debate' when the premise of his thread fails as a ridiculous loaded question fallacy.

 

[gtopa1]

Over 14 million registered hunters...aim as good as most military marksmen..in the USA. There is NOT going to be a problem.

http://wsfrprograms.fws.gov/Subpages/LicenseInfo/HuntingLicCertHistory20042013.pdf

Greg

 

[S.J.]

In answer to the OP...Not yet, but they're working on it.

 

[konradv]

The military ARE citizens, not some sort of mercenary force, so the question fails on the face of it.

 

[rightwinger]

the US military lacks the manpower and funding to do jack squat vs the US citizens. We aint a bunch of ignorant, poverty striken peasants. Such people as us make it very hard to control us in any way, really. We have ATV's, off road bikes, ultralight planes, sail and power boats, satellite phones, laptops, generators, guns, silencers, poison, explosives, incendiaries, night vision goggles, gold coins, camping gear, all sorts of stuff that let us evade/resist any sort of Big brother control of us.

The fantasies of gun nuts

 

[rightwinger]

Over 14 million registered hunters...aim as good as most military marksmen..in the USA. There is NOT going to be a problem.

http://wsfrprograms.fws.gov/Subpages/LicenseInfo/HuntingLicCertHistory20042013.pdf

Greg

That there military better not mess with me......I got my trusty hunting rifle and am not afraid to use it

 

[prison/con.net]

if all we had was boobs like you, we'd have no chance. However, we DO have people who know to use poison, fire, explosives to wreck the economy. No tax base, the $ becomes toilet paper. When Big Bro can't pay his thugs, then he won't HAVE any thugs.

 

[rightwinger]

if all we had was boobs like you, we'd have no chance. However, we DO have people who know to use poison, fire, explosives to wreck the economy. No tax base, the $ becomes toilet paper. When Big Bro can't pay his thugs, then he won't HAVE any thugs.

Obama fears the redneck army

 

[Dune]

if all we had was boobs like you, we'd have no chance. However, we DO have people who know to use poison, fire, explosives to wreck the economy. No tax base, the $ becomes toilet paper. When Big Bro can't pay his thugs, then he won't HAVE any thugs.

You don't understand fiat currency do you?

 

[Josf]

There must be a reason why people so often resort to deception as a means of censoring communication.

There have been many cases where criminals posing as the government were very busy perpetrating very serious crimes on innocent people.

Most recently there are 3 worthy of note in reference to this topic.

1. Waco massacre of over 80 people, first systematically tortured, and then burned alive.
2. 911
3. Bundy Ranch Stand-off

Regardless of how inspired the trolls are to read the above and then jerk their knees followed by unclean (false) debate in the form of name calling and deception, regardless of that eventuality, the timeline of those events listed lead to today as a question of which side will dominate in our future; and the future of posterity.

There was a trial concerning the victims of the Waco massacre who were not burned alive after systematic torture, and in that kangaroo court the facts found by the jury were such that it is now public record. The counterfeit judge, on the other hand, over RULED the jury (a crime according to common law) and sent the victims of the torture and massacre to the American version of the Gulag.

Outrage over the Waco massacre fueled a movement that became known as the Militia Movement. So Waco serves as a landmark case that clearly demonstrates the two sides as 1 side are the victims who are the defenders, and side 2 which are the aggressors whose demonstrations of aggressive war upon anyone, including the people who live in American states, count as body counts: babies burned alive after torture, and other people less innocent.

Then 911 happens as another case of a highly advertised event where the two sides meet. The innocent people in the buildings are murdered and the criminals who murder them get away without any defender anywhere managing to accuse any of the perpetrators lawfully which would then set in motion a trial by jury according to the common law, which is clearly expressed in the Bill of Rights. No trial, no fact finding, no established guilty verdict, and the perpetrators on Side 2 get away with capital murder, and a lot of stolen loot.

Case three exemplifies what happens when people on Side 1 realize that there is no law in place and in time to defend the next group of people targeted by the criminals on Side 2; there is no law unless good people volunteer to do their duty as expressed in the declaration of independence.

So...fire away with the insults and while you are at it, the next three lesser known examples of American history where people on Side 1 are destroyed by people on Side 2, go ahead and ignore these well known facts too:

1. How Side 2 deals with the high cost of paying the cannon fodder:
The Sad Tale of the Bonus Marchers

2. How Side 1 deals with Side 2 effectively defending rule of law:
The Battle of Athens Tennessee

3. How Side 2 effectively delays (nullifies) rule of law:
http://www.thekingcenter.org/sites/default/files/KING FAMILY TRIAL TRANSCRIPT.pdf

The most likely areas where the most aggressive destruction will continue to be perpetrated by Side 2 on Side 1 are the least productive cities where people are held in ghettos.

 

[Christophera]

Just food for thinking...
Removal of the Bill of Rights when war is on US soil? PROTECT IP, SOPA, PIPA censoring the internet? Military capable of acting as a national police force? Attempting to squash free speech of the OWS movement? How the hell is this happening in the United States of America?
This frightens me deeply.
It is going to be a real military clashes.

Teddy, things are changing.

Americans are wising up to the infiltrations and such false movements as OWS are exposed as their financiers are implicated in other protests with unsavory intent.

The first infiltrations of real scope were effected after the civil war, then culminated with the act of 1871.

And yes, it has been war on the people ever since then with the Lieber code,

Avalon Project - General Orders No. 100 The Lieber Code

manifesting slowly through the promulgation of unconstitutional law, courts and collusion with corporations unjustly given individual rights.

I was on the OWS forum, and found a collusive batch of posters there trying to associate with me with ALEC who I did not even know existed at the time. After researching ALEC I realized they were likely and NWO front and made a petition, much like this one.

Petition Discuss and agree with then accept prime intentions of the U.S. Constitution Change.org

Whereupon the posters at OWS promptly misrepresented my position relating to revolution, trying to say I advocated a violent one, and colluded to poison the gathering of signatures there.

I recognized a couple of them from a forum back in 2005 called "The signs of the times" (SOTT). An admin bold enough to use the same user name, "jart" and a woman calling herself "girl friday". I believe who was Laura Jadzyk Knight, who was at SOTT.

Laura Knight-Jadczyk whats wrong with her

There are career cognitive infiltrations working to foul Americans agreement and effectiveness at unifying in a lawful and peaceful revolution.

OWS refused to support the constitution which provided the right of free speech and assembly they used. And, in the end it was rather an abuse. It realistically seemed to be a trigger law enforcement used to escalate their abuses. Suddenly dealing with any group of Americans assembling became a reason to put on rubber gloves.

Not one of them would carry the idea of using Article V to the general assembly, and the notion that preparatory amendment for Article V would protect American uses of Article V to alter or abolish was something they refused to discuss. Of course they had no plan of their own and were mostly invested in a fantasy of anarchism or socialism.

Americans are waking up to the power of the their agreement upon pure, prime constitutional intent and how to use it upon officials to purify their ranks from the state level upwards. Two other threads define strategy and specifics that appear to be working one way or another.

CDZ - A Lawful And Peaceful Revolution US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Freedom of Speech Has An Ultimate Legal Constitutional Purpose US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

If nothing else they serve as simple tools for exposing covert infiltrations into these forums working to confuse, distract and mislead Americans into endless focus on problems or nonsensical, complex legalese useless for protecting rights and freedoms.

 

[xdangerousxdavex]

This war was declared long years ago...

 

[rightwinger]

There must be a reason why people so often resort to deception as a means of censoring communication.

There have been many cases where criminals posing as the government were very busy perpetrating very serious crimes on innocent people.

Most recently there are 3 worthy of note in reference to this topic.

1. Waco massacre of over 80 people, first systematically tortured, and then burned alive.
2. 911
3. Bundy Ranch Stand-off

Regardless of how inspired the trolls are to read the above and then jerk their knees followed by unclean (false) debate in the form of name calling and deception, regardless of that eventuality, the timeline of those events listed lead to today as a question of which side will dominate in our future; and the future of posterity.

There was a trial concerning the victims of the Waco massacre who were not burned alive after systematic torture, and in that kangaroo court the facts found by the jury were such that it is now public record. The counterfeit judge, on the other hand, over RULED the jury (a crime according to common law) and sent the victims of the torture and massacre to the American version of the Gulag.

Outrage over the Waco massacre fueled a movement that became known as the Militia Movement. So Waco serves as a landmark case that clearly demonstrates the two sides as 1 side are the victims who are the defenders, and side 2 which are the aggressors whose demonstrations of aggressive war upon anyone, including the people who live in American states, count as body counts: babies burned alive after torture, and other people less innocent.

Then 911 happens as another case of a highly advertised event where the two sides meet. The innocent people in the buildings are murdered and the criminals who murder them get away without any defender anywhere managing to accuse any of the perpetrators lawfully which would then set in motion a trial by jury according to the common law, which is clearly expressed in the Bill of Rights. No trial, no fact finding, no established guilty verdict, and the perpetrators on Side 2 get away with capital murder, and a lot of stolen loot.

Case three exemplifies what happens when people on Side 1 realize that there is no law in place and in time to defend the next group of people targeted by the criminals on Side 2; there is no law unless good people volunteer to do their duty as expressed in the declaration of independence.

So...fire away with the insults and while you are at it, the next three lesser known examples of American history where people on Side 1 are destroyed by people on Side 2, go ahead and ignore these well known facts too:

1. How Side 2 deals with the high cost of paying the cannon fodder:
The Sad Tale of the Bonus Marchers

2. How Side 1 deals with Side 2 effectively defending rule of law:
The Battle of Athens Tennessee

3. How Side 2 effectively delays (nullifies) rule of law:
http://www.thekingcenter.org/sites/default/files/KING FAMILY TRIAL TRANSCRIPT.pdf

The most likely areas where the most aggressive destruction will continue to be perpetrated by Side 2 on Side 1 are the least productive cities where people are held in ghettos.

Waco was created by a child moles tot who murdered federal agents and then set fires that killed women and children

 

[prison/con.net]

it doesn't matter if we are feared. What matters is that we can WIN. you're a fucking idiot about waco. The FEDS were pouring fire into the civilian buildings, when NOBODY shot at them first. And the FEDS are the ones who pumped the place full of propane and CS, KNOWING that there were children in there, and KNOWING that no gas masks existed which fit kids.

 

[Josf]

Had rule of law been employed the initial claim of failure to pay a tax on a firearm would not have been lawfully enforceable and all the time and effort consumed in court costs by the accused defendant would have been a liability charged to an individual (or conspirators) and/or their Bonding agency for the frivolous claim that someone can extort money from free people for exercising their capacity to defend themselves with arms.

Since rule of law was not employed the criminals went ahead and perpetrated mass systematic torture, experimentation on human beings, and mass murder, including burning babies alive in the church.

People who openly support those criminals are treasonous people perpetrating treason with malice aforethought or just ignorant people failing to know better. How would anyone find the truth if rule of law were employed?

 

[rightwinger]

Had rule of law been employed the initial claim of failure to pay a tax on a firearm would not have been lawfully enforceable and all the time and effort consumed in court costs by the accused defendant would have been a liability charged to an individual (or conspirators) and/or their Bonding agency for the frivolous claim that someone can extort money from free people for exercising their capacity to defend themselves with arms.

Since rule of law was not employed the criminals went ahead and perpetrated mass systematic torture, experimentation on human beings, and mass murder, including burning babies alive in the church.

People who openly support those criminals are treasonous people perpetrating treason with malice aforethought or just ignorant people failing to know better. How would anyone find the truth if rule of law were employed?

The law was not employed after Koresh had four US agents murdered

After that, his previous firearms infractions were irrelevant

 

[rightwinger]

it doesn't matter if we are feared. What matters is that we can WIN. you're a fucking idiot about waco. The FEDS were pouring fire into the civilian buildings, when NOBODY shot at them first. And the FEDS are the ones who pumped the place full of propane and CS, KNOWING that there were children in there, and KNOWING that no gas masks existed which fit kids.

Wasn't that sophisticated

Koresh poured gasoline in three separate areas and lit it

As the Feds begged him to let the children out of a burning building, Koresh had them shot

That is the man you worship

 

[Josf]

The lawful process concerning an alleged failure to pay an extortion fee on a firearm is to turn your self in as a traitor and confess that you are an extortion payment collector trying to hide under the color of law.



Claims of worship where no such worship is evident are false claims, so frauds confess willingly at least on that count.